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    Interesting information can be gathered from this image. Note: the person who took this image took it from a standing position..aiming forward, just next to the mizzen mast. Notice the extreme sheere in the deck moving forward. Validating that at least 7ft was her sheere. If it can be agreed upon from this image. Second: Closeup and notice the curve of the prow, begins at the edge of the forecastle...if the forecastle length can be derived then the curve of the bow can be calculated, since we know the length of the hull to the knighthead. Also...in every image of her bowsprit....it is clear her monkey rail concluded where the rail touches the sprit. So duducing this,we can gather that the forward curve of the return rail is minimal at best. the width of the bowsprit itself. Rob
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    Vladimir....thank you for applying your computer drafting skills to aid in bringing Glory alive 3 dimensionally. I can't wait till we have some rock solid plans. Your beginnings are coming along nicely, though I think the rake of the stem needs to be a bit more inclined...more like 8.5 degrees from vertical. Sweet job for sure. Rob
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    When I read that email I was moved. It is surely a work of love......combining skills sets from many dedicated folks. Thanks everyone! Rob
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    Good job Rich....now taking all these measurements and applying them to the images we can begin to make her materialize. Rob
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    Rich can you find that report? I'd love to see it. Rob
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    Vladimir. Glory was not an extreme clipper like Cutty Sark or Flying Fish...she was a full bodied *Medium Clipper*. More of a *DownEaster* then an extreme clipper. She could be considered a prototype of the DownEaster design that came after the clippers. But to get back to your point. I think that Mike's original drawing might be a bit too blunt also.....but further analysis will need to be done. My example that I built was based upon this bluntness...but with slight alterations. I wanted to see what it looked like in 3D. Thanks for bringing up still another issue we need to resolve. Rob
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    Vladimir... your work is wonderful...especially with the cad. I agree...with your assessment...Mike was not far off...just in minor details and slight measurement issues. Rich points out one clear fact about a *good* reference. The figurehead is 7.5 ft long...this drawing is drawn to the scale of 1/8"= ft/ So if you measure the figurehead out to scale...you can therefore use that to make all other measurements. With that info in hand lets take a look at what you've drawn. Your proportions are not far off but it appears your naval hood is a bit elongated and the stem beneath it is not thick enough compared to the thickness of the hood. Take a look at the new very clear image we all got of the figurehead/bowsprit of Glory at her conversion. If you can see...her hood is nearly the same thickness of the stem directly behind the figureheads feet. The stem is actually slightly wider...not narrower as you have depicted. Your work is wonderful and I can't say enough about your assistance. We've discussed this before and about your own desires to build a Glory model as accurate as possible. I'm with you. But if we use the scale of her figurehead being 7.5 ft then we can deduce pretty closely many of her other measurements. Establish the waterline of 22ft from the keel foot and you will then be able to properly relocate the bobstay plates. By using her old images...along with what measurements we do know...we can get pretty close....I'm sure. Did you ever compare your frame line drawings...the ones you drew, to the Australian shipwrights re-drawings of them......? I wonder how different they truly are? Great work...great effort! Rob
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    Rich, personally I think Mike is relieved to know that 2 or 3 more minds are corroborating with him when it comes to the finer details. His sole research has uncovered so many personal and historical aspects of the vessel. A true accomplishment. The devils in the details. Hashing them out is a true relief I think. It would be an entirely different matter if Mike felt his original computations and depictions were cut in stone and beyond contestation. *Capturing* her true beauty scientifically is far easier then trying to capture her beauty based upon McKay's *impressions* or emotional feelings of what a perfect bow of his last clipper should look like. Rob
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    Druxey...the above mentioned *Unknowable's* can be,(By the modeler), interpreted as a beneficial aspect. The general viewing public, will, in most cases, not even be aware of any discrepancies.....and for that matter, even skilled knowledgeable modelers can be ignorant of such minor details as well....especially if we are talking about a vessel that has much ambiguity associated with its design details. In both camps I am free from discriminating eyes. Rob
