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  1. Waiting for the glue to dry on the port upper cheek assembly, I looked more carefully at the area around the figurehead, double checking on the heights for clearance for the bowsprit, and also where the rigging will begin to fasten. Better to catch problems now, as parts are beginning to fall into place. I redrew the Bellona figurehead, with more detail that might begin to lead into the carving--at the very least, a blank to make sure everything fits. And, I did discover a mistake from 25 years ago. I marked and cut the slot for the gammoning in the keel when I first started construction. Now I see that I thought was the fore end was actually the aft end of the slot. So it is exactly its own distance back from where it ought to be! It will take some fine work to fill the slot and cut a new one. Don't tell anyone! Here is an updated drawings with the new Bellona figurehead, and the beginnings of rigging at the bow:
  2. Greg's and druxey's gluing ideas worked well. Tiny drops of carpenter's glue between the piece and a sheet of plywood held everything firmly enough to sand fair on three sides. Isopropyl removed it from the ply, and as the British say, "Bob's your uncle!" Good trick for refining small delicate parts. Glued together on the hull, still not fully faired to each other: then glued down on plywood: Faired, and pinned back on the hull: This piece reminds me of the great quote on Remco's HMS Kingfisher site: "Treat each part as if it is a model on its own, you will finish more models in a day than others do in a lifetime." Mark
  3. Hi Håkan, Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. I started a log on June 5, 1998, when I first started the actual construction (as opposed to the drawing for several years previously), noting issues I was working on, how I solved it, and how long it took. But the log quickly fell by the wayside. I still worked out details in it, but no longer kept track of time. And there are many months-and even a few years--not even accounted for. Like you, I realized it is the journey that counts. The Bellona is like a good friend, someone to spend time with, and who continues to reveal secrets the more I study and work. I am not sure what I would do with my time if ever I finished. I am too old to start another multi-decade project. So I think I will just drag this out, hoping I finish right before I can no longer see, or I have to deal with shaky hands. And great to hear from another left hander! Best wishes, Mark
  4. Hi Alan, Looking great! Something that helped me put in the deck clamps was a small jig that could reference against the gunport cills, and then draw a mark at the correct distance down for the clamp location. Assuming the gunports are well faired, the deck at the sides will always be parallel to the ports. At least it was in the Bellona. Mark
  5. The work on the cheeks and hair brackets continues. Getting a grip on these irregular shaped objects is a challenge. My GRS vise has saved the day, using small strips of leather to pad against the pin jaws. The biggest challenge by far--and still continuing-- has been fairing the upper cheek into the hair bracket. The photo below shows a paper template taped to the knee, which gave me a rough idea of the cheek's upper curve, but it was only approximate. I found greater success once I made the hair bracket and the core behind it, and temporarily pinned and tacked these to the knee. then I could sight the curve of the cheek and adjust accordingly. Getting closer: But it still needs a final fairing between the cheek and the hair bracket, which I think needs to be done off the hull. My thought is to tack the two together at their joint, then temporarily glue them down onto a flat surface so I can smooth the two pieces together. Can I get some technical advice? I have read about modelers gluing delicate pieces to a base with paper between, to be worked on. is this carpenter's glue, full strength or diluted? And then how do you then get the delicate piece off the base, and get the glued paper off the back of the piece? I don't want to soak these in water. Is isopropanol used? Having invested so many hours into these pieces, I don't want to mess up at this last stage! Mark
  6. Looking great, Siggi! Your painting on the friezes and headwork is masterful. And inspiration for us all. Mark
  7. Hi druxey, yes, that does help. I see one of the biggest issues here is getting the fore and aft edges of the core and the two hair brackets to be flush with each other. Maybe I make the hair brackets first, glue them to the core, file them flush to each other, glue the whole thing down onto the top of the knee and then attach the cheeks. otherwise, I would be trying to file the core and the hair brackets flush to each other while on the ship--not a pretty idea to contemplate!
