Doreltomin

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Name the Ship:
 

 
I think it's safe to say she's English.    Known by two names, either will be accepted. Good luck.

Good day to you
There has actually been built a fullscale windwagon by som guys here in Sweden. They had a background as volunteers in building the ship "Göteborg" and found some information about a design by Thomas Smith, who built the original in 1853.
When ready they used the wagon named "Astrakan" and sailed through the Nevada desert to the film festíval "Burning man" 2012
Look in youtube - search "windwagon"
 

Did some hull detailing and bowsprit rigging, then encountered a problem due to a deficiency of prior planning. 

 
Two piece hull, separated. Note the gammoning at the bowsprit to the stem, and the bobstay and bowsprit shrouds.
 

 
Two piece hull, assembled. Bobstay and shrouds are rigged to eye bolts in the hull with .010 in. (0.25mm) diameter eyes made from 36 gauge (.0055 in./0.14mm) wire.
 

 
Here's my problem. I tried to pass the upper hull through the bottle neck knowing there would be contact with the inside of the neck at the top edges of the bulwarks and the lower corners - just enough contact to hold the hull in place for this photo. What I didn't see in my planning was that there will not be room for channels attached at the top edge of the lower black strake, as you can see here. The gap there, strake to bottle, might be as much as .020 in./0.5mm.
 
Fortunately, Ogallala is my own design and after considering my options I've decided to move the shrouds to the top of the bulwarks without channels as was done on boats. I think (hope?) this will solve my problem and not cause another later. We shall see. I know better than to plan for a "close fit" - but did it anyway. This will learn me.
 
Dave

Thank you all for your comments and likes. 
 
The wheels were outside my experience in ship modelling but easier than expected and fun to make.  I'm glad I reduced the number and increased the size of the spokes from my initial drawing (24 spoke rear and 18 spoke front).
 
I almost forgot to verify that the rear wheel and axle assembly will pass through the bottle neck. I measured and calculated and measured again but hadn't physically tried it -- until now.
 

 
 

 

Thank you, Bob and Michael (and the lurkers who don't comment or even hit "like" from time to time  ), for your continued interest and support.
 
 

 
Where I am; moving ahead with spars, hull, carriage and wheels.
 
 

 
Photo montage of assembling an eighteen spoke wheel. Clockwise from upper left:  fixture and pattern, and the spoke cut-off station; calculating, cutting and fitting the first three spokes to the same length is important as it makes fitting the rest much easier; fitting some of the intermediate spokes allows the builder to visually check spoke spacing and make adjustments as work progresses; fitting more spokes in the spaces - half way done with this wheel; hurrah, one spoke left; two eighteen spoke rear wheels (1.060 in. / 27mm dia.) and two fourteen spoke front wheels (.860  in. / 22mm dia.) fabricated and ready for a little paint touch-up, further detailing and mounting on the axles.
 
 

 
Close-up of the two piece hull posed for a photo with axles and other carriage components. Strips of black construction paper were glued around the rims to replicate the shrink-fit iron tires. Carbon fiber pins (.020 in. / 0.5mm dia.) were glued into holes drilled through each wheel hub into the ends of the axle to reinforce the glued connection. The black strakes at the sheer line are glued in place; three more (on each side) to go. They seem to take more time to prepare than the wheels did.
 
 

 
Macro of Fore (to right) and Main masts, tops and topmasts. The tops were fabricated from .015 in. x .030 in. (0.4mm x 0.8mm) plywood strips.
 
 

Dave
 

Hi Druxey and Woodrat, 
 
Thanks for asking precisely the question I was about to put myself! These ships are indeed truly confusing and without having at least one real example under our nose all this discussion may remain just pure speculation. However, it is very interesting that your model makes us put such good questions and trying find the correct answer. As one friend here on the MSW puts it so nicely, it's not only the model itself, it's mainly the knowledge we gain when building it! 

Is it a Russian Pernov type torpedo boat.
 
From what I can tell they only have numbers, no names?
 
Slog

Sorry Captain, that was not a Russian but a French ship. Congratulations Jan!
 
You are perfectly right, see the attached nameplate. That's indeed the Kabyle, "torpilleur de haute mer" of the Type Agile, built by the same Chantiers et Forges de la Mediteranee, la Seyne in 1892 and scrapped in 1911 in Toulon. 
 
Your turn!
 
 

Which makes it an early French torpedo boat.
I'm on the hunt....
 
Jan

Hi Druxey and Woodrat, 
 
Thanks for asking precisely the question I was about to put myself! These ships are indeed truly confusing and without having at least one real example under our nose all this discussion may remain just pure speculation. However, it is very interesting that your model makes us put such good questions and trying find the correct answer. As one friend here on the MSW puts it so nicely, it's not only the model itself, it's mainly the knowledge we gain when building it! 

Hello Doris, 
 
May this New Year 2014 bring you good health, and happiness, and joy, and whatever you wished for 2013 and it did not show off true, let it show this year!
 
