Anguirel

Hi All,
 
Finished the waterlines. I might have made more then I actually need but just wanted to make sure the inward curvature above the wales was captured properly. I'm still not 100% sure about the water lines ends but time will tell I guess...

Onward to the buttock lines...

Thanks for your answer Wintergreen, I will try following what you said. 
Here's a screenshot of the plans:

(https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/rainha-de-portugal-circa-1791-alternative-spelling-rainho-de-portugal-j3203?_pos=1&_sid=ba49b24c4&_ss=r)
 
 
She was built in Lisbon's dockyards, lunched in 1791. Between 1798 and 1807 she has part of the Squadron of the Strait (Esquadra do Estreito) commanded by the Maqui of Nisa. This squadron supported Admiral John Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson in the Mediterranean campaign. The squadron main responsibilities was during the blockade of the Island of Malta. Later in 1807, during the first French invasion of Portugal she helped transport the Portuguese Royal Family to Brazil. She stayed in South America until in 1821, returning to Portugal in that year. In 1833 during the Portuguese Civil War she actively participated in the Battle of Cape S. Vincent on the Absolutists side. She was taken by the Liberals returning to active service during the Cartista Government ending up being dismantled in 1851. She had the reputation of having excellent sailing qualities. 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal in the foreground (https://forum.game-labs.net/gallery/album/98-nau-quotrainha-de-portugalquot/)
 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal during the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) being taken by the 46 guns (also) Rainha de Portugal (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalha_do_Cabo_de_São_Vicente_(1833))
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal returning to Lisbon after the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) under the command of Admiral Charles Napier (he was the commander of the Liberal forces)  (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainha_de_Portugal_(nau))
 

Hi All,
 
Finished the waterlines. I might have made more then I actually need but just wanted to make sure the inward curvature above the wales was captured properly. I'm still not 100% sure about the water lines ends but time will tell I guess...

Onward to the buttock lines...

Hi All,
 
Finished the waterlines. I might have made more then I actually need but just wanted to make sure the inward curvature above the wales was captured properly. I'm still not 100% sure about the water lines ends but time will tell I guess...

Onward to the buttock lines...

Hi All,
 
Finished the waterlines. I might have made more then I actually need but just wanted to make sure the inward curvature above the wales was captured properly. I'm still not 100% sure about the water lines ends but time will tell I guess...

Onward to the buttock lines...

Thanks for your answer Wintergreen, I will try following what you said. 
Here's a screenshot of the plans:

(https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/rainha-de-portugal-circa-1791-alternative-spelling-rainho-de-portugal-j3203?_pos=1&_sid=ba49b24c4&_ss=r)
 
 
She was built in Lisbon's dockyards, lunched in 1791. Between 1798 and 1807 she has part of the Squadron of the Strait (Esquadra do Estreito) commanded by the Maqui of Nisa. This squadron supported Admiral John Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson in the Mediterranean campaign. The squadron main responsibilities was during the blockade of the Island of Malta. Later in 1807, during the first French invasion of Portugal she helped transport the Portuguese Royal Family to Brazil. She stayed in South America until in 1821, returning to Portugal in that year. In 1833 during the Portuguese Civil War she actively participated in the Battle of Cape S. Vincent on the Absolutists side. She was taken by the Liberals returning to active service during the Cartista Government ending up being dismantled in 1851. She had the reputation of having excellent sailing qualities. 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal in the foreground (https://forum.game-labs.net/gallery/album/98-nau-quotrainha-de-portugalquot/)
 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal during the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) being taken by the 46 guns (also) Rainha de Portugal (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalha_do_Cabo_de_São_Vicente_(1833))
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal returning to Lisbon after the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) under the command of Admiral Charles Napier (he was the commander of the Liberal forces)  (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainha_de_Portugal_(nau))
 

Thanks for your answer Wintergreen, I will try following what you said. 
Here's a screenshot of the plans:

(https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/rainha-de-portugal-circa-1791-alternative-spelling-rainho-de-portugal-j3203?_pos=1&_sid=ba49b24c4&_ss=r)
 
 
She was built in Lisbon's dockyards, lunched in 1791. Between 1798 and 1807 she has part of the Squadron of the Strait (Esquadra do Estreito) commanded by the Maqui of Nisa. This squadron supported Admiral John Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson in the Mediterranean campaign. The squadron main responsibilities was during the blockade of the Island of Malta. Later in 1807, during the first French invasion of Portugal she helped transport the Portuguese Royal Family to Brazil. She stayed in South America until in 1821, returning to Portugal in that year. In 1833 during the Portuguese Civil War she actively participated in the Battle of Cape S. Vincent on the Absolutists side. She was taken by the Liberals returning to active service during the Cartista Government ending up being dismantled in 1851. She had the reputation of having excellent sailing qualities. 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal in the foreground (https://forum.game-labs.net/gallery/album/98-nau-quotrainha-de-portugalquot/)
 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal during the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) being taken by the 46 guns (also) Rainha de Portugal (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalha_do_Cabo_de_São_Vicente_(1833))
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal returning to Lisbon after the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) under the command of Admiral Charles Napier (he was the commander of the Liberal forces)  (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainha_de_Portugal_(nau))
 

