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Daniel I made an interesting discovery. LED lights are brighter viewed from the top rather than the side. I researched this a little and found it is definitely true. This will add a degree of complexity to my lighting plan if I want uniform brightness. My plan for the side portholes is to mount the LEDs horizontally close to where the port hole will be. This will give maximum brightness through the port hole. However for the deck structure interior lights, that will be on the same circuit(s) using diodes, my plan was to mount them vertical in the deck inside the structures. This plan results in dimmer light shining through the windows and portholes compared to what eventually will shine through the hull portholes. So if I want uniform brightness I will need to mount them horizontal as well
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Daniel I made an interesting discovery. LED lights are brighter viewed from the top rather than the side. I researched this a little and found it is definitely true. This will add a degree of complexity to my lighting plan if I want uniform brightness. My plan for the side portholes is to mount the LEDs horizontally close to where the port hole will be. This will give maximum brightness through the port hole. However for the deck structure interior lights, that will be on the same circuit(s) using diodes, my plan was to mount them vertical in the deck inside the structures. This plan results in dimmer light shining through the windows and portholes compared to what eventually will shine through the hull portholes. So if I want uniform brightness I will need to mount them horizontal as well.
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Thank you Daniel. I will give it a look.
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Daniel I spend a lot of time perusing your build to get inspiration and ideas. I am curious, maybe fascinated, by this floor. What did you do to make it? Looks so similar to the original on the ship.
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Finished the planking of the three deck sections. Many will call me crazy for doing it but as you can see I did a herringbone pattern using 3mm x 6mm planks laid in opposite direction on the port and starboard sides. I also laid contrasting walnut planks down the center and outlining the edge of the decks. This is obviously not authentic but I want to venture outside the box on this build. The fore and aft deck sections are dry fitted at this point. A little more work to do below deck before I put them permanently in place. After I glue them in place I will add a coat of black paint followed by an additional coat of white paint to the underside. This will hopefully prevent light bleed through the thin deck from the LED below deck lighting I have planned.
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For my plan to light my Amerigo Vespucci I had an issue I needed to figure out. I am running two separate circuits for all the port hole lights on the two lower decks. I want some on, some off, or all on. I think this will give a more true display. However I have or will have interior lights in the deck structures (map room, fire control room, helm, etc. I want the lights in these structures to come on with either of the port hole circuits, not just one or the other. With Daniel’s guidance I discovered diodes in my elementary electrical skills. These little guys are perfect I making this circuit(s) plan work perfectly. Photo is just my test of how they work. The diodes are the little black cylinder shaped guys
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Daniel after reading your comment about OR with diodes I did some research, purchased some, and did a little test circuit. It works great. Thanks for the advice.
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Ok Daniel here is another curiosity I wonder if you experienced. I have installed and provided current to the 6 LEDs inside the structures on the main deck (stern end well, fire control room, and the two rooms on the side). These lights are on the same circuit as the deck lights on the outside if the structures. I think this is the same way you wired them. All 4 of these structures have port holes or holes in the doors. When the lights are on the exterior lights visually over power any light coming from the port holes. Basically my eyes can’t adjust to seeing both. I could put the interior lights on these structures, as well as the future structures A,B,C on a separate circuit but realistically I don’t think you would have the interior lights on and the exterior lights off. I am just scratching my head as to seeing light shine out the port holes on the deck structures. How is it on your’s? I am reading about the diode idea for OR and think what I would like to do is set up my circuits to have all the deck structure interior lights come on with either port hole circuit. Somewhat similar to what you talked about above for structure B, but for all the interior lights. Watching YouTube videos to try to understand how it is wired. Still confused.
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Definitely a lot of electrical wire going to the hull of my AV! Running wire for my future plan to have three separate circuits of LED lights. One is the deck lighting (green and yellow), two is selective port hole lighting on both decks (black and red), three is the other port holes not lit with circuit two (blue and white). The goal is to not have all port holes lit at the same time. Some on, some off, or all on. A forth circuit will be added eventually for the navigation lights and the distinctive mast lighting.
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Thanks Daniel. To be honest I have no idea what a diode is nor what I would need to do to wire it in my scheme. I just mentioned the additional circuit because I knew how to do that. Would you care to share a little more reference the diode idea?
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A little main deck work continuing. Stern walk finished with adding the two axe holders and fabricating firehose mounts which are not part of the OcCre kit. Fire hoses also added to the fire control center. A few more trinkets added here and there. Then will see where I want to go next.
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Excellent idea Daniel. I will be using at last one for every circuit. Rather than the diode idea would it work just as well to have a separate circuit for the internal lights of Structure B and the storage compartment of structure C? I could just turn that circuit on with either port hole light circuit.
