iMustBeCrazy
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Alfredo, I'm sorry I missed your previous post, I might have saved you some trouble. On a Launch the garboard plank does not follow the keel at the stern, it goes down to the transom instead. Occre does show this in step 10. Occre later cover the 'deadwood' in planking.
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No clear answer here either. Where they may have been carried is a little easier, on deck along the rail (either side) or over the main hatch or dangling from stern davits or dangling over the side or towed astern. ZAZ6347 shows vague outlines of two boats on Vigilant (1821). THIS painting shows at least one boat on Vigilants deck. And THIS painting shows Vigilant with a boat dangling over the side. Missed one, 1783: Cutters employed against smugglers to have 20ft boat instead of 18ft boat for the duration of the peace. Given 200 Ton cutters should have a 22ft gig on a 75ft deck I would expect that Cheerful with a 63ft deck may have had an 18ft boat if they were lucky. Todd, I suggest you cut out some paper boat outlines and see what fits.
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No, and I doubt my grandfather used it more that once. Town wasn't that far away and he had a model T truck. When the farm track was flooded he tied ropes to the corners and had the kids try to keep him out of the ruts Life was different then.
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If I have to... Your little toy seems to do a nice job but perhaps you need something more man sized like my grandfathers rope maker. The little guy in the pic will eventually become a crew member for my Bounty launch.
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Well,it sounds like it hasn't affected your brain anyway. 😁 Likewise.
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Sorry, it's just a simple way of showing if the frames are square to the keel. Using this method, because of the distortion caused by the camera lens, 8 and 9 can only be checked where they meet the keel whereas 10 is close enough to being square to the camera to be checked for it's full height. The second photo is more obvious, the green lines all slope down from left to right but the purple line slopes down from right to left, clearly different. The distortion is why we can't be certain what is and isn't square from your photos, we can give opinions but you will have to check yourself. If you don't have a carpenters square to check with (or yours is too big), these days lots of paper has very square corners. Photocopy paper, business cards, appointment reminders from your doctor or dentist etc. Probably even birthday or greeting cards.
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From the photos it looks like part Nos 2 and 10 are not square fore and aft and 10 is also not square port/starboard. The rest I can't tell from the photos, you will have to check them. The keel needs to be fixed, 10 needs to be fixed, 2 should be fixed. All frames appear to be in the right positions. Fairing should fix any minor out of square issues.
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Well, yours looks great! The drawings for Lapwing (Danish drawing) 1816 and Basilisk (1822) show no whelps (that doesn't mean they didn't have them) and others in the family possibly show octagonal windlasses. Cutter models at the RMG that show whelps have anchor chains. So all that means that since we don't have any specific information about "Speedy", you don't have to fit whelps but you can if you want to.
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I think it's fine, it looks like the pointy bit is a metal cap with flanges for the wires. Overall I think your model looks a little too good, better than the original.
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And Make your own, the skills needed for model making and tool making are the same. See posts 261 through 271 in Tims 'Speedy' thread https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34769-hm-cutter-speedy-1828-by-oakheart-from-plans-drawn-by-bill-shoulders-in-1972/page/9/ You can make yours longer so you can set a stop for longer deck planks. For getting things square, the corners (and sides) of (factory cut) MDF sheets are square and the sides are straight ( you might be able to get some scraps from a cabinet maker) as are the corners of copy paper, both can be used as squares. By gluing sandpaper to the (factory cut) side of a piece of MDF you can sand things to 90°
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I suspect all the wires came off a roll of bicycle spoke wire, the hoops were essentially wooden bicycle rims and the tubing was bicycle frame tubing either flattened at the ends or rolled into an oval for streamlining.
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Another enlargement: Santos_Dumont_N-18g.zip It looks like the front foil (and I think the back) had suspension:
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This enlargement might help. SD 18-cleargc.zip
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It looks like they end at a small disk.
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I'm extremely organised (HAH, heehee, hah heehee, mmmph. giggle, giggle) mine are carefully filed dumped in a folder labelled 'Endurance'. No problem, luckily I like puzzles.
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https://digitaltmuseum.no/011024193055/modell-av-fartoy This model looks like it got it right to me except they were later put over/outside the railing.
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I thought they might be for a while but the davits are just in the wrong place and moving them would have been very difficult. Anyway, this shot shows the aft starboard guy just wraps over the rail and attaches somewhere down the side of the cabin ??? Not a stanchion, not the davit. The forward one I think does the same but attaches to the chain plate. Maybe. I would say further forward, starboard side of the forward binnacle? Crane jib? But yes. Edit: This shot shows no sign of them running down the side so I guess they go to the top of the side of the cabin.
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In Windows for the L121, when the print dialogue box comes up click on the 'more options' tab, select 'Reduce/Enlarge Document and set the 'Zoom to' percentage (jeeeeeze, whats with Epson, everybody else calls it the scale).
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Tom, it looks like after the kennels were fitted the guys were attached to the top of stanchions so as to clear the kennels.
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Looks good to me.
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The Roaring Forties was only the start, you could try your luck further south in the Raging Fifties or even the Screaming Sixties. Along the edge of the Roaring Forties was pretty much the standard route. Fortunately for those aboard Lapwing she turned north to Adelaide long before reaching King Island or Victoria's south coast. The Loch Ard is well remembered, the gorge she foundered off is name after her (it's the one with the big car park).
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They finished up with only one paying passenger plus the owners family (wife and two daughters) and two servants (this is from newspaper articles and the servants may actually have been the daughters). They were heading out for the Gold Rush so possibly had a full (free?) crew. I don't actually have any info from my Great grandfather but again from newspaper reports (passing ships took mail and messages and reported sightings, whoever reached port first let them know who was coming and vaguely when to expect them) it was London to Cape Verde then probably Cape Town via the Brazilian coast, then on to Adelaide or Adelaide direct (I think Cape Town). Roughly 14,500 nautical miles in a boat that fits comfortably in my cousins front yard ( a 1 acre block, ~100' wide). No idea but probably. Supposedly Bramble just going in to Brisbane:
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Doh! I even have that in the file name, I blame the migraines. 😩
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Yes it's an exciting image, probably more so for me as I can (and did this morning) visualise my Great grandfather on board. I don't remember why I thought she was the 1778 Kite, perhaps I mixed up dates in my head, but that extra row of planking above the gun ports makes her more likely to be post the very early 1800s. Given the painting is dates ca1850 it is possible the artist as a boy knew Lapwings sister and remembered her fondly. There are discrepancies, the companionway faces aft and the wc and pantry are missing but she carries the right number of guns (well gun ports, she probably didn't carry a full compliment of guns) in the right places. He may have used Lapwing as a model as she was still around at the time of the painting but made changes based on boyhood memories, who knows. Looking at the painting itself, she's running downwind with both the main and square sail set, that would be wrong, she would be unbalanced with the main trying to turn her to port. Look at the helmsman, he's heaving on the tiller trying to keep her on course. The artist understands, this is a chase, every fraction of a knot counts. As you said, an exciting picture. So, yes this could be Lapwings sister, Speedys aunt.
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