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Hi Rob,
I would trust Longridge and McKay but the top view does not show how many rows,  Four seems excessive compared to just one row down the centerline.    
 
As far as the railings, I would never trust Mamoli nor a few other kit makers without first confirming by checking contemporary based sources including Longridge and McKay as well as contemporary plans such as those on the Wiki Commons site and RMG Collections site. 
 
Thanks for sharing your build, it is delight to follow! 😀
 

Enjoy your new toy, Gary!

Well its been Twenty years since I purchase my Byrnes table saw. Brought one of his earlier one, when he first came out with them. Been happy with it every since. Felt like a kid waiting on Santa to bring my toy and put it under the tree. Of course it never did make it under the tree. 🤪 I did get a email from Jim saying that he was about ready to start mailing them out and not long after that the real boss sent me one saying it might be a couple of weeks out, and she was right.  I got a email from Donna, who is a outstanding Lady, letting me know that it was going to be a few week's longer before Jim  finally got them ready to be shipped out. Well lets say the next couple of week's were a lot like setting on pin's and needle's , and finally a big box arrived at the house.  It is a heck of a machine and has been the best investment in to the hobby.  Any way I saw Jim's new table top back in 2017, believe that when I noticed it, but wasn't till now July 2022, that I took my saw table top off and sent it back to Jim to be replaced with the bigger table top and it's outstanding, well worth the money and will get many years of use. Wish I had done this back in 2017 but some times a couple of months turns in to year's.  Its a outstanding  table top and not sure what else I can say and if you have the saw you know what and how good that machine really is. In fact all their machines are great. It really brings a lot more to the table and with the extra length one can put the sliding table on with out having to remove the fence, cut what you need, remove the sliding table  and go back to using you fence.  Its very easy to remove and replace the fence when using the sliding table before, but even better when you don't have to. Guess you can call me just a little on the lazy side. Donna was telling me about what they did to improve the table top  finish's which I have found to look nice but item's seem to slide easier on it.  Donna  said I was going to love the new top and she was 100 percent right. Of course didn't have the heart to tell her that I have been in love with that saw since I got it, hum maybe I did.🙄   If you thinking about replacing the table top then do it and if you can afford the saw get the one that has the 18 x 10 table top. Guarantee you will be a very very happy camper I am that's for sure. Another thing about Jim and Donna, great  great customer care and other then making outstanding machine, they really know how to pack them for shipping.  Gary

That would be a gross understatement....

Love the honesty in both your posts.  Fortunately there are several great kit makers that save the day.  Hopefully other members will give honest opinions about both the kit makers that put out a great product like Vanguard and as well as those that put out kits that barely resemble a real ship.
Allan
 
 
 
 

Egil,
First, welcome to MSW!!  It would be very polite of you to post an introduction and a little background on the new member forum.
 
I respectfully disagree with your assessment on RDL's expertise.  Studying everything available before and during a build is something everyone should do. Some folks have a working knowledge of the terminology many years before building a model due to their profession such as naval architects, merchant mariners, pleasure sailors, etc. While the planking workmanship on RDL's model is quite good, there is no reason to doubt he was a first timer.  For example his method of making the garboard strake is quite common, nothing expert about it.  If you closely study and follow the planking tutorials by Chuck Passaro and David Antscherl here at MSW, anyone can achieve an excellent planking job, first timer or not.   (I would avoid the tutorial by Dirk Debakker like the plague.  Great guy, terrible methodology)    Taking one's time to do things right, including do-overs, probably has more to do with a mind set than having experience.  Kit bashing to replace some of the stuff  kits provide is common as well.  
 
As to disappearing, keep in mind MANY of us at MSW are up in age.  Lord knows what might have happened since he last posted in 2013 and visited MSW in 2017.
 
Again,  welcome aboard!!
 
Allan
 
 
 

Hello, I've tested painting patterns on sails. An acrylic paint and brush were suggested in the instructions, but I preferred a simpler and more convenient method.
 

First, I tried stancil spraying.
 

It didn't work, unlike a plastic model. The reason is that a gap between fabric and windows doesn't stick tightly. Fabric itself is a very rough material unlike plastic parts.
 

Therefore, I purchased a clear gesso, which is commonly used for canvas painting. It'll seal the gap like a primer.
 

The result. Nice and clear.
 

I also tested a traditional fabric marker pen, but it heavily depends on the painter's drawing skills. 😂 
 

There are alternative ways to use the fabric marker. I use it to fill the back of the lacquer spray. Because fabric is flexible and it's hard to set up the stancil on both sides equally, I'll finish the back with the marker pen simply. It doesn't require drawing skills.  
 
 

 

If you plan to cover whole sail with the gesso for canvas, you should test it first. At least it isn't good idea to apply the gesso partially.

