Glenn-UK
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No time in shipwrights office yesterday as the Admiral and I were tasked with looking after the grandkids (3 years and 6 months) all day, which was nice but hard work! Managed to get 2.5 hours in office today and started first planking. I decided to use the plank bending tool which is working like a dream. I also decided to butt joint each plank around mid point. I am very impressed that Jerry did the first planking as 1 strip, well done! It is taking about 20 minutes to cut, bend, glue and pin two planks that will go from bow to stern. I'm using standard wood glue for this stage. Here are some pictures of the start. On the starboard side I let the first plank follow it natural path, which resulted in fitting a filler piece, as you can see I have followed the traditional advise with maximum depth of cut to only 1/2 plank width But joint, and additional filler pieces fitted On the port side it was not necessary to fit a filler piece as the plank natural flow did stay true with gun port strip 272! 2nd plank row also followed the same natural path on port side. Butt joint for adjacent planks terminate on different bulkheads Also found it necessary to fit an additional filler plank at stern, so plank could follow it natural path.
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Hello Mick With my last boat build I bent planks by soaking which was fine and Jerry' s plank soaking device is a great idea and is worthy of consideration by all boat builders. That's what I like about this forum the tips and tricks you can pick up from the other modellers plus plenty of free advice on specific topics related to your own build. I bought the plank bending tool last year and tried on a few test strips to see how much pressure would be required and I'm happy with the results. The pin pusher with an adjustable stop is currently out of stock from CMB. I have found with care and patience I can usually get the pin in OK for easy removal later. Sometimes I use a pin hammer to get the pin in deeper and sometimes I need to ease the pin back a tad.
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Whilst waiting for port gun strip 272 strip glue to cure, I decided to test plank bending with tool. First I marked the length of the bend and marked every 10mm to identify when I wanted to use the tool. This gave a reasonable bend but I felt it need more so added a second set crimps between the first set of crimps. This seemed to do the trick. I also trimmed plank so it would sit on bulkhead near centre of hull. As per Dave's (Shipyard Sid) advice I also added some additional support strips on the butt joint contact area. I think I will need to make one more adjust to starboard strip 272 as I have just noted the strip is sitting a bit proud on a couple of the bottom bulkheads around bulkhead 2 & 3. A spot of glue and use of clamp should do the trick.
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Hi Kevin Thanks for the message, I'm at a very earlier stage, only 30 hours into the build, due to start first planking tomorrow! I have enjoyed looking at your build log, it nice to see what everyone else has done.
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Hi Mick I think you will find you need to remove the pins before you sand the hull. Glenn
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Dave I'm very impressed with your work, you are an inspiration to us fellow HMS Victory builders who follow in your wake. And I'm sure you will have the shrouds and ratlines restored to good order in next to no time. Glenn ps look forward to your next batch of photos.
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Next section glued and clamped, will have to let dry until morning, I may clamp next section first thing in morning before work so I can then finish when I get home from work - well it sounds like a plan! Here is a couple of new photos.
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I have started gluing the port side gun port strip 272 tonight, which like the starboard side, will be done in 3 or 4 steps, so I can use my available clamps to the full. Should be completed tomorrow evening so I can start with the 1st planking at weekend Not sure how much time I will get as eldest son moves house tomorrow so I may be on house DIY tasks, or looking after the Grandkids. The eldest grandson is 3 years old and loves sneaking in to the shipwrights office, I'm told he was very impressive on Wednesday, with his wonderful comment WOW!, what more can I ask! Whilst I wait for the glue to dry here are some pictures of the gun strip 272 assembly from start to current status. Starboard gun strip 272 Stern Starboard gun strip 272 Stern close up, showing alignment is correct Starboard gun strip 271 / 272 slight bump on bow, but this will sand out without to much effort. Starboard gun strip 272 completed Start of port side gun port strip 272 Gun ports are all clear of the bulkheads which is good news, gun port support strips installed on all gun ports to aid the lining process later on in the build, which can be seen in some of the above photos.
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Hi Gil I've a long way to go on my HMS Victory build before I can even think about what you are now doing with the coiling, but what fantastic work and great detail and advice to help us mere mortals along the way. Many thanks Glenn
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Hi David Thanks I was looking at adding stealers, half stealers, drops etc. as necessary, as the planks will run along the natural path. I do think staggered butt joints is the better way to go at the moment. I know all about leaving pin heads free, as I didn't on my first boat build and it took an age to remove them all. My pin pusher does have an present depth adjustment, its just a matter of feel. I tend to get the pin started with the pusher, and then use my trusty pin hammer to finish off. Glenn
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Look forward to more pictures as your planking processes.
