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Thanks John I get this in principle, but how would you go about tightening such a thing around your spar - or is it a question of getting lucky and having the correct diameter after you've seized all the elements in....? It is still a very abstract thing to me..... What I may try is making 2 collars - one for the bowsprit shrouds and one for the bobstay and forestay heart. This may result in a bit of a clunky look, but the images of collars I've seen show a length of rope with two eyes in the ends, lashed together around the spar....I can see how I might manage this at my small scale (1:100) with 2 rigging elements (the bowsprit shroud deadeyes, e.g.) attached - as I wrote this Druxey just responded saying the same thing, so now I'll close! Anyway - I appreciate the responses all! If anyone has a photo of a bobstay/bowsprit shroud collar they've made and want to share I would greatly appreciate it - it would be nice to have an image to help me think about how to go about things. Happy modelling all hamilton

Thanks Jan: It's actually the bobstay collars that I'm curious about....the mainstay collar is straightforward since it only has one heart seized to it - what I'm having difficulty with is a collar with multiple deadeyes/hearts seized in. On my HMS Blandford build there is an inner bobstay collar on which the bobstay deadeye, the bowsprit shroud deadeyes & the forestay heart are all seized....there's also an outer bobstay deadeye on which the fore preventer stay is also seized - I'm wondering how to seize multiple deadeyes/hearts onto a single length of rigging line...... Thanks again for your post! hamilton

Hi there: I'm wondering if anyone has a good technique they would be willing to share for making collars for bowsprit shrouds/forestays/bobstays and other similar types of rigging elements. I cannot wrap my mind around how to do this using a single length of rigging line with multiple seizings. Thanks in advance for any tips! hamilton

Hi Ian: This is magnificent work! The level of detail you are working to is beyond believable! If I were to solder anything at this scale it would look an absolute mess, but I'm pretty sure you could pull some nice taters out of that stove if you could find any at scale - if not, I've sure you could cut them to scale!! hamilton

Hi Jason: Excellent work! As for those eyebolts on the rear of the cannon carriages, I think they would have been used for a tackle that would run back behind the cannon and include another block hooked to an eyebolt on deck - not for the gun tackle (though using them as such makes more sense aesthetically for the reason you explain above). I'm sorry I don't know the name of the tackle, but someone here will..... Alistair's suggestion is a good one and if you can follow it it's the way to go. Being lazy I might have fudged it by seizing the block directly to the eyebolt on the gun carriage and leaving out the hook altogether - but Alistair's strategy results in something far more authentic. Anyway - great work! I love watching this ship come together hamilton

Thanks again BE - I appreciate the time you've taken in helping me with this! I'm assuming that the foremast measurement you quote as your final length (242mm) is the total length of the mast, including whatever is below decks....I'm working at a much smaller scale, but I arrived at a main mast length (on the model) of 182mm. The calculation of the other masts & spars will be from the scaled full mast length as calculated from goodwin - 209mm total length - with the exception of the lower fore and mizzen, which will be calculated from my adjusted above-decks height for the main mast (that is, 182mm) with a bit extra added for the seating of the masts.... Thanks again for your help! hamilton

Of course it would have been most helpful to take direct measurements from Goodwin's book & scale down to 1:100, which is what I spent the last hour doing......The only issue remains the lower masts and bowsprit, which are difficult to calculate because of the obvious difference between a kit with a false centre keel and a real ship....for these I have gone with a longer measurement above the partners, as follows Main mast = 182mm Fore mast = 170mm Mizzen mast = 150mm Bowsprit = 101mm The extra length can be shaved off depending on how the masts look relative to one another and their tops/yards...... That's all on this for now - back to the bench!! hamilton

Thanks Wayne: Unfortunately I can't use Danny's spreadsheet on my Mac!! I'll have to check it out on a PC when next I'm able....great idea, though! hamilton

Thanks BE Yes this makes sense to me - I re-did the main mast calculation using first the drawing on p.93 of Goodwin, and then Lees calculation starting from Goodwin's overall measurements (2.42 x the beam of the ship) and substracting the below-decks section taken from the longitudinal plan provided by Goodwin - the result in both cases was 165mm for the length of the mast above the partners - this seems a little short to me...I, too, may cut it a bit long (perhaps about 180mm), though I'll try to keep the dimensions of the head, cheeks, bibs, caps and so on to the measurements given by Goodwin.... Quick(?) question -- how did your elongation of the main mast influence the calculation of the other mast/spar dimensions? I'm thinking that an elongated main would have to result in elongated fore and mizzen masts. But did it influence your calculation of the dimensions of the topmasts and topgallants and the yards as well? Or did you calculate these in some other way? My Lees is the 1979 first printing....which explains the difference! hamilton

