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Jaager got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in Thoughts on wood supply.
Black Cherry is the common name for Prunus serotina. I see that you are west coast US. The growing range for the tree is, I think eastern US. It grows tall, straight and can have a fairly thick trunk.
It is sort of pinkish when cut - or darker. Components (I think poly phenols) oxidize over time to a dark red. It is prized as a furniture wood. The fruit is not eaten often -small and mostly seed. The bark was/is used to make wild cherry syrup - an old time vehicle for liquid medicines compounded in local pharmacies. Birds do eat the fruit and spread the seeds. It often grows as a volunteer in fence rows.
The tree that grows commercial cherries is usually too small to make it worth harvest as timber. I tree that I harvested - way back when, was similar to Black Cherry in texture and hardness, but it was yellow green and did not darken. It would serve our uses as far as its physical properties, but not yield the distinctive color of Black Cherry.
So, to answer your question, it is likely that any hardwood lumber listed as Cherry is indeed Black Cherry. The seller that lists it as simply "Cherry" is missing a free selling point by omitting the "Black".
As much as I like Black Cherry, to be fair, Pear (Pyrus communis) is a step above for our uses. The color is similar but I think less intense. The grain is less obvious. It does not have the very dark inclusions that are common in Black Cherry. It is my impression that this Pear has fruit that is only of interest to wild critters. It is primarily a European citizen that it is often a weed. And here in the US it is used as root stock for commercial Pear varieties. This keeps it short and likely smallish in diameter.
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Jaager got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in Thoughts on wood supply.
The open pore species are not species that work at all well for the scales that we use. That is Oak, Ash, Hickory, Walnut, Willow.
The species that are useful, Black Cherry, Hard Maple, Yellow Poplar are not difficult to obtain.
I am guessing that your source is a furniture or flooring operation and these are the defect sections.
Were you a fellow model ship builder, you would be golden for your own supply.
Now, if any of that is Apple and reasonable shipping is in play, we can talk. I can handle your stock as is.
Even if you have the tools that Chuck describes and you were to open a Web business offering custom sized strip and sheet wood, unless you offer the species with cachet. it would be a struggle.
Even if you could obtain true Boxwood, or its tropical substitute Castello, your net return would have be lucky to cover minimum wage, much less a reasonable compensation for skilled labor.
If you supply your geographical location, there may be a near by scratch builder willing to pick over your stock and pay - say ~$3 bdf - less the defects.
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Jaager got a reaction from Canute in Spindle sanders
Don,
I did "bodge one together" but it cost a lot more than "just a few bucks".
The oscillation action was one that I could see no advantage in having and it provided the potential addition of a lot of precision problems with the up/down motion.
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My primary use for it is to shape bevels on frames.
A deck beam or stem needs a precise 90 degree to the medium working surface. Here, an accurate table is important.
For frames, a table just gets in the way.
I do not like using sanding sleeves. The medium is expensive. The vendors are limited, so too is the choice of grit. I do not trust the method that holds them. Compression of a hard rubber rod can produce an out of round cutting surface.
I found a series of sleeveless sanding drums. The largest diameter is 3", but this size comes 3" tall and 6" tall. (4.5" is pointless) . There are others with smaller diameters - also 3" tall. There is a shorter one with 1/2" diameter and if the rubber backing is removed, it is 1/4". (Inside curves)
For fresh cutting surface, I move the work, not the sanding surface.
I built my first one using a seriously under powered motor that had on hand. It did not perform all that well, but I learned several things not to do.
Things I learned:
A 1/3 HP motor does the job, but any less power probably will not.
A 1/2HP would meet any challenge. However, it is large, heavy, and significantly more expensive. (I was able to suppress my inner Tim Allen on this point.)
This is where the expense comes in.
TEFC, CW/CCW, a drum switch to reverse the rotation. A quality motor may well cost more than an economy spindle sander.
What makes it worth the additional expense:
The motor will have a 1/2" straight shaft. Adapters and chucks are easy to fit. Any cutter, burr, grinder, microplane, heavy duty flex shaft that has a round mount can be used with it. Being able to reverse the cutting direction is very useful. (I discovered that heavy duty flex shafts do not like to have their rotation reversed - from reading the lit, not burnout.)