Best wishes and keep us posted with your stunning work!  For me, your models are truly inspiring... please keep the pictures coming!
 
Warm regards from the Black Sea shoreline,
Dorin. 

Hi Druxey and Woodrat, 
 
Thanks for asking precisely the question I was about to put myself! These ships are indeed truly confusing and without having at least one real example under our nose all this discussion may remain just pure speculation. However, it is very interesting that your model makes us put such good questions and trying find the correct answer. As one friend here on the MSW puts it so nicely, it's not only the model itself, it's mainly the knowledge we gain when building it! 

Hello Jan, 
 
Happy New Year 2014! As for the old bridge in the harbour of Marseille, I would quote a character from a famous cartoon movie (to name it, Tom & Jerrie) saying "Touche, Pussy Cat!" 

Hello Doris, 
 
May this New Year 2014 bring you good health, and happiness, and joy, and whatever you wished for 2013 and it did not show off true, let it show this year!
 
Best wishes and keep us posted with your stunning work!  For me, your models are truly inspiring... please keep the pictures coming!
 
Warm regards from the Black Sea shoreline,
Dorin. 

Hello, 
 
Interesting subject and interesting question. However, have you thought, as our friend Nenad has put it previously, that masting and rigging was the "top technology" of the last centuries, perfectly comparable with today's building of the Space Shuttle or computer technology? It's certainly an area so vast that you can't embrace all... you have to focus on certain points and areas of interest. Is it early ages? it it 17th...  18th or 19th century?  
 
There may be a "best answer" for each century and subject, depending on what's on your mind. Sometimes there is an entire book "definitive" on a ship only. Sometimes there's a definitive book for an entire era as is certainly the case for "1600-1720 The rigging of the ships in the days of the spritsail topmast" by R.C. Anderson. 

Hello, 
 
Interesting subject and interesting question. However, have you thought, as our friend Nenad has put it previously, that masting and rigging was the "top technology" of the last centuries, perfectly comparable with today's building of the Space Shuttle or computer technology? It's certainly an area so vast that you can't embrace all... you have to focus on certain points and areas of interest. Is it early ages? it it 17th...  18th or 19th century?  
 
There may be a "best answer" for each century and subject, depending on what's on your mind. Sometimes there is an entire book "definitive" on a ship only. Sometimes there's a definitive book for an entire era as is certainly the case for "1600-1720 The rigging of the ships in the days of the spritsail topmast" by R.C. Anderson. 

Finished painting the port side....I still have lots of detailing but this is the Port bow

Hello Vivian, 
 
I am glad to greet another lover of medioeval ships, and a lady too! While it is true that you ladies are not so numerous to represent this wonderful hobby of ship model building, it is certainly true with respect of quality of the job. Some of the best models I ever saw were made by female modellers. So, good luck with your build and show us how a Portuguese caravel looked five hundred years ago!
 
There are some wonderful portuguese sources to help you. In fact, the best books on shipbuilding of the period which we have today are portuguese. As an example, just take a quick net search for "Fabrica de naus" written by father Fernando de Oliveira back in 1580.
Also, you may do a search for a ship called "Nostra senhora dos martires" also known as "The Pepper wreck" for inspiration.  
 
And as a welcome gift for you, if you like medioeval ships, take a few moments to look at this wonderful movie: 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZPJhEZR-Gg
 
Best wishes!

In the DIY-stores in the electrical or tools department they have the same ones as Andy showed for cheaper and possibly better quality. Here from wikipedia:
 
For electronics work, special diagonal cutters that are ground flush to the apex of the cutting edge on one side of the jaws are often used. These flush-cutting pliers allow wires to be trimmed flush or nearly flush to a solder joint, avoiding the sharp tip left by symmetrical diagonal cutters. It is common for this type of diagonal cutter to be referred to by another name, such as "flush cutter" to distinguish it from symmetrical cutters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagonal_pliers
 
I usually go to the shop with a piece of paper and try them out - good ones should even cut paper! This means not suitable for harder wires bit wonderful for sprue and etch :-)
 
PS: I use them too for cutting off the end bits of the ropes while rigging, better than any scissors :-)
 
Daniel
 
Here a picture from Wikipedia:

some pictures

Excellent workmanship, Isalbert!
 
Victory isn't a quite easy subject because the ship still exists and there are a lot of known details which you have to follow closely. Also, the scale you have chosen is very demanding, but your craftmanship is certainly up to that! Keep on the good work and thank you for the photos! 

Excellent workmanship, Isalbert!
 
Victory isn't a quite easy subject because the ship still exists and there are a lot of known details which you have to follow closely. Also, the scale you have chosen is very demanding, but your craftmanship is certainly up to that! Keep on the good work and thank you for the photos! 

Hello, Some pictures of the old lost forum.
 
Isalbert

I’ve glued the masts and started to fit the shrouds.
 
For large and more detail photos see also:
http://www.flickr.co...han_gokcay/sets
http://www.flickr.co...57626433922489/

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