Mirabell61

is that the Billing's kit?   the sails {and the ships} look superb.......very well done.  I never tried to use a different color thread.  I have been using the admiral's sewing machine for a while now........funny,  I bought it for her,  and I've been the one using it the most.  I don't use wire, rather they are painted with diluted white glue,  and laid on a bed of towels {covered over with plastic wrap}.  the towels are puffed up in areas to give the sails a billowed look.  your efforts paid off very well......such a wonderful job !

Hi Popeye,

no, the ships on the pictures of the first post in this sewing related thread are scratch built from plans and gathered Information, plenty of Research before kicking out the first work on the Frames.

An interesting technique you are explaining, would love to see some pics....

Regards

Nils

Hi Bob,

I´m glad you liked log, just had the Feeling it had to be shared with others, because before starting These " selfmade Trials" I searched the web in vain for decent sail making description.

By the way, I trust it is`nt the Billing boats Bluenose .... or ?

I have the 1:75 Billing boats BN on the shelf 3/4 completed for several years allready. Every time after I looked at that U-tube video I suggested to Eddie, who is currently building the Elsie, I know I have to carry on with the BN asap. Let us share some of your pics with your sailmaking progress

Happy sailmaking Trials

Nils

Hi B.E.

"exact, the forelast fo`csle deckbeam is allready marked for cutout in that deck space. If with "ledges and carlings" you mean the framings of the stairway on deck, yes, shall provide mahogony framing and probably brass threeside railing there same as the others shown in my buildlog.

Thanks for the advice for the Surplus etched hooks availabilty.

Shall priority wise have to make up my mind at this time about the ruddersystem (ref. to my`s and danny`s recent Input). What is your opinion B.E. about coppering or not. If coppering, it must be perfectly applied for optical reasons. if one should leave some plates on, that may fail ones own criterea and they are not replaced, they look at you pityfull ever afterwards from the stand (smile)

Nils

Hi Jason,

lovely work you are showing, a great Inspiration to start thinking of what make or scratch i.e. a swan class`s Long boat should be from

Nils

Danny

I forgot to feed back earlier on the "building Speed" ( your reply recently), this is seen a Little bit spiced with Humor as you recognised, even though the 4 months are real for the 1:64 deal. But I am absolutely Aware of what it takes for all 1:48 swanie builders to get the "thousands" of parts, jigs and gauges logistic wise made marked sorted and assembled, and this in a way as if it were a real ship, I also mentioned this to Toni before when sighting her buildlog, this applies as well to all the other admirable builds shown in this Forum and which I so much love to see.

keep smiling

Nils

Hi Danny ,

you are right with your Suggestion Danny on priority for the rudder, thanks for this reminder. The reason that it was not started before is because I to date did not make up my mind if coppering Sub waterline hull, or leaving it Wood stucture, visable (Planks, grain etc) perhaps with eggshell White heritage "anti fouling" optic. I was intending to feasten the rudder hinges after doing so.

Allthough I was seeking Input opinions on that choise twice allread in my buildlog from fellow builders, i think I Need to flip the coin soon myself.

Nils

Part 2

have to push through... "Pamir" takes 32 sails and "Gorch Fock" 23 sails

textile glue with fine applicartion nozzle, works surprisingly well (found on Ebay)

this is a spool of 0,5mm Polyester weaved hollow thread. Predestinated for pushing a wire Soul through, works well !

 full suit sails mounted, my Tallship "Pamir" model

likewise, sails attached to "Gorch Fock"

Nils

Resubmitting of lost pictures

Hi fellow builders,

as some of the pics went lost some time ago I have resubmitted these, beginning with # 32 post on page 3

Nils

Hi fellow builders,

in Need for sewed sails, I dared to do self Trials with my wifes sewing machine some months ago. If there is interest in anyone trying likewise, pls. dont hesitate to comunicate your queries here. Also feel free to share your own experience....

I use thin fine weaved Cotton Cloth, use 100% Polyester sewing thread, medium machine needle, textile glue for Fixing, some ordinary paper for Patterns and a soft pencil for drawing the contours from the templates onto the Cloth.

