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1 hour ago, Louie da fly said:

Do you mind if I upload this to my Pinterest carrack page?

No problem, it gave me something different to do. Unfortunately it only took about 10 seconds.

3 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

Aha! Did an image search for Sibenik 1486, and voila!

Steven, I think this is as far as I can push it, hope it helps:

There is a PDF copy of the whole (untranslated) manuscript at https://digital.blb-karlsruhe.de/blbhs/content/titleinfo/7061 (click on PDF) which can be greatly enlarged in a PDF reader (page 108). Edit: file size 128MB

33 minutes ago, Louie da fly said:

"sie haffen stund (something) vor Modon sagt man (something something) argt hundert (something something) so al von den turken skafft(?)

Sounds like me trying to decipher my great great great uncle's journal of his voyage from Gravesend to Adelaide in 1853.

April 18^th The weather now very calm, had the awning up and established a ???? society for the ???? of bad language, G L ??????? secretary. ???? ???? for a week in succession every time one who said a bad word was fined 1/4^d which the secretary collected & paid to me every Sunday afternoon, this has proved an admirable affair.

April 30^th ???? the trade winds, crossed the Tropic of Cancer.

April 23^rd Saw Cape de Verde Islands, at least two of them, vis ???? and Brava.

April 24^th ???? all day, one of the forward passengers shot a duck but could not get it, saw three flying fish.

Back on topic, I think I've cleaned it up some.

Yay, I get to say "No worries mate".

39 minutes ago, vaddoc said:

Also, another thing I missed is that if we accept that all the drawings of the original plans are to same scale

Careful with that. If a different scale is used it is usually specified, but not always.

Another thing, no way is that boat on page 35 'about 21 feet', with only 3 thwarts it's most likely 16, maybe 18.

14 minutes ago, LucienL said:

I am still quite pleased with how this boat turned out

Well done!

49 minutes ago, LucienL said:

Crazy to think they managed to fit 19 people in there

Originally Bligh was going to be sent 'ashore' in the 'small cutter' with two or three others but it was 'wormed' or 'stove in' and couldn't be kept afloat (what sort of ship was Bligh running?). So then the large cutter was to be used but that was changed to the Launch. So all three boats were aboard for the voyage.

The large cutter and the launch seem to have been stowed with all thwarts removed and the 'knees and bolts' kept in the carpenters and carpenters mates chests.

This comes from the trial transcripts at https://www.famous-trials.com/bounty/399-transcript

Bligh didn't say much about the launch in his log except 'In the afternoon I got fitted a pair of shrouds for each mast and contrived a canvass weather cloth round the boat, and raised the quarters about nine inches, by nailing on the seats of the stern sheets, which proved of great benefit to us.'

which may imply that no shrouds were normally fitted (therefore no deadeyes) and with the short masts that may be true.

G'day vaddoc,

My first visit to your build. These Admiralty drawings certainly aren't engineering drawings are they?

For the davit I think it goes something like this (the text says Davit 'something', I'm guessing socket):

Just tripped over this newspaper clipping.

G'day Lucien, good job, you've left me for dead. I keep getting stuck on making it right and therefore not making it at all since there is no actual information of what right is.

I've come to the conclusion that this model is based on the replica 'Child of Bounty' built for the documentary 'The Voyage of Bounty's Child (1984)' even though the manual suggests it's based on the drawing on page 3.

And your information on the blackening solution is priceless.

I think you're going to need thicker than 1mm.

This is for a BR1 engined Camel and (if I'm right) you would need 218.5 ÷ 16 ÷ 8 giving 1.7mm for this prop. Yours wouldn't be far off that.

1 hour ago, Cabbie said:

BUT no need to explain

No problem, when you haul the flag up one side of the line (the one you pulled on) will be under tension. If the side under tension presses on the sail it will deform the sail or chafe or both. In the Mermaid example, if you hauled the flag up the starboard side of the sail the line to port would be the line under tension but it would be clear of the sail. However if you tacked the sail would then press against it.

Meanwhile, my diagram only shows that when the boom is swung out the point where the line is tied off is still accessible from the deck. If as I suggested above, it was tied off above the mainsheet you would have to crawl out the boom to reach it.

Lightbulb moment.

As far out as can still be reached from the deck.

I agree, flag halyard.

On the Harriet, tied off at the boom as in your Gunboat

and in use.

However, the flag would have to come down and go back up each time you tacked. On the Gunboat, if they took it to above the mainsheet that could be avoided.

