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Patrick,
 
It might just be that many modellers don't think she looks interesting enough, although she would seem to be on a par with their other smaller kits. That shouldn't put you off however, and if you want to have a go at it, why not? Perhaps you can be the first on MSW with a build log, and perhaps start a trend? After all, the Sherbourne now has a dedicated following.       
 
If you have look at Jotika's website you'll see that there are couple of favourable reviews from people who have built it, along with a few pics.
 
Don't get too hung up on the phrase 'Nelson's Navy'. It's a catch-all expression which is designed to appeal to prospective purchasers, etc. Nelson probably never saw some of the ships themselves. I am a member of a dedicated Nelson website, where one of the other members is heartily sick of the term!

Thanks for the various comments, they are appreciated!!
 
Progress on model -
 
After cutting out the forward part of my main deck plan, I had to make quite a few adjustments in opening locations, etc. I've reconciled 2/3 of the plan and hope to fiinish checking/redrawing the stern section tonight. I've re-printed it and will go thru complete cutout/recheck tonight - hopefully with better results.
 
With the bow sections mated, I filled in the minute holes in the bow and the seams w/Green Stuff and later sanded, etc. The bow section is now mated to the hull and tonight I will apply Green Stuff to hide the seam. Hopefully, I will post pictures tomorrow - I forgot to download them from the camera last night.
 
Hank

18 DECEMBER
 
1762
HMS Temple (70) foundered in the West Indies.
1779
French squadron of 3 ships of the line, under Count Toussaint-Guillaume Picquet de la Motte, escorting a 26 ship convoy engaged English squadron of 13 ships of the line and a frigate, under Admiral Hyde-Parker blockading Fort Royal, Martinique.10 of the merchant ships were taken and  4 others ran aground and were burnt.
1793
Evacuation of Toulon by British and Spanish fleets. HMS Conflagration fireship (14), Cdr. John Loring, destroyed to prevent capture, HMS Vulcan fireship (14), Cdr William Edge, destroyed in firing the French ships and HMS Montreal being used as a powder hulk accidentally burnt by the Spaniards.
1804
HMS Starling (12), Lt. George Shotton, went ashore near Calais during a thick fog and blown up to prevent capture.
1810
HMS Nymphe (36), Cptn. Clay, and HMS Pallas (32), Cptn. G. P. Monke, wrecked near Dunbar in the Firth of Forth after the pilots mistook the light from a lime kiln on the coast for the light on the Isle of May and the light on the island for that on the Bell Rock.
1812
HMS Alban (10), Lt. William Sturges Key, wrecked off Aldeborough, Suffolk
1828
HMS Kangaroo Steam-vessel (6), Anthony de Mayne, wrecked South-east of Reef of Hogsties.

Thanks Jeff, It came up really beautiful your Norfolk..  And lots of great pics for me to gather from..
 
Thanks Brian, I appreciate it, trying to make her a bit unique.. 
 
So I realised that joining two planks looked kinda average, and not how it would be done realistically..  so i set about coming up with a solution and i am going to put in the extra effort.. ... 
 
I found the closest match of timber i could in the shed, it's a bit darker but i think that will look okay.. I set the table saw (its a rough one) to its minimal cut (about1mm) .. Then i made up a simple jig that anyone could whip up.. Consists of two hardened pieces of metal on a very flat surface, In this case 'stanley' blades, stainless would work good also..   So then file or sand and you cannot go too far beyond your desired thickness you have setup...  I have made a couple and they measure 7.5mm wide (thats what the stock was) wide by 0.6mm thickness . the calipers are a bit worn, but i know that so i accommodate for it..  Thanks so much mates.. 

Ok well i thought i better use some initiative and joined two planks side by side with glue and sanded.. This is all i could think of to do and once caulking is added i don't the eye will really notice it..
 
Turning some corners today..  Also when I got home early today I was feeling brave and in the mood to cut out my side of hull for the 'revealing' side of the ship..  Regards   Ollie

Eamonn,
 
In reply to your question, yes it's one I the two counterweights to my CGEM & 8" SCT set up. (Picture in Astrophotography thread in shore leave). This was the spare one......

Thank you Mark, overdale, Grant, John, Duff and Richard.
 
Entry Steps to the Waist
 
There are two sets of Entry Steps attached to the fixed gangways, one either side. These have "Winding" treads to transition from the curve in the gangways - quite tricky things to get right as the angles for the slots in the fore stiles are different to the aft ones.
 