The Cloth is only slightly wettend with laundry starch spray and ironed dry . The soft pencil lines are easy to follow during Transit into the sewing machine. There is no Need for prefixing sewing needles along the seams. The ultimate kick I found was to place a 0,5mm stainles steel wire in spring Quality into the lower (bottom) Portion of the bolt-rope that encloses the sail. Braced to the wind, once mounted you get sails shaped as if the tradewind is just providing Swift sailing

Please follow the (I trust) self explaining Pictures, I added some coments, and a Little Hand scetch for Illustration. It does not Claim to be perfect, but the anxiety for the sewing machine is overcome, improvements are welcome, but last not least the "sewing boat" has been pushed out....


Part 1


sew straight seams horizontal, vertical


follow the soft pencillines on the Cotton cloth


trimm off the edge fringes after doing so, then follow my handscetch at the end of this part 1


spring wire (stainless st)and hollow weaved thicker Polyester tread


sorry, dont know the english Nomination for this seam making device


debur (important !! slightly round)wire edge and push gently though the weaved thread
Surplus wire endings shall be made to small Loops for the the sail bottom bolt-rope rings


stay sail pattern


after many Trials,.... seem to work now...


Comes out of the machine quite clean and neat now


should be self explaining... come on pls.get out your german/ engl. dictionary.
Of course I shall be happy if I can help....


Part 2 to follow

Hi Tom

a very interesting introduction into this book that raises my sences for Details on old steamships.

Thanks for sharing so far. Will you be showing a few more pics as to the books Content ?

i.e. are there examples for the ways those steelplates had been rivited ?

Nils

Hi Erik

beautifull work, I very much admire your build and was also very impressed of the Feature with the treenails (alone the amount of those to be set !!)

When Thinking about this Point on the 1:64 scaled Pegasus I am currenty doing, I did some Trials with hollow injection Needles mounted to soldering tool and carefully burn-sinking the needle into the appropriate woodplank nail places, but had to give up this after many Trials

Nils

Hi Bob

...top aces work you are delivering, when going through this I decided to restart your buildlog sighting more relaxed from the first excitement and just relax and enjoy and study with great pleasure a top Champions build.

Bob, thank you so much for sharing your buildlog with us

Nils

Here comes part 17 of my buildlog,

after this I shall have to sort out the further logisticwise Approach in my actual build sequence, it may be the rudder System, Fitting out the rear cabins on the gundeck, or Gunport covers, or, or....

for decks I use cardboard templates for tranfering the shapes onto the 0,8mm ply, they allow easy necessary adjustments during prefitting

this is the stand in view from below with the pedestal bolts coming through

dealing with the first Trials on the swivel guns, using RB Model 15mm gunbarrels. I shall scrap this first Trial for the mounting device again.

B.E. Shows us an excellent solution for the mounting brackets. I hope that Amati may take this up and provide an etchpart solution ammendment to the brass Sheets, because of the limited amout of brass hooks

unfortunately my camera provides no macro Feature.... for the Close ups

just an alternative solution, B.E. also here has a great alternative to Show, well done !

This Little jig supports during driiling pivotpin hole and handle hole into the unbored RB models 15mm length gunbarrels

two more Pictures of the stand, this is an easy priceworthy way of getting a not too fancy stand

At this buildstage ( I asked Forum members before in my buildlog) any Input on the question : coppering the hull or not ? would be appreciated. Pros and cons would be very welcome. I did a lot of "steelplating" on model hulls before, but that was representing iron/steel plated hulls in riveted Detail (like Titanic, etc.) on early steamships.

this is what I meant, it`s showing the 1400 mm Long raw hull of the german/ australian line Steamer Elbing launched in year 1898

The 18th century coppering plates are more or less nailed (model : glued) on to the planking, but also hiding the wooden planking structure

Nils

Many thanks B.E. this is an highly appreciated extra Bonus Information and shall certainly be of great help

 

Nils

Good day B.E.

here just a quick Illustration how I meant it with the space, the stairs and clearance to 1st and 2nd gun. The gangwayplanks you provided are still going roun in my head, because I really like them. What do you think about my stair Version in combination with your G-Plank Version ? The swivel gun attendants would not interfere with the heavy gunner Crew one deck lower in battle....

Nils

Danny

wonderfull fellow builder advice..., I looked up your link

Many thanks for the galley stove link in your own buildlog, it`s really great. I know you are building in 1:48, and if possible would like to adopt what is feasible into 1:64 from yours and from B.E.`s 1:64 splendid stove Version

Nils

Hello Nils, re the English terms used in shipbuilding - here's a little schematic I did on the plans to help me sort out what was what.