  8. The cheeks saga continues. I finally got both cheeks, both sides, close to finish size and pinning in place: I made the cheeks up in two parts, hopefully to get the grain to run roughly parallel to the scratch moulding still needed to be done on each outboard surface: I also used, for the first time, my handy vise attachments that hold irregular pieces. I don't know how else I would ever have held these multi-curved surfaces for shaping: Then came the awful discovery that I had cut the top of my knee at the head to the wrong profile. Fifteen years ago I made my best guess at this shape (photo from 2008): And then as the cheeks neared completion, I started wondering how the moulding continuing on from the top cheek--the hair bracket-- would be supported for its full length to the scroll at the top. I looked again at the original Bellona model, and saw there had to be a much higher core up from the knee of the head, between the hair brackets and abaft the figurehead: I tried making one piece, with a slot to slip over the knee, but soon gave up on that as pretty impossible to cut a slot tapering in two directions while keeping it aligned athwartships and fore and aft: I finally realized that the top of the knee should have looked more like this upper left piece in the drawing below: So tomorrow, I will see how I can fit my retro piece onto the top of the knee, between the upper cheeks: Wish I had understood that 15 years ago, and good thing I am not in a hurry....
  9. Thanks so much, Marc and druxey. While our digital resources today open up research to more of us not close to the major libraries, it is still sometimes frustrating not to be able to dig into an archive and find just the right item. So we do the best we can with the help of people on this site! druxey, I am glad you have looked this over and think I am headed in the right direction. I will fix the square hole in the wheel. I still don't quite understand what the solid piece is that guides the burrs once they come around the rowle at the bottom; could it be a solid piece of metal the width of the tubes, bolted between the metal side panels supporting the rowle? And I wonder what holds in place the lower end of the return tube, just floating in the air in Lavery redrawing of the 1708 Resolution? When I drew the chain and burrs at different points coming around the rowle, I could see just how much that chain would have clanked, tightening and loosening. Amazing it didn't come off more regularly! Best wishes to both of you for the new year! Mark
  10. Press release March 1, 1760; "The Admiralty just learned that the proposed Cole-Bentinck chain pump will not be available for another 10 years. The HMS Bellona currently being fitted out in Chatham Dockyard will have to install a standard pump". I bothered me that I was recently showing a pump designed a decade after the Bellona's launch, even though I am trying to show her as she was designed. I looked again at sources, and found information I had overlooked in Lavery's Arming and Fitting, page 71; a redrawn section through the Resolution of 1708. It is the only drawing I have found of a pump before the Cole-Bentinck, and so I will go with the idea that this pump was probably closer to the one installed in the Bellona in 1760. Lavery points us to some drawings in Blanckley's Naval Expositor of 1750. Taken from the Gutenburg permission free ebook online, here is the key idea at the upper wheel. These sprockets are driven into a solid elm wheel, over which the chain rides. With this, and then interpreting as best I can the drawing of the Resolution, here is my best shot at the design of a pre-Cole-Bentinck pump, ca. 1750. Distinctive elements: 1) the return tube does not go all the way to the lower end of the pump; 2) the bottom of the pump rests right on the outboard planking, set into a deep slot beside the keelson; 3) it has a bottom roller, like the later Cole-Bentinck design. I can see how the chain and burrs would bump over that, tightening and loosening the chain and causing the problems mentioned in various sources regarding this traditional pump. And the chains have no mechanical hook to the sprockets, allowing the slippage mentioned earlier. But at least this is closer to authentic for 1760 than I have managed so far. Unless anyone has come across a contemporary drawing of a circa 1750 pump, this is my best bet... Mark
  11. Hi Marc, I have been away from the website for what seems like such a long time, with life issues that have arisen in abundance these last couple of years. Anyway, I recently had a chance to look over your posts in more detail, and I can say you continue to set the very highest standards for research, construction and painting. Truly a work of art emerging! And a thrill to follow you down the paths of research on these very complex 17th C. ships! Mark
  12. Hi Alan, Looking great. That last little bit of hull at the stern is a more complex form that one would ever appreciate from drawings alone. it manages to go from curved in two directions to a straight edge at the counter timber in an almost imperceptible transition. I had to make oversize and shave down when I could see the overall form of the hull. Mark