The commercial spindle sanders that I have investigated all use compression fit sleeves and the mount to the motor shaft is proprietary so no third party cutters will fit. The belt sander option is neat, but I bought a HF 3x36 dedicated belt sander for ~$50 with the 20% coupon.
The process generates an unbelievable volume of dust. To save burning out the motor from wood flour in the windings I use a TEFC motor.
Enclosing the motor in a box is a bad idea. The heat needs to get away from the motor. Two sides to hold the table. Two side open.
Bottom plywood plate that mounts the motor has a big hole that is the diameter of the motor.
I have a sheet of fiber board, with a 1/2" hole in the center just above the motor. It blocks sawdust from getting to the motor.
A big drill press will hold the sanding drum, but I am tall and the motor blocks my view, so a motor on the bottom is necessary.
A good sight line is important. Lots of light is important. A way to hold the intake nozzle port for a powerful shop vac in a dependable fixed position is necessary. A cyclone trap between the vac and the nozzle is necessary unless you like clearing or replacing Vac filters frequently.
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Jaager got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in I have decided to build a steam box.
Heavy duty bending equipment suggests serious bending is contemplated.
I apologize for the inappropriate anthropomorphic terminology, it just is easier.
Wood wants to bend thru the thin dimension.
But for sharp bends pay attention to the grain, if it is not parallel it may delaminate.
Wood does not want to bend thru the thick dimension. It will try to spring back forever. It will tend to twist.
This means that for parts like rails, it is a better choice to follow prototype practice. The method is to spill the shape from a much wider plank and assemble it in pieces. Most kits do not supply the necessary wide stock, so a third party supplier is needed.
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Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in Hobby Knife Preference?
Focusing on the #11 shape cutter:
This is about as individual preference and what you are used to subject as it gets.
A quick view at Widget Supply comes up with:
Fiskars 167000 Softgrip Ergonomic Detail Knife - comfortable in my hand
X-ACTO X3254 Black Ergonomic Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
X-ACTO X3627 Black Gripster Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
Fiskars 167110 Heavy Duty Knife
Excel 16019 K18 BLUE Soft Grip Knife
These want a superior quality steel blades - usually sold per #100
Scalpel blades - sharp, excellent steel funky attachment.
Several sizes of handle, but long term hand comfort seems a low priority in design.
Sterility and not being a microorganism dispenser seems to dominate design.
The ultimate is Violin-Makers knives
Several widths
no handles - sort of like holding a pencil
It is as sharp as you strop.
Expensive - once in a lifetime - several choices for cutting edge length
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Jaager reacted to mtaylor in Help for beginners
Welcome to MSW, Marty.
If you'll go to the top of this area, you'll find this: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/13703-for-beginners-a-cautionary-tale/ along with several other pinned posts to help you on your way.
Also, each section has pinned posts. For example, in the Kit Builds area, there post on how to set up a log, etc.
I hope this helps.
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in I have decided to build a steam box.
Heavy duty bending equipment suggests serious bending is contemplated.
I apologize for the inappropriate anthropomorphic terminology, it just is easier.
Wood wants to bend thru the thin dimension.
But for sharp bends pay attention to the grain, if it is not parallel it may delaminate.
Wood does not want to bend thru the thick dimension. It will try to spring back forever. It will tend to twist.
This means that for parts like rails, it is a better choice to follow prototype practice. The method is to spill the shape from a much wider plank and assemble it in pieces. Most kits do not supply the necessary wide stock, so a third party supplier is needed.
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in Hobby Knife Preference?
Focusing on the #11 shape cutter:
This is about as individual preference and what you are used to subject as it gets.
A quick view at Widget Supply comes up with:
Fiskars 167000 Softgrip Ergonomic Detail Knife - comfortable in my hand
X-ACTO X3254 Black Ergonomic Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
X-ACTO X3627 Black Gripster Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
Fiskars 167110 Heavy Duty Knife
Excel 16019 K18 BLUE Soft Grip Knife
These want a superior quality steel blades - usually sold per #100
Scalpel blades - sharp, excellent steel funky attachment.
