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Originally Bligh was going to be sent 'ashore' in the 'small cutter' with two or three others but it was 'wormed' or 'stove in' and couldn't be kept afloat (what sort of ship was Bligh running?). So then the large cutter was to be used but that was changed to the Launch. So all three boats were aboard for the voyage. The large cutter and the launch seem to have been stowed with all thwarts removed and the 'knees and bolts' kept in the carpenters and carpenters mates chests. This comes from the trial transcripts at https://www.famous-trials.com/bounty/399-transcript Bligh didn't say much about the launch in his log except 'In the afternoon I got fitted a pair of shrouds for each mast and contrived a canvass weather cloth round the boat, and raised the quarters about nine inches, by nailing on the seats of the stern sheets, which proved of great benefit to us.' which may imply that no shrouds were normally fitted (therefore no deadeyes) and with the short masts that may be true.
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G'day vaddoc, My first visit to your build. These Admiralty drawings certainly aren't engineering drawings are they? For the davit I think it goes something like this (the text says Davit 'something', I'm guessing socket):
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Just tripped over this newspaper clipping.
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G'day Lucien, good job, you've left me for dead. I keep getting stuck on making it right and therefore not making it at all since there is no actual information of what right is. I've come to the conclusion that this model is based on the replica 'Child of Bounty' built for the documentary 'The Voyage of Bounty's Child (1984)' even though the manual suggests it's based on the drawing on page 3. And your information on the blackening solution is priceless.
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I think you're going to need thicker than 1mm. This is for a BR1 engined Camel and (if I'm right) you would need 218.5 ÷ 16 ÷ 8 giving 1.7mm for this prop. Yours wouldn't be far off that.
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No problem, when you haul the flag up one side of the line (the one you pulled on) will be under tension. If the side under tension presses on the sail it will deform the sail or chafe or both. In the Mermaid example, if you hauled the flag up the starboard side of the sail the line to port would be the line under tension but it would be clear of the sail. However if you tacked the sail would then press against it. Meanwhile, my diagram only shows that when the boom is swung out the point where the line is tied off is still accessible from the deck. If as I suggested above, it was tied off above the mainsheet you would have to crawl out the boom to reach it.
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Lightbulb moment. As far out as can still be reached from the deck.
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I agree, flag halyard. On the Harriet, tied off at the boom as in your Gunboat and in use. However, the flag would have to come down and go back up each time you tacked. On the Gunboat, if they took it to above the mainsheet that could be avoided.
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Yeah, just skimmed 'Narrative of a Survey Volume 1'. He mostly just refers to 'the boat', sometimes 'the whale boat' or 'the jolly-boat' and once 'the small whale boat' (which implies two sizes). When he refers to 'the cutter' he is talking about the Mermaid. One of the boats was lost while being towed and a new one built from the spare frames. I doubt it, on length alone the three big boats could be Launches, Cutters, Yawls, Gigs, Life boats or Wherries but a breadth of around 5 feet would rule out all of those except Wherries. And King's sketches seem to be double ended. Given King's remarks, go with Whale boats. Who does?
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I assume you mean me, I've been called a lot of names before but that's a first Not they, that was written by the man himself. It seems that boat naming conventions can be a bit loose. He gives 1st cutter, 2nd cutter, Jolly (or is it Joley) and cutter in frames. So you have to build four then take one apart.
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Ok, this should nail it down for you: From http://digital.sl.nsw.gov.au/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=FL1032664&embedded=true&toolbar=false
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Relative size:
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Chris, what I think is mostly guesses, same as everybody else. Based on the painting, I wouldn't go over 12' for the Jolly boat and I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually 10' but in CAD I get about 10' 10". Cradle of some sorts certainly but perhaps wedges. Those boats must have been securely lashed down. Hard to do on a flat surface without crushing them. The last drawing is supposedly to scale, measuring the whaleboat in CAD I get 20' 6" but there must be a margin for error.
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G'day Chris, Working from what's available: Jolly boat on davits. Boat in water approx 11 feet. Whaleboat location and length (approx 20' 6") Scales are a bit wishy washy so your 20' whaleboats should be fine.
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I tracked down the Brighton gun, at Brighton Beach Gardens near the end of South Rd. So, where are the other 15? Perhaps used as moorings at Williamstown.