 

 

 Hope this helps.

 

B.E.

Many thanks B.E. this is an highly appreciated extra Bonus Information and shall certainly be of great help

Nils

Thanks B.E.

These are the comments I love between fellow members, I feel strong Supporting and know someone is actually reflecting my thoughts about Details. A Little handicap I momentarily have with all the naval ship related Features in english language. Pls excuse if I should not always find the correct nominations i.e in my buillog. I have meantime found an old sailors dictionary from Ebay with which I am happy at the Moment, but would Need to look up several nominations in your forestanding reply, allthough I think to see straight away what you meant. Please do`nt hesitate to use These and alike, it is very welcome, no Problem for me and in increasing my knowledge.

now some answers....

Rails finetunig, exactly, here it was also my intention to get the woodwork in place at this time to find a sturdy base for finetuning in a seperate session in some time afterwards.

Gangplanks versa ladders....

also exactly my thoughts when I saw your gangplank Fitting in the pics and which I liked and found nowhere else related to Swanclass. I thought I missed an important Feature when gathering Input. It is intended by myself to use the same Dimension stairs, rather than ladders same as other places between the decks. The Position of the first guns the required adequate angles of the stairs and the scaled size to suit the toughest sailor did spacewise not allow this on the gundeck and the naval inspector would not have approved this anyhow.

Ammendment to this: definately no, the new stairs intended fit nicely with sufficient space to the first under deck gun Tackling and the Tackling of the second gun. Shall provide Pictures when this Feature is ready

Fitting stove.....

yes this is in "the sponge" allready to a certain degree, having seen your stove some time ago I looked up what I could gather from the web, and found it a pitty that the foc`sle bulkhead should hide such eyecandy. So leaving this bulkhead away there was no reason especially with the slightly increased (filigrane framecutting I provide)deckhights, to not providing an open durable staircase for safe and quick Access. My thoughts on the stove have allready been gently cooking along for some time. When the time Comes, I would gladly refer to your splendid and very good looking self explaining Pictures of the stove.

Would love to Exchange more...., and looking Forward to futher comments

happy modeling

Nils

Lot 16 of my Pegasus buildlog

there are still so many to do, I could carry on everywhere, but have to organise the futher build carefully....

I prolonged the black wale-stripe into the bow area, took off the Little brass bird figure before and Need to replace it again

here is the Little duckie again...

self explaining

prefit of the namegiving figurehead, Chris Watton prefers resin as material, for shrinkage reasons, but still i`m mind pregnant with a brass Investment casting or so ( the sponge is still not soaked...)

how to do by simplest means

self explaining

doing a litte bit further here

I really am not pleased with the forecastle Access Little "pigion-ladders" squeased in between guns and forecastle aft bulhead as planed in the drawings, in lack of space, so here is my solution (B.E. Blue Ensign might be having a smile on his face allready)

Lot 15 of my Pegasus buildlog

rear Windows completed window Panels mounted, but badges remain removeable untill a later building sequence

the raw opening for the rudder shaft and a small centerbore allinged through all decks above has allready been done

sorry the pic could have been taken sharper

starting on bow decoration and woodwork there

These 3 beams should be strong enough...

have to protect somehow the aft cabin Windows from inside against sanding dust

view under rthe forecastle deck

a Little further on

Looks riged enough for adding the fine-work on to

the preliminary 8mm bow dowel fits in perfectly

Hi Eddie

if you should`nt allready have seen it.... tune in to U-Tube in a spot staring Gregory Peck and Anthony Quin " The Boston Man" in probably the best and breathtaking bluewater Gloucester fisher schoner races ever on film. Whoever is intending to model this type, shall be grooved in real quick in making up his mind afterwards.

Nils

Thanks for your words Eddie, I`m glad you like it

There will be some more Input from my behalf tomorrow during the day.....

By the way... I know now where I have seen Information of the "Elsie" you are building, it was many years ago in a book I have of Carlo Sciarelli, (unfortunetely not published any more) titeled "DIE YACHT" , published by Delius Klasing & Co. in Germany. I picked the Bluenose instead at that time because it came out from Billing Boats, sad to say it is still 3/4 completed but on the shelf. My wife is allway pushing me to complete it, before I start any other new Project.

