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Nicely done Rob. Fully rigging them will bring you closer to frustration then you have ever strayed.....if you do not do your homework. Wonderfully done........indeed. Rob
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Vlad...my research, along with the physical limitations I observed.......resulted in me terminating the first 3 backstays at the topmast cross trees. It was not possible to terminate them at the mainmast cap. The tops for each mast rudely interrupted that idea. In short, the stays would have pressed up against the aft edge of the tops and would have been abrading against it, and would have been extremely misaligned. An entirely unacceptable situation. Unlike your version....my version represents Glory after her major backstay conversion and would not be a good representation of your goal. However, the first 3 backstays would not truly be effected by the modification and in reality, still would not interrupt the path of the first 3 stays as I mentioned. Review my completed images and you will see where all the backstays terminated on my Glory. Again....my version has 2 new backstays on each side of the fore/main masts, and their insertions would effect the others. Making your true locations more problematic. Typically the first 2 stays would insert at the topmast crosstrees. The second pair would terminate at the foremast flying jib stay insertion(at the point were the topgallant shrouds insert. The last 2 stays would insert at the outermost foremast jib stay at the Royal mast top. Review Mikes drawings in his books. Rob
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Iron Mast Cap Orientations in Steam/Sailing Ships
rwiederrich replied to BANYAN's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
One particular fact not readily discussed, is General symmetry and balance. It was a common practice for designers and even captains(because they often were the building Forman in charge of a vessel they would command, to make design decisions based on their own preferences, whims, or artistic/symmetrical leanings. Parts (fixtures) of the vessel were used to measure out other parts (fixtures. At times the main yards lengths were determined by the length of the lower main mast (deck to cap), or the jibboom as it extended past the bowsprit was twice the length of the bowsprit. So many more examples could be sighted, if one had the desire to know. The tops were always parallel to the waterline...most likely due to the fact men would be traversing it and if it cantered at the rake of the mast....could prove to be a danger to men. Not forgoing that it would be quite unsymmetrical. Likewise, in most cases the cap would follow the same symmetrical principal....establishing a clean symmetrical sightline. Yes there are always exceptions to every rule...if violating that rule does not compromise structural integrity. In MHO.....it is more preferable to keep the caps/tops/waterline parallel. What does imagery of your vessel show you? Rob -
Praying my friend. Rob
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Iron Mast Cap Orientations in Steam/Sailing Ships
rwiederrich replied to BANYAN's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Pat……good research can pay off. I hope my earlier comment didn’t appear too off center. Maybe I failed to be clear. Rob -
Iron Mast Cap Orientations in Steam/Sailing Ships
rwiederrich replied to BANYAN's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Personally...my experience shows that the cap of the doubling nearly always is parallel with the deck and the mast tops. This *rule* does have its exceptions...namely on schooners(Baltimore clippers and smaller craft, which do not have tops where men may have to work. Also one must not forego the notion of functional aesthetics and just plain preference of the captain and or designer. The function of the cap is not compromised either way. But appearances make a very big difference. A cap is almost never perpendicular to the mast axis if a top is just below it. From my experience they are parallel to one another and the deck. It makes for a much cleaner sight line. My 5 cents. Rob -
Great metal work. Rob
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I know, the hardest part of adding jackstays is keeping the eye bolts that the stay wire runs through as parallel as possible. I found if you can mount the yard in a machinist vice and drill the holes by using your drill press......the eye bolts will all be uniform and then the wire will run through them straight and true. You're doing a great job. I did notice that the trucks you made that are fixed to the masts....will not permit you to rotate the yard.....so it appears all your yards will be perpendicular to their masts. Not a problem, it just dosn't give you the option of setting the sails for tacking or leeward breezes....just running with the wind. Suggestion: Don't forget to stretch your wire.so it is as straight as possible. Fantastic work. Rob
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Oh my, my friend. I pray the new year will bring better days as you move forward. Rob
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I see it will be published on July 2023. Pre orders are being taken now from the publisher. And the painting on Mikes living room wall of Glory of the Seas is on the cover……cool. Rob
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When will it be available? I need my copy now………. Rob