I cut the fore slots at 30 degrees, and the aft ones at 27.5 degrees. This gave the required "twist" in the steps.
 
The pics will tell the story of how I made them :
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
  Danny

Joggling is the term. You joggle the planks in. Woodenboat forum will have information on that if you're interested in knowing more about it. The reason behind it was to allow the builder to caulk the seams. He needed a certain width of plank to allow his caulking iron to fit. There's no way to insert a 2 inch wide iron into a 1 inch space at the end of the plank so instead of tapering down that far, you joggle the plank to allow the iron to fit. The irons came in different sizes of course but practically speaking, you aren't going to caulk (pronounced "cork" by many) a plank with a pointy awl, you need a chisel shaped calking iron. FYI, a good experienced caulker, supervising newbies could often tell how fast his proteges were progressing and how well they were doing by the speed of their mallet blows and the sound they made. They make a sort of ringing noise. Caulking mallets are always used, no rubber mallets or hammers here.  if it didn't "ring true" he knew his apprentice was botching it up. And now you know where the expression "ring true" comes from.

Hello to all my friends on MSW.
 
I'm alive and well - thank you for the concern. The past month or so has encompassed a little bit of traveling, family visits and friends stopping by, keeping me busy and away from the shop. I sneak in a quick peek at MSW send a few Likes when I can and try to get an hour or so in the shop from time to time but it's been hard to do. I hope over the next few days or so I can pick up progress on my ship and spend more time on line with my friends on MSW.
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah and good health to all of you.

Managed to get some spraying done   
It's so difficult to get the consistancy right
Didn't do too bad this time though
 

 
I think the colours look quite nice
What do you think of the deck that colour????
Club day tomorrow so should be able to look at the stakes or whatever on the outside on Thursday   

A couple of small pieces of progress. First, I planked around the outer side of the stern windows and painted that planking black. Secondly, I began the cabinetry in the Great Cabin. The planking followed my practice of using boxwood and was straight forward and quick.
 
The cabinetry is to be done following drawings in the Essex AOTS by Portia Takakjian. It will consist of an enclosure under the windows and two cushioned benches and a doored cabinet in front of that enclosure. I made the enclosure from boxwood sheet and strip to fit the space and finished it with Wipe-on Poly. I won't do the other items until after the deck planking has been done. 
 
I'm now working on the margin planks for the deck planking and will follow that with the remainder of that planking.
 
Bob

Last night was mainly shop area cleanup, actual modeling was off the table. Tonight (Tues.) I plan to get the bow section assembled to the hull and puttied.
 
 I did, however, take a few photos of the hull pieces:
 
 

Hi all. Well the first two eyelets were too small, they had 1mm centres, second round was heaps quicker of course.. Pictures show how i made them, i want to have a full circle of metal not a piece of wire joined as i dont have the right soldering gear... these are flattened 2mm brass rod that was supplied for axles, eyelets have 1.5 mm centres now and look right.. primed and let to dry before black..  progress is slow until holidays and then will be patchy but hope to get a couple of solid days in, instead of little bits...  Ollie

I couldn't force myself to hit the 'like' button on those photos Jim, but looks like you have everything in hand.

I've glued the stanchions in place and decided to paint them white.

Where you been Mate??? Hope all is well.....

Great to hear this Jim, tis indeed amazing what a fresh look at something can do.. will continue to watch (perhaps less silently this time ) this beautiful build.
 
Eamonn
P.S. don't forget to link us to the future Ballahoo
 
Have a great Christmas & New Year.

Hello Shipmates.
Another update on my progress.
Main Gun Deck is now fixed into place with no errors
Started to plank the Deck with Tulip wood. Very nice looking wood.
Deck now fixed onto the bulwarks with knees fitted.

 
Photo looking up at the deck from the underside.

 
All the planks cut to length and drilled at ends only for treenails.

 
Waterways in and now ready to plank..

 
First planks laid.

 
Will post another update when Gun Deck is complete.
Thanks for looking in.
 
Regards Antony.

Great news - I hope you are going to have some 'before and after' photos    Best of luck.

Drydock preparation complete and initial repairs underway. Let's get that ship back in the war....!

Thank you, Keith.
 
Well, here are some impressions of the sanded hull:
 

 

 

 

 

 
 
And here is the start of the second planking:
 

Thanks again everyone (especially you lurkers who have been tempted into the open....!)
 