Several sizes of handle, but long term hand comfort seems a low priority in design.
Sterility and not being a microorganism dispenser seems to dominate design.
The ultimate is Violin-Makers knives
Several widths
no handles - sort of like holding a pencil
It is as sharp as you strop.
Expensive - once in a lifetime - several choices for cutting edge length
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Jaager got a reaction from Canute in I have decided to build a steam box.
Heavy duty bending equipment suggests serious bending is contemplated.
I apologize for the inappropriate anthropomorphic terminology, it just is easier.
Wood wants to bend thru the thin dimension.
But for sharp bends pay attention to the grain, if it is not parallel it may delaminate.
Wood does not want to bend thru the thick dimension. It will try to spring back forever. It will tend to twist.
This means that for parts like rails, it is a better choice to follow prototype practice. The method is to spill the shape from a much wider plank and assemble it in pieces. Most kits do not supply the necessary wide stock, so a third party supplier is needed.
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Jaager got a reaction from catopower in Hobby Knife Preference?
Focusing on the #11 shape cutter:
This is about as individual preference and what you are used to subject as it gets.
A quick view at Widget Supply comes up with:
Fiskars 167000 Softgrip Ergonomic Detail Knife - comfortable in my hand
X-ACTO X3254 Black Ergonomic Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
X-ACTO X3627 Black Gripster Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
Fiskars 167110 Heavy Duty Knife
Excel 16019 K18 BLUE Soft Grip Knife
These want a superior quality steel blades - usually sold per #100
Scalpel blades - sharp, excellent steel funky attachment.
Several sizes of handle, but long term hand comfort seems a low priority in design.
Sterility and not being a microorganism dispenser seems to dominate design.
The ultimate is Violin-Makers knives
Several widths
no handles - sort of like holding a pencil
It is as sharp as you strop.
Expensive - once in a lifetime - several choices for cutting edge length
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Jaager got a reaction from thibaultron in I have decided to build a steam box.
Heavy duty bending equipment suggests serious bending is contemplated.
I apologize for the inappropriate anthropomorphic terminology, it just is easier.
Wood wants to bend thru the thin dimension.
But for sharp bends pay attention to the grain, if it is not parallel it may delaminate.
Wood does not want to bend thru the thick dimension. It will try to spring back forever. It will tend to twist.
This means that for parts like rails, it is a better choice to follow prototype practice. The method is to spill the shape from a much wider plank and assemble it in pieces. Most kits do not supply the necessary wide stock, so a third party supplier is needed.
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Jaager got a reaction from Matt D in Hobby Knife Preference?
Focusing on the #11 shape cutter:
This is about as individual preference and what you are used to subject as it gets.
A quick view at Widget Supply comes up with:
Fiskars 167000 Softgrip Ergonomic Detail Knife - comfortable in my hand
X-ACTO X3254 Black Ergonomic Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
X-ACTO X3627 Black Gripster Knife - Safety Cap - Type A
Fiskars 167110 Heavy Duty Knife
Excel 16019 K18 BLUE Soft Grip Knife
These want a superior quality steel blades - usually sold per #100
Scalpel blades - sharp, excellent steel funky attachment.
Several sizes of handle, but long term hand comfort seems a low priority in design.
Sterility and not being a microorganism dispenser seems to dominate design.
The ultimate is Violin-Makers knives
Several widths
no handles - sort of like holding a pencil
It is as sharp as you strop.
Expensive - once in a lifetime - several choices for cutting edge length
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Jaager reacted to Bob Cleek in I want a good modelers saw
Why is a Ferrari better than a Corvette? :D There is no comparison between any of the Byrnes Model Machines (I have all three) and anything else on the market. (I've pretty much seen them all.) Read all the reviews on this forum, and others. I've never seen anything other than rave reviews on Byrnes tools.
As for the saw,
1. Quality of construction is unsurpassed. The fit and finish is perfection. There isn't a piece of plastic anywhere on the thing, except maybe the insulation on the power cord and the shop vacuum hose spud. They are made in a small workshop by a master machinist, not a mass production factory with unskilled labor, and it really shows.