Portugal has a rich maritime history and I always wanted to build a Portuguese ship. The stars kind of aligned when I was reading the Caxton Pictorial Histories series - Nelson against Napoleon. In the chapter about the siege of Malta they talk about the Portuguese squadron that helped in the recapturing of the island. In that chapter there is a drawing of a 74 guns Portuguese ship. That made me think that there has to be some ship plans out there. Apparently not a lot of information survived until today and what is left is not easily available to the general public. It's even more difficult if you are not in country. A few weeks after reaching a dead-end on my research and I was starting to look at other English ships I stumble upon the plans of the Rainha de Portugal at the Greenwich Maritime Museum website. Apparently when she was helping in the Mediterranean campaign she was sent to Portsmouth for refitting. When there, she was surveyed and a plan was made. Armed with the plans and the Drafting Ship Plans in CAD guide by Wayne Kempson I embarked on a drafting journey. I traced the plans in to a CAD software and following Wayne Kempson's guide I'm now drawing the water lines for the half breadth plan. In this section I came across a problem I can't be sure of the answer so I am asking for your help. 
In Wayne Kempson's guide the ends of the water lines end at the keel:

But, on my CAD drawing, at the stern some of the station lines projections are "inside" the keel:

Looking at the body plan there are several stations that end "inside" the keel, station 20-36 and a, z, x and u.
 
My question is where should the water lines end? At the edge of the keel or at the deepest point of the rabbet?
 
Thanks in advance,
Anguirel

Thanks for your answer Wintergreen, I will try following what you said. 
Here's a screenshot of the plans:

(https://prints.rmg.co.uk/products/rainha-de-portugal-circa-1791-alternative-spelling-rainho-de-portugal-j3203?_pos=1&_sid=ba49b24c4&_ss=r)
 
 
She was built in Lisbon's dockyards, lunched in 1791. Between 1798 and 1807 she has part of the Squadron of the Strait (Esquadra do Estreito) commanded by the Maqui of Nisa. This squadron supported Admiral John Jervis and Admiral Horatio Nelson in the Mediterranean campaign. The squadron main responsibilities was during the blockade of the Island of Malta. Later in 1807, during the first French invasion of Portugal she helped transport the Portuguese Royal Family to Brazil. She stayed in South America until in 1821, returning to Portugal in that year. In 1833 during the Portuguese Civil War she actively participated in the Battle of Cape S. Vincent on the Absolutists side. She was taken by the Liberals returning to active service during the Cartista Government ending up being dismantled in 1851. She had the reputation of having excellent sailing qualities. 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal in the foreground (https://forum.game-labs.net/gallery/album/98-nau-quotrainha-de-portugalquot/)
 
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal during the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) being taken by the 46 guns (also) Rainha de Portugal (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batalha_do_Cabo_de_São_Vicente_(1833))
 

Nau Rainha de Portugal returning to Lisbon after the Battle of Cape S. Vincent (1833) under the command of Admiral Charles Napier (he was the commander of the Liberal forces)  (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainha_de_Portugal_(nau))
 

Portugal has a rich maritime history and I always wanted to build a Portuguese ship. The stars kind of aligned when I was reading the Caxton Pictorial Histories series - Nelson against Napoleon. In the chapter about the siege of Malta they talk about the Portuguese squadron that helped in the recapturing of the island. In that chapter there is a drawing of a 74 guns Portuguese ship. That made me think that there has to be some ship plans out there. Apparently not a lot of information survived until today and what is left is not easily available to the general public. It's even more difficult if you are not in country. A few weeks after reaching a dead-end on my research and I was starting to look at other English ships I stumble upon the plans of the Rainha de Portugal at the Greenwich Maritime Museum website. Apparently when she was helping in the Mediterranean campaign she was sent to Portsmouth for refitting. When there, she was surveyed and a plan was made. Armed with the plans and the Drafting Ship Plans in CAD guide by Wayne Kempson I embarked on a drafting journey. I traced the plans in to a CAD software and following Wayne Kempson's guide I'm now drawing the water lines for the half breadth plan. In this section I came across a problem I can't be sure of the answer so I am asking for your help. 
In Wayne Kempson's guide the ends of the water lines end at the keel:

But, on my CAD drawing, at the stern some of the station lines projections are "inside" the keel:

Looking at the body plan there are several stations that end "inside" the keel, station 20-36 and a, z, x and u.
 