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    Indeed it is getting exciting. One item I'm trying to get over is not to step on Mike's feet. meaning.... every time we conclude error in his original drawings it makes me feel as if we're betraying him in some weird way. Yeah, I know that is all in my head, but I've been a fan of Mike's for over 10 years, marveled in his historical accuracies, and I respect him greatly. We are plowing up new ground here and it is odd to think we are pushing it further then he originally did. When I couldn't imagine being able to do that. It is a wonderful thing to know that even Mike feels he didn't go far enough and that we are joining along side him with our own energies...undergirding his research and efforts. Which is extensive to say the least. I hope his shipwright friend in Australia will be willing to redraw hull plans based on what we have uncovered. Great work. Rob
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    Good deducing....... Getting closer day by day. Rob
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    I thought about using some kind of silkspan myself for my 1/128 scale Great Republic but translucency was an issue for me...and hand painting every sail wasn;t what I wanted to do...though each of my sails is painted as well. I used paper and even used a crimping plier I invented to emboss the stress points. But at my scale it just wasn't necessary. Your 1/96 versions are wonderfully made. Here is my example Rob
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    Wonderful stay and jib sails....just wonderful. What was your technique for creating the folds and stress creases in the sails? Secondly...what did you use for the hanks and did you thread the stay through them prior to fixing the stay to the mast? Rob
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    Difficulty with comparing McKay designs is that he never, if rarely duplicated a design....unless it was with his sister ships. Rob
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    Great deduction. Utilizing other means I was able to conclude also that her bow was estimated to be 25', close to your estimation. If you compare that her copper line was 22' from keel foot...you can note that the distance from that line to her monkey rail is slightly longer.......25'. My 1/8" redraw of her stem shows this. She is roughly what we deduced....24'~25" Mike told me that 22 degrees is the angle of her bowsprit....but not sure if that is derived from true horizontal or from her sheer angle at the bow....which you suggest is 7ft above her sheer at mid deck. This would significantly alter the angulation of her bowsprit. Also....A point Mike pointed out.....if this angle is derived from her 1869 launching image or from her 1907 image where she suffered from hogging. 2 points to consider. Rob
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    What exactly could he mean by *Bold, dashy rake*? A 7 foot sheer defined as a 7 ft curve to her deck from aft to forward prow.....*Sufficient Spring* can be subjective, as well as *air of lightness and buoyancy*. All these descriptive portions can be misconstrued if not understood fully by the reader. Correct? Rob
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    Good news....Mike did tell me she had a 16" hog...and that could only be determined if as you said....she was in drydock. Good work. As I told Mike....I never knew she was hogged...that could be one reason why she may appear to be more raked in her bow and stem then she actually was. I've seen pics of Dashing Wave when she had a severe hog. Rob
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    I found your claim odd, so I reread that last night and could not find the suggestion that the image.....or any of them was taken from across the bay. I concluded just as you have admitted...that it was a mistake. Isn't that book full of great images, that you just can't find on the internet? At this point in her conversion...she had been fully caulked and repainted....preparing her for her long voyage and stay in Alaska. But I don't recall her being placed in a floating dry dock for this work....mmmmm. No matter Rob
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    Good work Vladimire. Where did you get that extremely clear image Rich? Nice. Rob
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    Looks like we are progressing on the hood and cheek plate ornamentation, very nicely done. These details are significant because every clipper was identified by these personal elements. I hope to get to work on my hull creation very soon. I'm side tracked with some driveway repaving issues, but not to worry. Rob
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    My crude drawing on the templet showing how it closely mimics the San Pedro profile... Adjustments can easily be made when the stem is added to the model. Rob
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    GReat work Michael...superb! Rob
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    Kinda like what these lofters are doing.
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    I finished cutting out the frame boards. I'll loft the hull by using the lofting jigs to aid in the hull's contour. I'll add the stem and keel after the hull is carved. Rob
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    I reposted them. These are of my cutouts I will use for the model. Notice how sleek she looks when I only portray her at water level and only the bow. These drawing are from the 1/8" drawing I superimposed over the San Pedro image. Like you, I feel, if several of us are satisfied with with her dimensions and overall look, then we are probably as close as we're ever going to get. We'll have to run this all by Mike, of course. but from what he has been telling us he thinks the last drawings that were made need some refinement....particularly of her bow and entry. Rob

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