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Yes..some craft stores have a brass foil tape....I can't find it in any small widths though. 1/4" width is all I found. Rob
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Head and storage locker? Beautiful......you've come such a long way and it is wonderful. Rob- 4,152 replies
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Yeah Popeye...the trick is finding the wash tub ringer....and a good one that has good rollers. Everything else for making copper plates as I demonstrated is pretty strait forward. I finished off the hull today and leveled it and marked off the water line..or copper line. It came out fantastically even and level..... Now I am laying the deck. and when that is finished I will add in the planksheer and edging and base for the turned rail posts. My hope is to have the deck finished by the weekend....or sooner. Sorry no pics..right now..I'm at work Rob
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Thanks Popeye. Yes..the nail detail needs to be almost insignificant at 1/128. Just the slight impression of the detail. The plate segments are the most important IMV. My build schedule will probably allow the plates to be fixed on the hull...AFTER the hull detail is finished...the planksheer added and then the wood deck added. After that, I'll paint the hull black by masking off the water line. Just a few more things to do..... Thanks, Rob
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Did a bit of sanding and filling today on the hull......its smoothing up. I hope to finish this step and get a another coat of primer on it. Planksheers and rail trim will be added next to the hull and to frame out the turned rail base prior to adding the deck. Rob
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Worked on sanding and filling the hull today. Applied filler...sand and contour...getting there. Rob
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Once the entire hull is coppered...I will be applying a dull coat sealer to secure everything. Ed: The Great Republic was plated with Yellow metal... Thus far I have not been able to track down brass tape to be used in my jig....If I can fine some I will surely use it instead of the copper tape. Thanks for paying close attention and noting the detail. I was fully aware...I just didn't point it out. I was focusing on the process of creation. Rob
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Yes Ed, I recall your examples and the topic you discussed on your YA build. In my scale 1/128 the plates are roughly 5mm X 11mm. Your jig is fantastic..if I was cutting individual plates....I'm using tape and the advantage from an expeditious point of view is to emboss the nail and segmentation imprints at the same time. My struggle has been the control of the extent of exaggeration. Here is a picture of the means by way I emboss the copper tape. as previously explained... I have now added a piece of drywall sand screen between the exterior wire bands of the mesh. when pressed with the mesh and the copper tape I am left with a symmetrical impression....replicating the many nail impressions present on each plate. Yes..they are not perfect...neither is the real examples I have posted of the Constitution copper. These examples not not pressed down or even taped down to the wood..but namely laid against each other to show the symmetry of the impressions. I think these will do at the scale I'm working in..plus all I want is an impression of the copper nail imprints...not the actual number and exact placement replication. I am so thankful for everyone's fine examples and advice....they have been very inspiring and aided me in my own fabrication and application. But when the rubber hits the road....I'm really after a clean very expeditious method of laying 1600 plates. In my case tape that represents individual plates. Fast and furious...git -er done.....but don't look like you just through it all together... Rob
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Thanks everyone...for your fine advice and photographic representations. I think there are two directions for me..One do nothing and simply add the tape as I described earlier using my roller technique. Second, AFTER FURTHER EXPERIMENTATION..I devised a means to imprint subtle nail prints and to emboss the individual plates onto the tape. I simply added a strip of sheetrock sanding cloth between the wire mesh, just on the outside surface so that when the entire apparatus is rolled I emboss both the nail imprints and the plate segment lines in one quick turn of the crank. Subtle, yet not imposing or over exaggerated. I think this might be the path I go down...what do you think? I think it looks convincing. Rob
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I'm almost leaning on my original montra of *Keep it simple stupid*. The clean lines of the crisp plate lines not muttled up with all the nail impressions might be the clean and safe way to go...any thoughts? Rob
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Here is pic of a strip of tape that has been pressed with both the plate and a random nail imprint...Not sure what I think. Rob
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I'll refine it a bit and make sure the nail points are as evenly spaced on each plate as possible. I'll probably make a jig to mainting the ponce wheel center the tape. Rob
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After creating my double Ponce wheel here are the results. I didn't rub the tape down hard so the details can be seen. I simply rolled each tape section with the Ponce wheel (which imprinted two sets of nail holes) then ran the tape through my plate replicator. Further refining will occur but I'm getting there I think. I might even try running the wheel on the tape after it's installed...only problem is not punching in the seam between plates. Rob
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I made a rolling punch to make the nail imprints...looks cool.
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One thing I have noticed Is that along with the dedicated copper nails that each plate must retain..there is the fact that there are numerous surface defects that add to the surface detail of a copper plate. It dawned on me that a simple press against the copper tape with a heavy sand paper would indeed render the detail present on old copper plate. I tested it here at work(In the most rudimentary way) and found it satisfying. I will pre press the copper tape with heavy grit sand paper then run the tape through my rolling press and see what I get..... I present a very good example of the results of actual ware and real world action on copper plates...the USS constitution. I think I can replicate this with my suggested (NEW) idea. I'll try it as soon as I get home. Rob
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Actual coppered hulls tend to show the major elements(Individual copper plates), then the exaggerated nail holes..even though they can be seen..they are insignificant at smaller scales...IMV..but for your review..here are some examples. ie..Cutty Sark, Constitution.
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Further study(I probably already knew this), is directing me to *Keep it simple stupid*. After years of evaluation and comparative study..I've determined that all the copper nail marks are not really necessary at this scale..and even may be a distraction..since scale and the evolution of time and wear, leaves its mark on installed copper plates...thus diminishing and even hiding these construction artifacts... as demonstrated by these examples. In MY View. Far too much detail...thus, far too much texture. Rob
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Thanks Nils. Yeah...I'm always thinking outside the box...I just hope this idea catches on with others. Rob
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Thanks Jeff....I'm all about doing it easier and faster...but retaining the fine look..My mind is always thinking of a better way to do something. Especially things that are monotonous. Rob
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