My question is where should the water lines end? At the edge of the keel or at the deepest point of the rabbet?
 
Thanks in advance,
Anguirel

Portugal has a rich maritime history and I always wanted to build a Portuguese ship. The stars kind of aligned when I was reading the Caxton Pictorial Histories series - Nelson against Napoleon. In the chapter about the siege of Malta they talk about the Portuguese squadron that helped in the recapturing of the island. In that chapter there is a drawing of a 74 guns Portuguese ship. That made me think that there has to be some ship plans out there. Apparently not a lot of information survived until today and what is left is not easily available to the general public. It's even more difficult if you are not in country. A few weeks after reaching a dead-end on my research and I was starting to look at other English ships I stumble upon the plans of the Rainha de Portugal at the Greenwich Maritime Museum website. Apparently when she was helping in the Mediterranean campaign she was sent to Portsmouth for refitting. When there, she was surveyed and a plan was made. Armed with the plans and the Drafting Ship Plans in CAD guide by Wayne Kempson I embarked on a drafting journey. I traced the plans in to a CAD software and following Wayne Kempson's guide I'm now drawing the water lines for the half breadth plan. In this section I came across a problem I can't be sure of the answer so I am asking for your help. 
In Wayne Kempson's guide the ends of the water lines end at the keel:

But, on my CAD drawing, at the stern some of the station lines projections are "inside" the keel:

Looking at the body plan there are several stations that end "inside" the keel, station 20-36 and a, z, x and u.
 
My question is where should the water lines end? At the edge of the keel or at the deepest point of the rabbet?
 
Thanks in advance,
Anguirel

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Hi All,
 
I read this thread with great interest and it answered all my questions except one. In all models I’ve seen the stichs that simulate the seams of the different panels are vertical straight lines. But in all the images of “real" sails this is a zip-zag stitch. Is this true only in modern sail making? Would it be wrong to use a zig-zag stitch on the sails?
 
 

Hi All,
 
I read this thread with great interest and it answered all my questions except one. In all models I’ve seen the stichs that simulate the seams of the different panels are vertical straight lines. But in all the images of “real" sails this is a zip-zag stitch. Is this true only in modern sail making? Would it be wrong to use a zig-zag stitch on the sails?
 
 

Hi All,
 
I’m on the market for a scroll saw. My inclination was for a Excalibur but they are no longer available. My question to you fine gentlemans is: is the new Jet scroll saw (http://www.jettools.com/us/en/new-products-and-offers/new-products/scroll-saw/) worth the extra $500?in the last toon to the Dewalt (http://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/saws/scroll-saws/20-variablespeed-scroll-saw/dw788). Christmas is coming so now is the perfect time to convince the Admiral that I need another machine...
 
Thanks in advance

Hi All,
 
I’m on the market for a scroll saw. My inclination was for a Excalibur but they are no longer available. My question to you fine gentlemans is: is the new Jet scroll saw (http://www.jettools.com/us/en/new-products-and-offers/new-products/scroll-saw/) worth the extra $500?in the last toon to the Dewalt (http://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/saws/scroll-saws/20-variablespeed-scroll-saw/dw788). Christmas is coming so now is the perfect time to convince the Admiral that I need another machine...
 
Thanks in advance

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Thanks
 

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Hi
 

 
This was waiting for me when I arrived home yesterday, finally I will be able o keep things squared.
 
As for the black paper on the frames, the double frames they are sturdy enough ( if the one I built can be used as an example) the simple ones might be a ploblem. I used the paper because I read somewhere that they used tar or pitch on the frame joints, but now I can't find it, will have to go through the books again...

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo

Manage to spend some quality time in the workshop. Planking the inside is done to the level of the lower deck.

 

 
The guide lines for the treenails is marked, next is drilling the holes and do the treenails.

 
In the meantime I planed to do something different for the deck beams. I did a two timber deck beam with a table and lipped scarph.
 
The one on the right is glued and with the black paper. It came out better then I was expecting for a first try. Now the problem is that the plans are made to use a constant thickness beam which is not the case of this one.

 
Any advice on how to compensate for this? In the case of the lower left and upper right beam arm it must be shorter then on the plans and the other two it must be bigger... I could not find an example of a two timber beam on a model (found several examples of a three timber beams though). As for this one the cuts for the beam arms and carling will "cut" the scarph of the beam.
 
Any advice is welcome...
 
Hugo