It's my own damn fault all of this.
 
I dont have a large house currently, so the lean-to conservatory is a hobby room/store room at the moment, but it also the only way in and out of the house for the cats and their thoroughfare takes them right next and above the build area(they have a small cat sized window left ajar for them). I have known there might be an issue but got away with it for so long, assuming the counterweight wouldn't shift.
 
Tonights task is a simple 'swap the room from one side to the other'. The storage area will then be next to the window and the build area will be opposite. This will instantly make the whole thing far more secure. And also next to the radiator...... Bonus this winter....!
 
Re-rigging has gone from a complete reset to cutting and retying the shroud lanyards. Just a minor difference....!
 
As for the Ballahoo, I will be starting a build log. It will be a nice distraction from the rigging (once I catch up....) and I am hoping to do a little side project with the ballahoo, which I will either unveil once it is complete or I might release some teasers along the way. Watch this space....

Lower Deck Modification

The kit's original plan on the lower deck has only gratings. Feeling that it's too 'plain', I've decided to add a stair to a level lower... the orlop.
I planned to locate the stair at the very front of the gratings in the original plan, something like this:



To make it, I'll need to add a false deck beneath it, and that again need to modify the false keel and some affected bulkheads. 



The yellow line shows the location of the stair and gratings on the deck which will be cut off; while the red shaded area shows the area to be removed to fit the orlop deck. That will be total of 4 bulkheads (5, 6, 7, and 8) affected.

Some procedures...
First, I cut off a 'hole' on the false deck. Here is where the stair and gratings will lay.



Then the bulkheads..
I made the height of the lower deck to orlop 25mm, which is the same as the height from upper deck to lower.



And the keel's part...



Finally, after all the cutting and sanding jobs, the orlop can now fit between the bulkheads. 



I started planking on the same night, and chalked edge of planks for better detail.



Actually, it doesn't need to be fully planked.. I mean, I could just plank the center part of the board.. I planked them full to treat it as a good warm up for the higher deck planking.

Then, I added treenails to the planks. I done it using pencil, not really satisfy with the result.. might use drilling and filling method on higher level.
 


On the rest of the weekends, I started the lower deck planking. Anyway, before I begun I've changed my mind to add a space between the stair and gratings (which design I referred from the HMS Pandora). So, it's how it turns out now.
 


Just a quick sharing on how I make my planks.
Since I'm planning to stagger my planks by 1/3, so I made their lengths 105mm so that they can be easily divided by 3. 


After a whole long night of planking...

 
the remaining parts will be planked after the hull planking is done, because I still need those frames to guide the hull planks.
 
OK, after all... the stair hasn't made  
I was thinking of making the stair first, but then worrying of doing the hull planking might damage it, so I will move it together with other deck fittings
Next, I'll work on the stern modification.

Thanks for viewing!! 

Laying Keel and Fitting Bulkheads

Just one week before this, I've already made my DIY keel clamp for this build. The previous one which I used for my Race Horse is no longer strong enough to hold a ship size like this. So, this is how it looks like:
 

 
First problem... the bulkheads don't fit to the keel.
Didn't happen on my previous build..
 

 
Argh~~ so close...   
Fortunately, I've also made myself a DIY drill press last week.. just that it's not completed yet, I'll still need to add compound table to it. Anyway, it helps a lot on sanding the bulkheads' slots wider.
 
Here it is:


 
There's actually a screw at the right which it to stop the drill at desirable position. To fix the slots, I used a HSS square router bit. It works well so far
 

 
So, after like 45 minutes I've done them all, and I thought the bulkheads can now all fit...
I was wrong...
Now comes the problem that the slots on the keel are not wide enough too to fit the bulkheads... oh Corel...
 


And then some issues commonly seen...
 

 
So, after a whole long night of fixing and sanding.. I can finally put my decks and bulkheads on. This is how she looks like now.
 


Anyway, they are not glued yet. Just sitting in place so that I can plan on my modification to be made.
 
Cheers!!
 

Thanks, Jay, Kester and Tony for the kind words, and good health to you all.
I'm really enjoying how every Sherbourne builder makes his or her own choice of how far he or she will go to get nearer to the no longer existing and somewhat elusive original (Jay's decision to build a Sherbourne from scratch is the ultimate consequence of this quest).
For me the kit provides a solid beginners platform which can be altered or improved individually to an astonishing degree, as you and other builders here demonstrate.
With the best wishes,
Gregor