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More info: Perhaps 15 to 29 of these around! http://www.cerberus.com.au/reenactors/68_pounder_slideshow.html gives: Ballarat 4 (Eureka Park) 10280, 10284, 10334, 10481 (from another site, perhaps more at View Point, Lake Wendouree attributed to the Nelson but....) Bonegilla 1 10350 Brighton 1 10504 Daylesford 1 10491 Drysdale 1 10276 Moonee Ponds 2 10496, 10498 Port Fairy 2 10502, 10509 7261, 7271 (numbers off barrel not trunnion?) Portland 2 10339, 10302 Warrnambool 1 10310 7045 (number off barrel not trunnion?) This site https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/55b77c242162f119c85679d4 gives "There are only seven 32 Pounder SB made by Carron and fifteen 68 Pounder SB made at Low Moor known to exist in the State of Victoria" with (Reference; Victorian Guns and Cannons, South Western Victoria Assessment, May 2008, item W/B/01; Flagstaff Hill Maritime Village datasheets and archives). But I can't find that document.
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Looks like there's a few around, 2 at Port Fairy, 2 at Portland, 1 at Warrnambool, 1 at Moonee Ponds plus yours. I noted there was a recommendation to purchase 19 so there might be some more somewhere. This one is at Port Fairy, I took it back in 2015: This is a link to the Moonee Ponds one: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cannon_located_at_Queens_Park_at_Moonee_Ponds.jpg EDIT, looks like there are two in Moonee Ponds (Queens Park) 10496 and 10498.
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Some info: http://home.iprimus.com.au/artillerist/news.html
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Hank, compare these two. Their cheapest portable with their second cheapest (by $6.00) wall unit. https://www.edgestar.com/koldfront-portable-air-conditioners/PAC802W.html https://www.edgestar.com/koldfront-through-wall-air-conditioners/WTC8001W.html Although they are both 8000 BTU of cooling the portable only claims to cool 150 square feet whereas the wall unit claims 350. The wall unit also heats, the portable doesn't. The portable also uses slightly more power to cool less than 1/2 the area. Hope this helps.
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From best to worst, Split system Box (wall mount) Dual hose portable (if you can get one, they stopped selling them here) Single hose portable A single hose portable sucks outside air in at the same rate it spits hot air out the hose, if the air outside is hot then the only cooling will be directly in front of the unit, the rest of the shed will be close to outside air temp. A dual hose sucks outdoor in one hose, heats it up and spits it out the other. Generally the best budget buy will be a Box A/C if you have the wall space.
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Lapwing 1816 Revenue Cutter
iMustBeCrazy replied to iMustBeCrazy's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
A bit to digest there, the headache doesn't help. (real headache, not caused by you). Using CAD I'm able to use segments of the sheer plan stations, draw in the head and heel, offset a copy by the moulding at the heel and rotate the head to the moulding at the head, compose (join) the four lines in to an object (futtock etc) and so draw each timber in each bend retaining the curves. I'll probably stick to this method. 39 vertical bends and 23 cant frames plus a couple of extra little bits. The other bit is I want these to be drawings of how to build the ship, so each bend and each cant frame has to be drawn anyway. Perhaps you begin to see why I chose my user name. -
Lapwing 1816 Revenue Cutter
iMustBeCrazy replied to iMustBeCrazy's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
No need to groan, I'm only doing a rough PoB so I can figure out the stern. Probably only do the aft third and only plank one side above the wale. But while I'm doing that I might as well draw the extra bulkheads. I will continue trying to draw all bends and the cant frames for PoF plus bulkheads for PoB. As this is largely a family history project, showing the crew accommodation is important, and PoB doesn't do that. -
Lapwing 1816 Revenue Cutter
iMustBeCrazy replied to iMustBeCrazy's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Well, after chasing my tail around and around and around (that curve at the wale shown in post 52 can't exist) I think I'm going to have to build the stern in PoB to see what's happening. I know the outer counter timber is a straight piece of wood with a kink in it, probably leaning over towards the centreline so that the 'elbow' sticks out a bit but in 2D it's not easy to visualise and harder to draw. No wonder they didn't do detailed drawings. Anyway, comments, suggestions please, I haven't done this before. This will be a fairly rough mock-up for my needs, but I still want the drawings to be useful to others. Starting with the keel, bulkheads/moulds when I have done them.
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Lapwing 1816 Revenue Cutter
iMustBeCrazy replied to iMustBeCrazy's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Thanks Tony. I think it was brunch. The same bird once caught and devoured a whole rabbit! Admittedly it was a small rabbit but still several times the size of a mouse. Afterwards it could only fly 50 metres between rests. I've been having a break on the drawings as my eyes are going rectangular what with computers, books and TV. Hope to get outside again soon if the weather moderates. Old man winter seems to have arrived early.
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