Would love to see and follow your Project well proceeding as it moves towards the finishing line

Nils

Lot 14 of my Pegasus buildlog...

portside ready for applying silk black

ready done in the appropriate Areas

here the stand Comes into the game..., use pine Wood board combined with 1/4 hollow profiled Woods and rectangular stipes for below. All is varnished in 2-cover Cherrywood stain, this covered with silktouch clear varnish. The pedestals are made from very priceworthy old brass candleholders from the local fleamarkets around Hamburg area

only preliminary test on testing distances and lengths of Stand pedastel bolts

positional check for soldered "3D etch layers" onto fries Support

further positioning check, note the heights, the Amati plan template I find was too low in height

Ships Name and window panes permanently assembled

poop bulwarks increased in height and Support brackets mounted to the rear plate. One of the next days I shall Need to tackle Fitting out the Stern interior and the appropriate bulkhead Panels

things are moving on now. I think I will leave the brass character to the decorations and therefore pre-conserved the shiny brass surfaces with a coating of high gloss varnish

Lot 13 of my Pegasus buildlog...

when doing the window outcuts the inner Frame at this Position had to be partially removed, I left the lower remains Standing and used this for Fitting a  "3 side around the Stern" window shelf into the masters cabin

the upper of the two waleplanks is fitted at stb.

the lower waleplank on port side is permanently fixeed into place (edges pre blackend to ease later black silk varnishing of the waleplanks

upper port aft view

lucky for me the upper two pine stripes followed easy around the bow without breaking and just by prewetting with the toung. Use semi thicsotrope super acettate glue for this. I would not be able to provide Fingerprints after the Acetate session !

the tight fit grating has been removed here to give view to the aft donward staircase from gundeck to intermediate deck.

stb side Barrel slide supports and outer Boarding steps

likewise on portside. Here additional bits of planking were required, but I think they do`nt hinder the view into the hull

in the Moment I am questioning my brain how and where it would be best to fasten the deadeye tackle on in not desturbing the Riggung optics and view to the inside later on

Kevin

thanks for commenting the work on the badges, and also for that link to seawatch books, have filed and saved down this

. Trust that the next coming buildlog sections shall provide more Details on the Stern section

Nils

Mark

again many thanks for your advice concerning "Swanies" publications I shall do some digging in the web.

Yes, the keellaying of my build was 3rd April this year, but as I mentioned to Aldo in my reply some days ago, fortunately after my retirement I have the time to work in more or less steady flow. I`m intending to drop in one or two more reply Posts on my buildlog during the day

Nils

Hello B.E.

I would have liked answering to your Christian Name, obviously not known to the Forum comunity to date, but never the less highly appreciate and thank you in finding helpfull advice from such a knowledgable and talented  british naval ship model specialist. I thank you for your comments and confirm that you senced a bulls-eye hit for the intentions I may have had had along with this build. I picked the Swan Class vessel type because I fell in love with the lines, the not too difficult skill Level, the size it shall take in an selfmade glasscasing afterwards,  the reasonable Prices for Amati plan and the high precision Quality of the etched part Panels. I then started seeking Input , by doing so, also came across this superb Forum and was so lucky to find even detailed buildlogs of high skilled fellow builders. New to me was to see builds even in scale 1:48. So the idia was Born to, implement impressions of what (that could possibly be adopted to scale 1:64) should find into my own build. Unfortunately I found no literature nor publications on the internal Fittings. So what you see from my Pictures is referenced to notes I made when sighting These lovely open hull buildlog sequences I admire so much. I never had any layout plans for the individual decks except the Amati ones displaed in the plan. Usually I prefer scratch build Projects, so studying the Amati plan gave the innitial kick-off.

Also many thanks for your comments on the british naval gun Features, and please if you would`nt mind, I would appreciate  If you would kindly feel free drop a line whenever you like, if you should see Major deviations to historic Approach in the further sequences of my build. As the gun from the Pictures is only a Trial one and my mind was free to pickup impressions of naval guns out of the web, the protyp was made basicly for dimentional checks. I also intend to provide full sails rigging, knowing that my experience with recent tallship rigging i did is a different Story compared to 18 century rigging. So I`m starting to seek like a sponge for Input on this Feature as well.

Regards

Nils