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Allan this photo is from the same point of view as the one you posted of your build except mine is from the port side. I am trying to see what I have different from your’s that would solve the riddle. One thing I see is my rope from the anchor to the howser hole is shorter. Don’t know that would make a difference. think I am going to move further toward the stern of the ship working on rigging of the main mast while I continue to study and seek help on this bumpkin shroud/cathead anchor riddle. Surly someone out there has the answer. For now the bow of my model will just look in disarray. I could just say the heck with it and rig it as OcCre instructs (who would really know or care) but as we have discovered it would not be correct.
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This is the drawing in the Anatomy of the Ship book by Marquardt. Showing the catheads inside the bumpkins. How would this have been possible for the anchor and rope not to have interfered with the bumpkin shrouds. Interesting
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OK Trevor and Allan you guys have given me good advice s far. I tinkered with the anchor situation good part f the day and have some progress, but also a head scratcher. I attached a few photos. I think I can successfully move the fish davits inboard on the forecastle. The end is in a ring that pivots. I basically lifted loose end up and rotated it forward on the bow out of the way where I can lash it to a timber. In this configuration the crew could raise the loose end and pivot it back to the side to use. It is an idea. I also rigged the anchor to the cathead with a double block with a hook. My issue here that I need additional thought on is the cathead is right beside the bumpkin. The bumpkin shrouds go down to points on the hull. See red lines in photos. If the anchor would be pulled up to the side of the bow it comes in contact with the bumpkin shroud. What might I have wrong?
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Thanks gentlemen. Sorry to have belabored such a small detail, but so appreciate your help. I am going to remove both fish davits, repair the area where it was, and find a convenient place to stow just one. Will show update when completed. Thanks again Bill
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Ok great. My curiosity kenchington was, as you stated above, the fish davits were stowed away when not actually in use. alpayed I am leaving the anchors at the bow. So my question was once the anchors were raised with the help of the fish davits and fixed in position was the fish davit then stowed away? From what you guys are saying I think it was. So if I have my anchors on the bow then the fish davits should be stowed away not sticking out as mine are now. I need to remove them and stow on deck somewhere.
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So Trevor I guess the easiest thing would be just to stow them on deck maybe. However I think I am confused. Are the fish davits just used to hoist the anchor and then stowed away once the anchor is locked in the weighed position or are they part of the weighed setup? Are they still helping to support the anchor the entire time it is secured on the side of the ship?
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Thanks Trevor. You have been extremely helpful.
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Thanks Trevor. So if I have my anchors weighed (is that the correct way to say it) I should have the fish tackle employed? I should rig the large hook into the ring of the anchor and then take the rope up to either the foremast or fore top mast head? I am assuming there would be the occasion where a rigging line would lay across the top of it as in my photo? The two lines are the spritsail clew (sail furled causes clew to be more inboard) and the fore course sail tack. Or I expect the tack may pass under it since it would be stationary unlike the spritsail clew that would move with the sail unfurled.
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Hey Allan, or anyone who might know. How is this thing rigged? In the AOTS this is the only diagram and reference to it. The OcCre instructions only show how to make it and where ti put it. No explanation in either as to what it is and what it is used for. It is called a Fish Davit. It is constructed in such a way that it can pivot inboard or outboard as in the photo. I have it made and installed on my ship but don’t know for sure what to do with it now. My other ships have a pair of davits used for the boats that are stationary. On the Endeavour there is just this one on each side. I cannot find reference to show where the thimble in the end of line 5 (short pendant with fish-hook) goes.
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Great job Marc on the coils. Always a pleasure just reading through your research and resulting build. Like yancovitch said, I am embarrassed to even post about my build. Maybe I should switch to macrame or jigsaw puzzles. 😊
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Same here my friend. 😀 Have a fantastic weekend. Hope your dad is doing well.
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Spent some time adding cleats to the shrouds. OcCre has the lines going down to the center “thing”. AOTS has some of the rigging lines going to cleats attached to shrouds.
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Very impressive Ab. I will definitely read through your tutorial. Glad to be on the receiving end of your advice. -
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Did not know that Ab. That is fascinating. How are you able together the paint so nice. I thought they were wood. -
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Ab are these photos of some of your builds? Absolutely beautiful! -
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thanks again Trevor. A lot of good information and advice. I know it is probably silly on my part but ever since I became a MSW member sharing my builds I try to be conscious of some accuracy. I envision posting photos of my build and a much more knowledgeable member saying t themselves “that is wrong, a ship would never be rigged like that”. Ian has been my go to for advice for several years. Appreciate all the help and advice you guys share. I know my furled sails need to have the “skin” pulled up tight over the cloth and I should adjust mine accordingly. By the way whenever I have a comment on my build from someone I had not seen before I like to check their profile to see where they live. Love your part of Canada. Been to Halifax a number of times. Especially like Peggy’s Cove. -
Thanks my friend. I am going with omit everything then. Just the sails I have furled to the yards. Still have to add the angled one on the back connected to the mizzen mast (forget right now what it is called).
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Paul have you been over to my Endeavour build to see how this turns out? -
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thank you Trevor. That is interesting and helpful. So are you saying I should set the stay sails and the jib to their stay and have the furled as well instead of leaving them off the ship? -
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Bill97 replied to Canada Steve's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
On my OcCre Endeavour I am going with all the sails furled on the yards with a lot of the rigging (clew, sheet, and tack) attached along with the buntlines rolled up with the sail. All the lines I am adding are tied at the appropriate belay point. My curiosity is the staysails. I see a number of photos of ships in this configuration. What comes of the rigging lines for the stay sails if the sail is not rigged to the stay? Are they just not there? I am trying to imagine the crew setting the stay sails including the rigging. How did they do it?
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Ian a general rigging question my friend. My plan at this point is not to add the staysails. I have seen several photos of the Endeavour replica and other square sail tall ships with out the staysail rigged. I assume this was often an option employed depending on conditions. My question is about what is done with the rigging lines that would be used on these sails? Are they somehow attached to the sail when it is set and the ropes then dropped to the belay points. Or are the ropes always there just not attached to the staysails? Similar question about the bowlines on the square sails. If I have them furled would they bowlines still be attached to the sail only extending from the end of the rolled up sail and still going to the belay points?
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1 year anniversary today of the day I started my OcCre Endeavour. Will also be the day officially shown on my medical record that I lost my mind! 🤪 Rigging this beauty in accordance with the AOTS is a job not meant for the faint of heart. All those ropes will be tied down to their appropriate location. This is just the fire mast and the bowsprit.
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Ok gentlemen I need your help once again. I am looking at the rigging of the spritsail. In particular I am looking at line #7 in the first photo (spritsail course sheet) and trying to determine the belay points of both ends of this line. I have scoured the Endeavour AOTS and the OcCre instructions. Photo 2 from the AOTS shows one end of it tying off at point 12 on the side. I can’t find anything showing where the other end of the line ties off. In my other builds I checked both ends of the sheet are located near each other. On my Victory one end is secure and the other end passes through a hole in the bulwark where it then tied off to a cleat on the inside of the bulwark.
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Marc you have any idea why the MSW site does this. I knew you didn’t react to my post 7 times in a 5 minute period 😀. This happens from time to time.
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