I worked in a small village, San Casciano (VP) but usually stayed in hotels in Firenze as the clients that traveled with me would usually bring a wife or girlfriend (never both on the same trip) and they would want to be in Florence while we went to work.  I also spent a lot of time at a company called Universal Pack in Cattolica not too far north of you.   Some of the best seafood in the world is in your area!! 
 
I just started to watch your whale boat videos and have learned something today, thank you for posting your methods.
 
You have an expert ship modeler across the country from you not far from Pisa that I plan to meet for lunch with our wives in September.  Check out his build log here at MSW.
 
Ciao Carlo
 
 
 

Buongiorno and welcome to MSW Carlo.  It is nice to see you promoting our hobby and showing folks your own methods such as the planking in your video. 
Where in Italy are you located?  I had the good fortune to work in Italy making numerous trips each year for over 30 years to Toscana and Lombardia.  No longer being able to visit your country as often is one thing I do not like about retiring.
Ciao
Allan

Welcome aboard Michael.  Thank you for that great introduction.
Allan

Welcome aboard Michael.  Thank you for that great introduction.
Allan

Conversely you can get sheet stock, the thickness of which is the same as the widest dimension of the plank itself and slit off planks with a small table saw such as a Byrnes if you have one.  If not, I would do as Walrusguy suggests and then slit planks with a scalpel as they are no doubt pretty thin planks.   Crown Timber used to be a great go-to for sheets of these species and many others before they closed their doors.  I am anxious to hear about other sources for pre-thicknessed sheets.
Allan

As you are replacing what they gave you in the kit, can you just do a count of each size (thickness, width and length) and then replace one for one?
Is this the Passaro designed model from MS?    I am curious to know what wood are you considering for the deck and what wood for the hull?
Allan

I worked in a small village, San Casciano (VP) but usually stayed in hotels in Firenze as the clients that traveled with me would usually bring a wife or girlfriend (never both on the same trip) and they would want to be in Florence while we went to work.  I also spent a lot of time at a company called Universal Pack in Cattolica not too far north of you.   Some of the best seafood in the world is in your area!! 
 
I just started to watch your whale boat videos and have learned something today, thank you for posting your methods.
 
You have an expert ship modeler across the country from you not far from Pisa that I plan to meet for lunch with our wives in September.  Check out his build log here at MSW.
 
Ciao Carlo
 
 
 

Buongiorno and welcome to MSW Carlo.  It is nice to see you promoting our hobby and showing folks your own methods such as the planking in your video. 
Where in Italy are you located?  I had the good fortune to work in Italy making numerous trips each year for over 30 years to Toscana and Lombardia.  No longer being able to visit your country as often is one thing I do not like about retiring.
Ciao
Allan

Thanks Masa,
I would like to get some and check it out but I have my doubts.   "A good thread count for microfiber sheets is anywhere between 200 and 800. Microfiber is known for its softness and sheets from this material tend to get softer every time they're washed. If you see thread counts of 800 or more, the manufacturer likely inflated the thread count. Some manufacturers twist their yarns for weaving, essentially doubling or more what the thread count would be in reality.
Thanks again
Allan

The bust generally only included the chest and head, no appendages.  The following are all from the RMG Collections site.
The first photo is the bust on a third rate of about 1813
The next is a drawing of a bust of about 1805
The last is a figure head on the model of the Hercules or Thunderer  circa 1860
 Allan


 

 

I worked in a small village, San Casciano (VP) but usually stayed in hotels in Firenze as the clients that traveled with me would usually bring a wife or girlfriend (never both on the same trip) and they would want to be in Florence while we went to work.  I also spent a lot of time at a company called Universal Pack in Cattolica not too far north of you.   Some of the best seafood in the world is in your area!! 
 
I just started to watch your whale boat videos and have learned something today, thank you for posting your methods.
 
You have an expert ship modeler across the country from you not far from Pisa that I plan to meet for lunch with our wives in September.  Check out his build log here at MSW.
 
Ciao Carlo
 
 
 

Buongiorno and welcome to MSW Carlo.  It is nice to see you promoting our hobby and showing folks your own methods such as the planking in your video. 
Where in Italy are you located?  I had the good fortune to work in Italy making numerous trips each year for over 30 years to Toscana and Lombardia.  No longer being able to visit your country as often is one thing I do not like about retiring.
Ciao
Allan

Peanut,
For future reference, the following may be of interest to you and others.    I have no doubt there were differences from boat yard to boat yard, and era to era, but a sample of the information at The Art of Making Masts, Yards, Gaffs, Booms, Blocks and Oars as Practised in the Royal Navy and According to the Most Approved Methods in the Merchant Service, 2nd edition, printed for Steel and Goddard, London, in 1816  follows:
Ships' sweeps and oars are made of hand-masts, or rafters, as per table. They should be chosen straight-grained, free from large knots, shakes, or rind-galls. They are first sawed, or jammed in a snatch-block, and hewed nearly to their size; then raised on horses, and completed by the drawing-knife, spoke-shave, or plane. Open handles are nailed to the sides of the loom in the direction of the flat of the blade, made of oak, about one inch and three-quarters deep, and two inches and one-quarter thick, hollowed to admit the hand easy between that and the loom: the length of the handle is one-third the length of the loom.