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Well thank you Daniel. Just trying to immolate the great job you did! This diode situation I will surely need to study. Always appreciate your help and patience. On a side note Daniel, I found these handy little things on Amazon for making a sort of bus for my circuits. With these I can introduce one line (+/-) in and have 3 come out.
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Daniel I want to pick your brain a bit if you don’t mind too much. Again I am coping your work I am so impressed with. My curiosity deals with your lighting of the three structures I show as A, B, and C in the photo. The electrical logistics I have no problem with. I am just trying to figure out which lights are on which circuit? Structure A, You put LEDs in the ceiling. Is it on one of the two port hole circuits? Structure B: You have LEDs on the outside. I suspect you have those on the main deck light circuit. Which circuit do you have the interior lights? Structure C: I read in your building you separated the lighting into two separate circuits. One for the chart room and one for the storage room? Bill
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Continuing the deck lighting with the LED’s on the stern wall and the side rooms next to the fire control room.
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Working on building and wiring the fire control room. Following a plan using Daniel’s build along with the OcCre instructions and the online video tour of the ship. As I mentioned before I am going to step outside the box with my build and add some personal artistic license over complete authenticity. Since I will be installing LED lights inside the room I used the OcCre supplied doors with the small holes and further drilled the holes into the walls of the room. This will allow lighting from the interior to shine through these small holes as well as the port holes. Following the OcCre instructions I painted the vents gold. However after further review of the online tour I may remove the gold and paint them white just as Daniel did. The circuit that powers these lights will also power all the other main deck lights. I intend to add other elements to the outside walls of the room like fire hoses, etc.
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You’re the best helper Daniel. I so appreciate you.
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Oh OK Daniel thanks. Part 1: Did you just run around the ship by way of the virtual tour to find all the brass pieces? Part 2: Now that I know those are just LED lights I assume you made the little boxes they fit in setting on the deck? Bill
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Thanks Daniel. That is kind of what I expected. Do you have any idea what they are in real life? By the way Daniel I have been searching online for a LED spot light for the AV signature lights that shine up in the mast. Would you care to share what you used?
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Daniel I see you have added the piece circled in blue to the corners of the fire control room. They match why is in the corner in the online ship tour. Your’s are perfect little hour glass shapes. Are they something you made? I don’t see them as an OcCre part, nor do I see them in the instructions.
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Did some work designing and building my lighting board. The board will for now set to the side of the ship while the ship is under construction. The wiring will run from it to the ship. Some time next year, or who knows when, as I get close to the need to design the base I will incorporate it. My lighting board includes 4 circuits with each having an on/off switch and each having a voltage regulator so that I can adjust the voltage for the LED’s on that particular circuit. I will power the board with a 12v power brick that I can plug in. The four circuits I intend to run are: 1) Deck Lighting 2) One set of cabin lights 3) Second set of cabin lights (will be able to turn on one set of lights or the other, or both) 4) The famous AV night lighting and maybe the marker lights included on this circuit.
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Just a little bit of an update. Continue the planking of the deck sections. Finished the main deck. Also assembled and put primer on the white structures that will later will be put in place on the main deck. The back panel wall I divided it to produce the inset where the doors will be installed as it is on the actual AV. Following Daniel’s lead and the online virtual tour I filed grooves on top of the structures where LED lights will hang from the top of the walls. Also started soldering resistors to some of the LED lights I will use in this build.
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Gentlemen I enjoy so much setting here reading through your conversation as it happens. I think this is evidence of the detail accuracy we experienced builders try to replicate in our models. This much thought and discussion about the accurate way to display these tiny features is impressive. With each of my builds I hope to improve my skills and determination to this level.
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Glueing wooden model pieces
Bill97 replied to Bill97's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
So true Johnny. It has always been a practice of mine to anchor the fife rails and any other feature that will have pressure on it. The Amerigo Vespucci I am building, and asked about, is my second wood model. Before this one I built the OcCre Endeavour. So I am fine tuning my wood building techniques. Wefakck what you say is very true and something I had not thought of. That is how the instructions should have been. I suspect they did not think the average builder could nicely fit the planks around the structures. The three deck sections are to be planked, varnished, glued in place, and then start building and adding features. I may consider carefully removing the planking under the structures. Thanks guys for your excellent comments. -
Glueing wooden model pieces
Bill97 replied to Bill97's topic in Building, Framing, Planking and plating a ships hull and deck
Thanks again Gregory. I have used pinning solutions for fife rails and similar things. Small diameter dowels is an excellent idea. Yes please provide other examples you use. Always interested in adding new ideas to my notebook.
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