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Cool steady rest design for your lathe. Great job! Now , that’s thinking. Rob
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Sweet metal work Rob I never thought about simply drilling a hole in the mast to mount the truck. Sturdy! Rob
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Fantastic work Rob. She is looking amazing and the choice on the kit sales looks fantastic too. What was your method for tapering the yards, did you use a small lathe or did you use a drill motor and sandpaper? Just beautiful. Rob
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Funny thing Pat…….I went into my Shop to clean , rearrange and just sort it all out, but I had to put Glory somewhere……she was in the way. So I went out to the wood shop, selected a nice piece of knotty maple(I cut down 5 years ago), and made a new shelf for her. Mounted her, installed some ambiance lights and…bam! Now back to the shop to finish up organizing/cleaning. First things first. Didn’t finish in the shop, but I’ll wrap it up tomorrow sometime One thing always leads to another. I hope to find Glory a new home….where she will be properly cared fore and displayed in a case. Rob
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Thanks Druxey, I already sent off a quick bio and some images to Michael Wall. Rob
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The glare from the light isn’t very prevalent in person. Just wish I could get her loaned or or sold. She needs to be viewed not hidden away in my dark library. Rob
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I really have to get into the shipyard/workshop and clean and rearrange things real bad. But before I Could do that I first had to find a place for glory of the seas. So what I decided to do was build her her own shelf in the library. I first removed The Charles W Morgan and put her on top of the great republic’s case. I then went out to the Wood shop and made a new shelf, brought it in and placed Glory on it. I also installed a light to highlight her there. I really want her in a case, but I just don’t have the room. Here are a few pics of her in her new location in the library. Rob
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Wonderful. It amazes me the McKay used a number of designs on many of his ships. I suspect that too, was part of his goal as he never recreated a design twice(Cept, for his sister ships). Always looking the combination that produced the fastest ship. Rob
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I think it is fascinating that riggers used many designs to raise and lower the yards. Single tye lifts on either side…..one single the down the center running through a mast Sheave. I’m assuming the purchase end will have another gin block for the purchase rigging? Or will there be further design applications applied? All these methods applied by riggers or captains…..seeking the best and most effective way to set and stow yards under a running sea. Great job. Rob
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Merry Christmas everyone. Vlad you are surely moving out on Glory’s rigging, that’s for sure. We’ll done indeed. Rob
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I'm humbled and find myself acting hypocritical, when I bring a construction error to Vlad's attention, when in fact I myself have errors built into my own version. I'm fully aware the modeler has the final say concerning his own model. However, I have bit my lip and held my tongue on numerous occasions, not wishing to over step any construction decisions made by another modeler. It makes me look like a prideful, selfish, know-it-all, when I point out others errors, when I own many of my own. I am considering correcting and relocating the inner chain guy wire to its proper insertion on the jibboom.😏 Rob
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True indeed Pat. When there are so many eyes watching and scrutinizing your next move....it could make one *jumpy* and a bit *offended*. Vlad is taking it all in stride. When as much study and evaluation that has gone into our rediscovering of Glory of the Seas, you'd begin to think everyone is an expert in some way. Not forgetting, that photographs do not lie, we need to balance accuracy with ability and allow for some license on the part of the builder. This isn't a community build....it is an individuals interpretation for the most part. Consisting of so many parts, it is easy to forget where everything goes exactly. Hopefully extreme errors can be remodeled, while minor (truly insignificant) errors can be left to themselves. My forecastle deck remodel is a perfect example of a needed correction. Vlad is doing a super job. Rob
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I recognize I made that chain guy error. After I made the discovery , I had progressed too far along to comfortably redo it all. Like the previous mistake of not taking into account the carriage house taper……. I again opted to excuse myself from the terror of remaking it. I believe such errors are in keeping with a growing knowledge of her members, after the fact of construction. I can only imagine how Mike Mjelde feels after published so many errors in his books and now through a more thorough re-engineering of Glory’s members, discovers his errors were more impressionable and of a reconstruction oversight then any act of laziness. Vlad….. you’re doing magnificent. I hate to point out issues like the chain on Glory’s deck……..forgive me if I appear hypocritical. Rob
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