                                                                    DIMENSIONS OF SHIPS' SWEEPS & OARS For a  36 Gun Frigate
                                      Lengths                       Loom                   Blade                   Handle
            Sweep  Handle Loom Body  Blade    Square        Broad         Thick         Diameter        
                                                                                     Inner  Outer  Inner  Outer
              44′      1′10″  16′ 8″ 11′ 0″ 14′6″     5 ¾″      5"           11″     4 ¾″  1 ½″     1 ¾″  
Barges and lighters', and ships' boats', oars are made of fir-rafters, similar to ships', without handles to the sides of the loom.
                                                                            DIMENSIONS OF SHIPS' BOATS’ OARS 
Lengths                       Loom                   Blade                    Handle
            Sweep  Handle Loom Body  Blade    Square[1]       Broad         Thick           Diameter        
                                                                                     Inner  Outer  Inner  Outer
                                                                                       16 Foot Cutter (6 foot beam)
              19′      0′ 10″    5′ 0"   7′2″    6’ 0″     3 7/8″    3″          6″     2 ¾″    7/8″             1 ¾″
 
                                                                                 25’ Cutter and 28’ Pinnace (7 foot beam)
              20′      0′ 10″    6′ 0″   6′ 10″  6′ 4″       4″      3 1/8″    6 1/8″ 2 7/8″  7/8″          1 ¾″
 
                                                                                    30’ Barge  (9 foot beam)
              21′       1′0″     8′6″    4′6″   7′0″       4″      3 1/8″    6 1/4″ 2 7/8″  7/8″               1 ¾″
 
  [1] The looms of boats' oars were often made round.
 
 

Hi Kev,
Great catch! Horses were indeed in use on British ship's boats from the mid 18th century due to the problem with the sheets getting in the way of the tiller.   It was put on the transom as you show.  Remember that a double block had holes side by side unless they used long tackle blocks which had holes one above the other.  Perhaps this is what was on the Bounty launch.   I realize the kit calls the boat a jolly boat, but if this is supposed to be the boat on which Bligh sailed away, it would be a launch which was bigger than a jolly boat and constructed much differently.   As mentioned in your other post Artesania Latina sells the same kit in different packaging and calls it the Captain boat for the Spanish ship San Juan Nupomuceno  
 
As suggested in your other post, if you go to the free download of Steel's Elements of Rigging and go to boat rigging chapter you will find a lot of contemporary details on rigging your boat although it is a bit confusing and as it sends you back and forth referencing one boat as a guide for others until you eventually get to what you want.  Still it does have a lot of information you may be able to use now or on future projects.    https://maritime.org/doc/steel/
Cheers
 
Allan
 
 

Yes, it's a strange technique I admit that. I would do some steps slightly differently but yes, it might be a very nice technique for small scales. 
The bulkheads were removed after completing the outer planking. 
 
Thank you Allan 😃
Carlo

I found another fabric I purchased at a local store long ago. In general, the spec of this cotton fabric is one of the top in my country, although the other cotton fabrics I tested before had the same spec. Because different countries use different scales, especially on cloth area, I can't simply convert the spec of the fabric to TC. (I don't know how to calculate it.) 
 


Isn't it interesting?

I worked in a small village, San Casciano (VP) but usually stayed in hotels in Firenze as the clients that traveled with me would usually bring a wife or girlfriend (never both on the same trip) and they would want to be in Florence while we went to work.  I also spent a lot of time at a company called Universal Pack in Cattolica not too far north of you.   Some of the best seafood in the world is in your area!! 
 
I just started to watch your whale boat videos and have learned something today, thank you for posting your methods.
 
You have an expert ship modeler across the country from you not far from Pisa that I plan to meet for lunch with our wives in September.  Check out his build log here at MSW.
 
Ciao Carlo
 
 
 

Buongiorno and welcome to MSW Carlo.  It is nice to see you promoting our hobby and showing folks your own methods such as the planking in your video. 
Where in Italy are you located?  I had the good fortune to work in Italy making numerous trips each year for over 30 years to Toscana and Lombardia.  No longer being able to visit your country as often is one thing I do not like about retiring.
Ciao
Allan