  13. Gary, I enjoyed looking over your latest photos. The build is really coming along well, and nicely photographed! Here's looking forward to a good and productive new year! Mark
  14. Thanks, druxey, That earliest version of the Cole-Bentinck pump illustrated in Falconer would certainly have left a lot of water in the bilge, since the height at which water is captured is about level with the top of the keelson. I can see why the subsequent modifications included dropping the pump base as far down as possible. It is quite intriguing to see the evolution of a technology, and also to see an early version of a user's manual that you refer to in Lavery's book. My brother once worked as a technical writer for a software company, and the writers complained that the engineers kept tweaking the software right up to the point of release, leaving the written manuals sometimes incomplete and inconsistent. I wonder if Cole and Bentinck kept tweaking their design after their user manual was produced?🙂
  15. While waiting for steaming and glue to dry, I tackled a drawing project I had long, long put aside, the pumps. I am not installing anything except the cisterns, but I was always curious about these. So I did a little digging in Lavery's Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War (pp. 66-76), Peter Goodwin's Construction and Fitting of the English Man of War (pp. 138-142), David Antscherl's Fully Framed Model (vol. II, pp. 96-102) and Dodds and Moore's Building the Wooden Fighting Ship (p. 100). The year of the Bellona's completion, 1760, appears to be in a transitional period from earlier, inefficient pumps to the much improved Coles-Bentinck which was first tested in 1768 and underwent a number of improvements over the next few years. There is less information available in these printed resources for the pumps before the Coles-Bentinck, so I was left wondering what the Bellona pump more exactly might have looked like. The only primary document drawing I could find closer to the launch of the Bellona is plate VIII in Falconer's Dictionary of the Marine published 1769, which I have shown here from the Guttenberg ebook project. Brian Lavery says this has features in common with the Coles pump, but with some notable differences like the cogged wheels which are not in the later Coles-Bentinck pumps. He says that "Either this is an early version of the Coles pump, or it is one of many other inventions of the period." (p. 72 footnote). Falconer's clearly identifies this illustration as the "naval chain-pump, by Mr. Cole, under the direction of Capt. Bentinck", which Falconer says works much better than the earlier pumps. It must have been one of the very earliest versions, since the cogged wheel disappears in later versions. And Falconer is publishing this just a year after the initial test of the Coles-Bentinck pump. Lacking detailed information on pumps before this one in Falconer, I decided that this would at least be closer to the Bellona date than the later, well illustrated Coles-Bentinck pumps. Shall we assume that the Bellona installed this improved pump when it first become available a decade after launch? I quickly discovered that this drawing is not an accurately scaled drawing. The distance from top to bottom is way too short relative to the sizes of the cisterns and pump tube diameters. So I took features from this drawing and tried to accurately scale it to the actual hull. Things I learned in this exercise. 1. The cogged wheels do not engage or drive the disks as they go around. There are bolts at the point of each tooth that actually engage hooks on the chain links. I see why they quickly abandoned the cogged wheel and kept the bolts and hooks. 2. The disks are of a smaller diameter than the tubes everywhere in the pump EXCEPT at the most critical part, a chamber at the outboard base of the pump where the disks have a tight fit (last illustration below). This makes sense, after thinking about it. A tight fit all along the pump would have created a great deal of friction in the machine. It only needs to pull up water within this chamber which then holds up the column of water from the chamber to the cistern. Very, very clever. 3. This drawing curiously holds the bottom chamber up from the floor, indeed, hanging off the keelson. Later pumps try to get right down to the floor or even cut into the frames so the point of pulling up water is as close to the bottom as possible. This pump will leave a good puddle in the bilge that it cannot reach. However, when one considers that the hull is usually heeled over, it is probably getting close enough to the bottom of the bilge water. If anyone has come across sufficiently detailed drawings of pumps in service just before this pump, please share and I will redraw. Until then, the Bellona gets a pump refit....🙃 Oh well, back to the model....