PS BE - I now see what you were referring to - section G (Masts & spars) in Goodwin! Thanks a lot! It will be difficult to calculate the below decks length of the masts as they would be on the model, since there is nowhere to sink a tick strip down into the "hold"....I may simply assume that the below partners measurement given by Goodwin is the same at scale on my model and go from there....path of least resistance and at least some marginal accuracy - at least the basic reference point is reliable! Thanks again hamilton

Hi Harlequin: Sound like fun! Glad to hear she's making you keep up! As for the deadeye strops, yes they are very soft! I broke only 2, though, and got through them pretty quickly. I pressed lightly down on them to make them more round in shape and then inserted the deadeye first at the bottom (where the strop was most likely to break) and then "folded" the top over if you see what I mean...Had to do some touching up. The strops are not ideal and if I had more energy I might have replaced them with my own brass wire versions. However....they will suffice. It's nice to be done (more or less) the hull - though honestly I thought my problems with the kit would end there (since I've already worked out a new rigging plan based on Lees and Goodwin's Anatomy of the Ship. However, as my post regarding the mast and spar lengths indicates, things continue to be confusing! Bye for now hamilton

Thanks Alistair & BE!! BE - I wonder if we're working from different editions of the Lees book - my p. 196 is the last page of the index (and of the book!) Nevertheless, the measurement 68' 6" is all I need to go on, since the mast & spar dimensions are taken from this root. I can get the length of the mast below the partners from the longitudinal section drawing in Goodwin - I imagine the difference between 1:96 (Goodwin) and 1:100 (Corel) are so small as to be negligible.... In my version of Lees there are no tables outlining the mast & spar dimensions of the various establishments. There are rigging tables for different classes of ships that correspond to pre-1719, 1719, 1745, etc., and also an appendix which gives prose descriptions of the proportions of masts, spars & rigging lines....Numerical tables would be much more useful as a tool for consultation! Anyway, thanks again I'll draw up my own tables again and have a crack at the bowsprit this evening.... hamilton

Well I had hoped to begin the masting this evening by cutting and shaping the bowsprit. But somehow I found myself resealing our bathtub and painting the bathroom ceiling instead! How annoying.... In any case, with the little time left to me tonight, I did a bit of a masting comparison - Corel, versus Lees, versus Goodwin. I found wide variation between all three of these sources as to the lengths of the masts and spars....Here is the general rundown... Corel, by and large, provides for taller masts and longer spars - in some cases by as much as 40 or 50mm!!! (as with the main & fore topgallant yards). Using the proportions found in Lees' Masting & Rigging of English Ships of War, we find much more conservative numbers. In many cases (especially for the lower and topsail yards, these more or less exactly mesh with Goodwin, but in other cases there are significant differences - as with the topgallant yards, where at scale there is a 10mm difference in each case. Goodwin lands in about the middle in most cases except where, as noted, he agrees with Lees....though in one important instance (the main mast) he overshoots Corel by a good 10mm (at scale, obviously) - though we're calculating the mast length from the step on the keelson, rather than from the lower deck, as in the case of Corel.... Here are some highlights (all measurements are at 1:100) Main Mast Corel - 199mm (from lower deck) Lees - 189mm (uncertain, but I presume this is a measurement from the step in the hold of the ship) Goodwin - 208mm (taken from the step in the hold) Main topmast Corel - 140mm Lees - 113mm Goodwin - 121mm Bowsprit Corel - 101mm (outboard section only) Lees - 111mm (again, one assumes a length inboard, but hard to say how much....) Goodwin - 88mm outboard Fore Lower Yard Corel - 169mm Lees - 161.5mm Goodwin - 161.5mm Main Topgallant Yard Corel - 86mm Lees - 66.5mm Goodwin - 78.5mm Anyway, you can get a sense of my conundrum....The commitment to historical accuracy on the part of the kit manufacturer can possibly be ruled out. However, the disagreement between more trustworthy sources leaves doubt. Also - since it is difficult to determine the length of the masts at scale from Lees and Goodwin, since they are including in their calculation a section of the mast on the real vessel that will not be included on the model, it's hard to know exactly how to use them - at least for the lower masts and bowsprit.....Goodwin is easier here, since there is a 1:96 drawing of the longitudinal section of the Blandford that shows the masts stepped. All I need to do is calculate the 1:100 dimensions of the full masts and substract from this total the length of the mast below the lower deck (after converting from 1:96 to 1:100 - though how miniscule will this difference be? So there it is....what to do? what to do? I'll have to spend a bit of time with my chart and make some decisions, but in the meantime, any and all advice is welcome! hamilton