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Thanks Jerry and Gary. I would think starting at bow end makes most sense. The butt joints would not show as they are hidden by the second layer of planking. I plan to use wood glue and pins. I have a pin pusher which I used to aid the gun port strips installation. I also have 2 boxes of the colour headed pins. I will try both and see which one is easier to use, I'm more inclined to use pin pusher at moment. Not sure if I will soak planks or use my plank bender, again I will experiment with both to see which is easier. I would like to think the plank bender will be best for this ship.
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Just a quick update, no pictures as I have left my phone at work - dooh Anyway starboard gun port strip 272 has now been installed, glued and clamped in sections. Will start with port side tomorrow night so should be ready to start first planking at weekend. In Keith Julier's New Period Ship Handbook he suggested planking in two section with butt joints around the central bulkheads so you were only having to bend one end when fitting to hull. Did anyone follow this advice? If not what is best approach to fit as one piece, start centrally and work forward to bow and the aft to stern, shaping and bending as necessary before installation.
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Slow progress as I wait for glue to dry as each of the gun port strips are attached to the hull assembly, here is a couple of pictures for first part of gun port strip 271 starboard. After this was clamped I decided to remove the quarter gallery pieces as I can start to dry assembly and adjust pieces as necessary.
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Hi Patrick I have only fitted the additional fillers to the bow section. I didn't think it would be necessary for the stern.
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Hi Jerry Many thanks for your comments. I must admit most of the time I do not feel in control, but as I take the time to study and test the build instructions I generally get comfortable with the tasks in hand, especially with the added support from the other boat builders like David and yourself. I take your point and did ponder if I should add the additional balsa blocks as I have never done so before to aid planking before. However giving the length and angle of the bend thought it worth the extra 30 minutes of effort to fit.
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Both gun port strips 270 now glued to hull assembly and just completing adding additional balsa supports at stern end to aid the planking process; here is some pictures taken during this building phase. Front end of strip 270 glued and clamped Full length picture of strip 270, note the additional gun port support strips in place to aid the gun port lining process later on in second picture. Also picture of strip 271 with gun port lining support strips added. Note the block of beeswax in third picture, which may be useful in a much later down the line when I start the rigging. Finally a couple of picture of the bow showing the additional balsa planking supports, one side shaped and one side work in progress.
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Hello Patrick Glad all the cannon balls are accounted for and look forward to the new pictures once the work is complete. It is a great feeling when you know you can move on to the next stage. Glenn
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Once again David has come up trumps and given me the confidence all is OK to carry on. Starboard gun strip 270 glued in position bulkhead 18 to 10, Once dried I will glue the second half.
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I have a question regarding the correct positioning of gun port strip 272 in relation to gun port strip 270 and stern extension 106. I don't want to go ahead without the advice fellow Victory modellers who have completed this task. I'm happy to align gun port strip 270 at 1mm between bulkheads 6 and 9 The manual states the gun strip 270 must be flush with edge of stern extension 106, and I have aligned the lower curve on 270 to align with the bottom of the same curve on the edge of 106, near my thumb in photos. I think it is important that the edges of the upper and lower gun port opening line up. Is this correct? I have to make sure there is a smooth line from the edge of 270 to 272. This seems to indicate I may need to file the shape edge of 270/106 because if I move 272 to create a smooth line I lose the gun port alignment. Is this correct? I have not faired bulkhead 18 so the gun port strips sit square on the bulkhead edge for maximum contact. I assume I will need to do this.
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Thanks Jerry your comment is greatly appreciated. I'm trying be be thorough as I'm not the most experienced model boat builder and like to plan ahead before I committee given the initial problem with the bulkhead assembly. Just taking a few minutes looking at stern assembly to see how 270, 373 and 374 line up before I finally glue 270 to hull.
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OK, spent best part of 4 hours fairing the bulkheads, I think the are OK now, my only concern is bulkhead18. I think its OK but until I start the planking I cant be sure if I need to adjust the steep angle faired. As can be seen slight adjustment still need on bulkhead 15 That's much better Slight adjustment need on bulkhead4 Bulkhead18, fingers crossed
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The test piece idea was ok but I think it there will be problems with ensuring the accuracy of each piece. As Dave pointed out I will also have to contend with the hull curvature. It was worth a try but at the moment I will put it on the back burner as I'm more inclined to fitting each lining piece direct to port.
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Spent 2 1/2 hours in the adding batten to starboard strip 270. Then made a rough gun port lining assembly which I hope will fit in the gun ports in one easy move when its time to install the actual linings. I will made a small jig to aid the assembly of the gun port lining if the test piece works out. I did not fit battens on the sides which were close to bulkheads. Also made sure the depth was OK for when the inner bulwarks / lining strips are fitted. The test lining is not perfectly made, I just want to test the installation method. I will test the lining later tonight - watch this space.
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