  16. Thanks so much, Gary and Alan, just when I think I know the name of everything, then I discover yet more to know... The lining proved yet more difficult to fasten than I expected. I could not get a clean shot at clamping the outboard end firmly to the hull. So I made a special clamp, with a pad shaped to the end of the lining. either my clamps could not reach that far over the edge, or they were so fat I couldn't see if things were bedded home or not. So thin legs on the new clamp gave a good view and also applied pressure at just the right place. Then it all worked out: And a first look at the second layer, which still needs steaming. And the hawse holes penciled in: Mark
  17. Thanks so much, everyone. Gary, I am getting ditzy in my old age; I forgot that you had already tackled this interesting detail and turned out a beautifully crafted solution. thanks again for showing this. Greg and Mike, good advice on using the delicate mills. Mine got misdirected in the mail, and won't get here for another week. Then I will play around with it for the sheaves in the beakhead bulkhead stantions. Those were going to be a bear to construct at 1:64 scale without this mill... druxey Mike and Yves, I steamed the first layer and it worked perfectly, thanks for directing me to this solution. It was just too hard to fay the lower edge to the cheek with the piece springing away all the time. druxey, do you happen to know if there is a name for this additional plate on the face of the hawse holes. I don't recall seeing it named anywhere, but then my memory is not the greatest lately. And have you seen anywhere how it is actually constructed? Carved out of one piece, or also laminated in real life? Happy holidays, everyone!
  18. Hi Greg, I add my congratulations to everyone else's. You have set the highest standard for model builders around the world. An inspiration to look at. Mark
  19. Thanks, Mike. BTW, once I get the 1/32" mill, does it need to be fed in tiny amounts to avoid breakage, or is it pretty robust?
  20. On to the piece between the cheeks--I don't know what it is named--that forms a broad surface through which the hawse holes are cut. This is an interesting piece, because it appears to be in two layers, one longer than the other. The layer closest to the hull has a single elliptical edge (between the ends of the cheeks below), while the layer on top of it has an elliptical edge with vertical segments to the cheeks (the double curves between the end and the hawse holes). Maybe it is actually one piece with this step carved into it, but I am treating it as two layers for constructional ease. I am pondering how to curve these two layered pieces to the curve of the hull. I have tried cold clamping a rough blank of one layer (below), to see how much springback there is, and it is a fair amount. Not sure I should trust glue alone to hold this permanently. So, do I try steaming these thin pieces, and clamping to the hull to dry? Or maybe glue them together as a lamination, and clamping that to the hull to dry? Does anyone have experience with this piece?
  21. Thanks, Mike, I ordered one today. And Gaetan, I added in a 1/64" end mill to the order; I had no idea they came so small!
  22. Mike, interesting! My slots are 1/32". I haven't seen an end mill that small. That really would simplify this, and I see I have more of these in the stantions in the bulkhead beakhead. Do you recall where you got the end mill that small?
  23. Thanks, druxey, Mark and Yves. Interesting, the cheeks look so straightforward, when you look at photos of models from the period. It is only when you start down that road that you discover the complexities waiting for you! It is further testament to the shipwrights who designed and built these. Functionally, they just had to provide lateral support to the head. But aesthetically, they had to continue the sheer lines of the hull, and echo the roundup of the main wales as they bend around to the stem. They cared as much about the looks as the function. Yves, after I figured out that the catheads twist as they go through the hull, I cut the blanks oversize in the plan way, and then shaped the correct angle first on the tails and then on the head. I never did figure out ahead of time the geometry of how they intersect with each other on the tops and sides. I just worked carefully to maintain the correct angle on each end, and then the crease lines between the two just settled out on their own as I brought the surfaces together. The crease lines don't align with anything like the curve of the hull in plan or the sheer from the side. But they appear to be hidden within the hull frame, so all looks shipshape when it is all done. By the way, at my 3/16 " = 1'-0" scale, I could not at first figure out a way to cut the slots in the cat head for the sheaves. I tried drilling them out, and then cleaning with a chisel, as would be done in normal practice; but I did not have a tool thin enough to get into the slot. In the end, I had to use a slitting saw on my mill to cut slots from the ends, and then fill with with small slivers of wood to block the outer end. I hope the carved cathead on the ends will cover up the fact that is it not a solid piece of wood, but a lamination of sorts. Best I could do! Mark
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