22 minutes ago, Cabbie said:

The cutters are meant to be whaleboats as per this which is taken from

Yeah, just skimmed 'Narrative of a Survey Volume 1'. He mostly just refers to 'the boat', sometimes 'the whale boat' or 'the jolly-boat' and once 'the small whale boat' (which implies two sizes). When he refers to 'the cutter' he is talking about the Mermaid. One of the boats was lost while being towed and a new one built from the spare frames.

27 minutes ago, Cabbie said:

Do those measurements look to be for one type of boat or the other?

I doubt it, on length alone the three big boats could be Launches, Cutters, Yawls, Gigs, Life boats or Wherries but a breadth of around 5 feet would rule out all of those except Wherries.

And King's sketches seem to be double ended. Given King's remarks, go with Whale boats.

52 minutes ago, Cabbie said:

i just don't know enough

Who does?

46 minutes ago, Cabbie said:

Paul

I assume you mean me, I've been called a lot of names before but that's a first

48 minutes ago, Cabbie said:

are they calling the boats cutters on this page?

Not they, that was written by the man himself. It seems that boat naming conventions can be a bit loose.

He gives 1st cutter, 2nd cutter, Jolly (or is it Joley) and cutter in frames. So you have to build four then take one apart.

Ok, this should nail it down for you:

From http://digital.sl.nsw.gov.au/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=FL1032664&embedded=true&toolbar=false

Relative size:

17 minutes ago, Cabbie said:

What do you think

Chris, what I think is mostly guesses, same as everybody else.

Based on the painting, I wouldn't go over 12' for the Jolly boat and I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually 10' but in CAD I get about 10' 10".

Cradle of some sorts certainly but perhaps wedges. Those boats must have been securely lashed down. Hard to do on a flat surface without crushing them.

The last drawing is supposedly to scale, measuring the whaleboat in CAD I get 20' 6" but there must be a margin for error.

G'day Chris,

Working from what's available:

Jolly boat on davits.

Boat in water approx 11 feet.

Whaleboat location and length (approx 20' 6")

Scales are a bit wishy washy so your 20' whaleboats should be fine.

I tracked down the Brighton gun, at Brighton Beach Gardens near the end of South Rd.

So, where are the other 15?

Perhaps used as moorings at Williamstown.

More info:

Perhaps 15 to 29 of these around!

http://www.cerberus.com.au/reenactors/68_pounder_slideshow.html  gives:

Ballarat 4 (Eureka Park) 10280, 10284, 10334, 10481 (from another site, perhaps more at View Point, Lake Wendouree attributed to the Nelson but....)

Bonegilla 1 10350

Brighton 1 10504

Daylesford 1 10491

Drysdale 1 10276

Moonee Ponds 2 10496, 10498

Port Fairy 2 10502, 10509 7261, 7271 (numbers off barrel not trunnion?)

Portland 2 10339, 10302

Warrnambool 1 10310 7045 (number off barrel not trunnion?)

This site https://victoriancollections.net.au/items/55b77c242162f119c85679d4 gives "There are only seven 32 Pounder SB made by Carron and fifteen 68 Pounder SB made at Low Moor known to exist in the State of Victoria" with (Reference; Victorian Guns and Cannons, South Western Victoria Assessment, May 2008, item W/B/01; Flagstaff Hill Maritime Village datasheets and archives). But I can't find that document.

Looks like there's a few around, 2 at Port Fairy, 2 at Portland, 1 at Warrnambool, 1 at Moonee Ponds plus yours. I noted there was a recommendation to purchase 19 so there might be some more somewhere.

This one is at Port Fairy, I took it back in 2015:

This  is a link to the Moonee Ponds one:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cannon_located_at_Queens_Park_at_Moonee_Ponds.jpg

EDIT, looks like there are two in Moonee Ponds (Queens Park) 10496 and 10498.

21 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

In a park at the top of Wombat Hill (yes, it's really called that!) in Daylesford about 40 minutes drive from my home is a cannon

Some info: http://home.iprimus.com.au/artillerist/news.html

2 hours ago, Hank said:

I've also discovered the Edgestar brand (U.S. Manufacture)

Hank, compare these two. Their cheapest portable with their second cheapest (by $6.00) wall unit.

https://www.edgestar.com/koldfront-portable-air-conditioners/PAC802W.html

https://www.edgestar.com/koldfront-through-wall-air-conditioners/WTC8001W.html

Although they are both 8000 BTU of cooling the portable only claims to cool 150 square feet  whereas the wall unit claims 350. The wall unit also heats, the portable doesn't.

The portable also uses slightly more power to cool less than 1/2 the area.

Hope this helps.