2. The machine is made of CNC-machined parts and nobody else can match its accuracy tolerances. Order one with the micrometer fence adjustment, the machine's tolerances are finer than your eyesight.
3. Order the cross-cut table, and you will have a machine that can do whatever you need in terms of straight cuts in wood or light metals at a level of precision you can't get anywhere else.
4. The saw takes four inch blades. Most all of the competitors take three inch blades. The extra inch of cutting capacity alone should convince anyone the Byrnes saw is the one to have.
5. It has much more power than the other micro-saws. This is very significant. The other saws can zip through balsa and basswood as well as a Byrnes saw, but when it comes to hard woods, they often struggle. The Byrnes saw isn't a "hobby tool," it's a very serious piece of professional grade machinery.
6. It's made in the USA and you can pick up the phone and actually talk to the guy who makes them. When ordering, you can have your saw configured exactly as you wish, e.g. extended table, tilt table, accessory choices, and end up with a "bespoke" machine. If you call, I'm sure Jim Byrnes will be happy to advise you how to best configure your saw to do exactly what you want to do with it.
7. How often do you buy a tool that makes you feel good just looking at it? The Byrnes saw is the Purdey shotgun of small table saws.
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Jaager got a reaction from davyboy in How to stain or dye boxwood?
Based on the necessary mechanisms, to support a claim that their product can penetrate, at least part of the formulation would need to be a dye as well as larger pigment particles that intercalate with a surface polymerized binder. In theory, it should yield a higher quality result than a semi transparent paint alone. However, any surface coating of pigment in a binder seems like an insult to high quality wood. Wait a tick ,,,, given the quality of the wood species provided in most mass market kits, an obscuring surface stain would be an improvement there.
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Jaager got a reaction from Bill Morrison in Red Jacket by MrBlueJacket - FINISHED - BlueJacket Shipcrafters - Scale 1/8" = 1' (1:96)
I bought the Sea Gull plans for Red Jacket and started the lofting. The plans are 1/8" : 1'. I loft at 1/4", but man! this is a huge ship. The hull at the main deck is close to 250 feet long. I do 1:60 and while anyone mad enough to build her at 1/4" would start with a 5.2 foot long hull less spars, at 1:60 , it is
a daunting 4.2 foot beast.
Wm Crothers' plans are still available - they are pretty detailed, but since they are drawn to support both solid hull and POF, I would not be surprised if Blue Jacket did not use Crothers as a basis for their plans. Red Jacket has specific entries in his The American-Built Clipper Ship.
You will have quite a project there even at 1/8" scale, which is close to being in the miniature realm .
Wood Craft has some pretty thin veneer of Maple, Cherry and other species that scale to 1:96 OK, so might consider planking the hull and choosing an anti-fouling paint color wood for the submerged part of the hull. This would add additional time for the build.
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in How to stain or dye boxwood?
I apologize for any perceived insult. We have a lot of inexperienced modelers here and I was reflecting back to the time when I zero knowledge and did not know what I did not know.
Now, about your possible block species in the UK, is the wood that makes briar pipes domestic for you? The sections they discard because it is not burl should work. Is there not some sort of weed hedge with really hard wood? Any of it close to you? Do you have any Dogwood species? It is really dense wood.
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Jaager got a reaction from mtaylor in How to stain or dye boxwood?
Based on the necessary mechanisms, to support a claim that their product can penetrate, at least part of the formulation would need to be a dye as well as larger pigment particles that intercalate with a surface polymerized binder. In theory, it should yield a higher quality result than a semi transparent paint alone. However, any surface coating of pigment in a binder seems like an insult to high quality wood. Wait a tick ,,,, given the quality of the wood species provided in most mass market kits, an obscuring surface stain would be an improvement there.
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Jaager got a reaction from tkay11 in How to stain or dye boxwood?
Based on the necessary mechanisms, to support a claim that their product can penetrate, at least part of the formulation would need to be a dye as well as larger pigment particles that intercalate with a surface polymerized binder. In theory, it should yield a higher quality result than a semi transparent paint alone. However, any surface coating of pigment in a binder seems like an insult to high quality wood. Wait a tick ,,,, given the quality of the wood species provided in most mass market kits, an obscuring surface stain would be an improvement there.