Thanks a lot John! I'm liking your CW Morgan, too - a very complex and interesting build! hamilton

Harlequin! I was wondering where you had gone! Hope the season went well for your daughter. My son and I watched some kids playing rugby at one of the beaches at our vacation spot on Hornby Island. I can't pretend to understand the game myself, but he seemed to get into it. Looking forward to seeing some progress on Bellona hamilton

Thanks Augie! I'm finding it very difficult already to keep up with your Confed! Your log is less a log and more a microcosm! I will try my hardest! hamilton

Hi Mark: Yes....ratlines!! I can hardly wait!! The hardest part about the ratlines (for me) is thinking about having to tie them....once I start and get into the rhythm of things it's not so bad as long as there is some good meditative music or an interesting podcast to listen to.... I should note that the smaller 3mm deadeyes did come in adequate supply in this kit - Corel supplies them only for the topmast shrouds. I had to hustle for some extras so the backstays would look proper.... hamilton

Just catching up here Jason - she looks great - the time (and money!) you spent on the carronades was well worth it - I'll echo BE's comment about the deck shots - they look amazing. hamilton

Seems like a lot of progress to me!! She's looking great hamilton

The shrouds look great - nice symmetry with the deadeyes hamilton

It seems I have to split this into two posts....here are the rest of the photos.... hamilton

As promised - here's a quick update with photos. I've now pretty much finished the hull - saving the sweep port lids, the figurehead, and the beak gratings, which I'll install after the bowsprit is on. Tonight, I installed the moldings on the channels, the backstay deadeyes and the ballast ports. I have to say I'm pretty happy to be moving on to the masting and rigging - it'll be nice to start building up! Enjoy the photos. hamilton

Thanks BE, Wayne, Ferit, Mark, Alistair & Michael! The scale is very tricky....much of my scratch work ends up being more or less overly large for 1:100 (the belfry knees and kevel bitts are cases in point), but I'm happy overall with the results.... Through this build I have developed great admiration for this class of vessel - more than I have for others I have built. Building it as the Blandford out of the Corel kit has at once led me to appreciate the lovely lines and composition of the Blandford, but also to feel a lot of frustration that I have not been able to realise it as neatly as I feel I could at a larger scale - due to limitations both in my skill and in the kit itself, which is not altogether suited to this kind of modification, as I think I've said before....More recent victims of these limitations have been the anchor linings and the aft gunport lids.....I don't think the build is much the worse without them, but they would have added another little bit of interest for the eye. A 1:48 scale build of the Blandford would be a really fun project. There is (or was) one on the go that I found on another forum while I was researching this build - this was a really beautiful scratch PoB build, but hasn't been updated since 2012, and I'm not sure if it's still on the go or what....In any case such a project will have to wait for my retirement - 25 years or so from now!! Between now and then, there will be other larger scale projects. In other news, I've now pretty much finished the hull - since last update I made and installed the channels and backstay stools; put on the lower shroud deadeyes; installed scuppers and added a few more ringbolts for the ship's boat lashing, etc. Tonight I'll finish things up by adding the smaller (3mm) deadeyes on the stools for the backstays, putting on the molding pieces to hold in the deadeyes/chainplates & make the ballast port doors. The last hull elements will be the 36 sweep port lids I have to make, but to avoid breaking them off during rigging, I'm going to save this till the end.... I'll post again with photos either later this evening or tomorrow.... hamilton

The first of September must have seemed an eternity away! It seems I'm not the only one who can't wait between builds!! Off to a great start Augie hamilton

Here are a couple of shots of the completed belfry....you'll notice the knees installed in the second shot.... And finally, here's a shot of the stanchions for the rail around the aft companionway hatch on the main deck - self-explanatory.... Thanks for coming by! hamilton