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Jaager got a reaction from tkay11 in How to stain or dye boxwood?
I apologize for any perceived insult. We have a lot of inexperienced modelers here and I was reflecting back to the time when I zero knowledge and did not know what I did not know.
Now, about your possible block species in the UK, is the wood that makes briar pipes domestic for you? The sections they discard because it is not burl should work. Is there not some sort of weed hedge with really hard wood? Any of it close to you? Do you have any Dogwood species? It is really dense wood.
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Jaager got a reaction from Gregory in How to stain or dye boxwood?
I apologize for any perceived insult. We have a lot of inexperienced modelers here and I was reflecting back to the time when I zero knowledge and did not know what I did not know.
Now, about your possible block species in the UK, is the wood that makes briar pipes domestic for you? The sections they discard because it is not burl should work. Is there not some sort of weed hedge with really hard wood? Any of it close to you? Do you have any Dogwood species? It is really dense wood.
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Jaager got a reaction from Archi in How to stain or dye boxwood?
I apologize for any perceived insult. We have a lot of inexperienced modelers here and I was reflecting back to the time when I zero knowledge and did not know what I did not know.
Now, about your possible block species in the UK, is the wood that makes briar pipes domestic for you? The sections they discard because it is not burl should work. Is there not some sort of weed hedge with really hard wood? Any of it close to you? Do you have any Dogwood species? It is really dense wood.
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Jaager got a reaction from Canute in How to stain or dye boxwood?
I apologize for any perceived insult. We have a lot of inexperienced modelers here and I was reflecting back to the time when I zero knowledge and did not know what I did not know.
Now, about your possible block species in the UK, is the wood that makes briar pipes domestic for you? The sections they discard because it is not burl should work. Is there not some sort of weed hedge with really hard wood? Any of it close to you? Do you have any Dogwood species? It is really dense wood.
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Jaager got a reaction from Canute in How to stain or dye boxwood?
Based on the necessary mechanisms, to support a claim that their product can penetrate, at least part of the formulation would need to be a dye as well as larger pigment particles that intercalate with a surface polymerized binder. In theory, it should yield a higher quality result than a semi transparent paint alone. However, any surface coating of pigment in a binder seems like an insult to high quality wood. Wait a tick ,,,, given the quality of the wood species provided in most mass market kits, an obscuring surface stain would be an improvement there.
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Jaager got a reaction from Frank Burroughs in How to stain or dye boxwood?
It is to scream in frustration! The use of jargon with this causes confusion about which agents to use.
A stain - the noun - applies to a semi transparent paint. It does not penetrate wood. It sits on the surface. It is largish pigment particles in a binder.
A dye - is near single molecule pigment. It actually enters into the wood and becomes part of it. As commonly found, the pigment is either dissolved in water or alcohol.
The water based version penetrates more deeply but also can swell surface wood fibers (raise the grain).
The alcohol based version penetrates not as deep, but does not affect the wood surface.
Small boxwood blocks - depth of penetration is not something that can be seen, so alcohol is probably the more efficient version.
If you buy a small quantity of red and black dye. An endless variety of shades of brown is possible by adjusting the relative ration of the two solutions.
Even more variety is possible if a brown pigment is in the mix. In any case, a little black goes a long way.
Test on scrap. This is both more tricky than is first imagined and messy - gloves - skin will dye too and it takes a few days for dyed cells to be shed.
Once you have the desired shade, the intensity can be less by adding more alcohol.
To finish, use a coat of clear shellac on the dyed blocks.
Or you could leap to the final stage by doing what the original Navy Board modelers did. Use garnet color shellac on the raw boxwood. First coat, 1/2 strength, second coat full strength.
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Jaager reacted to allanyed in How to stain or dye boxwood?
Jaager, I think you missed a little bit. Considering the open grained walnut, --in many, not all, kits ---not even an obscuring surface stain will fix that problem. Any close grained wood would really be a huge help. Cost of course is a factor, but there has to be better choices for the same price or a price that is reasonably close.
Allan