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not sure but i think you can get gun shot that is not lead ,must check it out next week One cartridge at 10 p maybe 50 connon balls Or what aboyt BBs? -
Whenever i need inspiration i take another look through your log .First class work but im still confused by all the nautical terms ,perhaps when i reach this stage in my build i will have learned a bit more . Keep the pics coming and im waiting to see what you do about a display case???
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Are you sure this is your first build ? ,if so your doing a great job and it sounds as if you got the building bug . I bet you have the next kit picked out in your head if not bought already . For the small delicate work i find a set of magnifing glasses are a must and a flexable table light very usefull but maybe your eyes are younger than mine . You mentioned cannon balls and i thought id mention something im looking into at present . If you have a local gunshop or know someone who uses a shotgun try opening a cartridge and you will find its filled with cannon balls . you may be able to find the size you want and very cheap . Keep up the good work and plenty of pics but above all have fun.
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tks patrickmil all views and suggestions are more than welcome ,and representing the yellow strips has kept me awake many nights although im a long way of that yet .Two problems i can forsee.First is timber choices at a reasonable price in the uk are restricted and i prefare to use a local source if possible for consistancy . Second is to simulate the victory strips in wood could be beyond my ability as to keep the wales in the proper place would leave the yellow strips uneven . However as i never set out to build an authentic victory in the first place some artistic interpitation could be a solution . At present my intentions are cherry for all the hull and Debetou (a dark wood ) for the wales and although these are ordered as with so much of this kit plans could change in time . If you are thinking of trying this kit it is value for money , all the basics are there and if built straight from the box would probably finish up a reasonable model ,but as i said earlier this was aimed at expert builders and for relative newbes like me its quite a challange .I have eventualy come to the conclusion to build my own way and with a lot of help from this site am becoming more confident After all i will probably be the only one to see it anyway ,Look in on the other 2 builds as well they may have different opinions . keep in touch i need all the advice i can get . Have fun!
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Sorry David for calling you Sid . Your comment on the plans is correct they are useless . I recently looked on the Billings site and see this kit is meant for expert builders which might explain minimal instructions , also read about a newly realeased kit which apparently has greatly improved instructions so maybe Billings are going in the right direction. I know i have complained a lot about this kit but actualy for my purposes it should work out ok .I didnt want copper plates , i wanted to try out different woods and i wanted to add detail as i felt able .For the money i think perhaps i got what i wanted so no more complaining !!! Time will tell ? I know its not meant to be double planked but feel i have to to achive the finish im hoping for . Boyd
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Hi Sid ,progress has been slow due to good weather so work takes over . This was supposed to be a double planked hull but i think Billings count the gunport strips as one layer and a coat of paint as the second layer on the lower hull???!!!! .Because i hope to avoid paint i ordered 0.5 cherry to put a second layer on the hull so no i wont be copper plating .Ordered numerous other bits and pieces of timber to replace plastic gun carriages etc ,will soon run into the price of the CC Victory
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hi Keith ,I came to the same conclusion and have ordered 0.5 cherry to finish the hull although i dont intend coppering or painting but thought if you were you might get away with the wood provided ,plenty of fillers and sanding ??? Your pics of the decking look great .
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your moving on at speed of knots ,ill never catch you now .you must be working double shifts . its starting to take shape nicely and yes the wood supplied is nearly as bad as the instructions but you seem to be doing a great job ,dont forget to paint the fiddley bits before fitting and keep the pics coming.have fun !!
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Am still trying to figure out which woods to use for second planking .Latest thought is cherry for main hull planking . I can get a 0.5 x 4 strip localy at reasonable price but have never used this thin before and not sure if it will cause problems apart from the obvious lack of sanding depth .will the thiner strip be easier bent or will it break easier ? ,anyone looking in with views or experience your opinions would be apreciated .As this is an extra layer of planking its not needed for strength only for apearance Think i have decided on Maple for the decks and Dibetou on the wales,Beech for gun carriages (to replace the plastic) possibly Bakopi for gunport linings as all these are woods i haven,t used before and this was after all an experimental build .
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The cut out ones on the upper deck are for cannons fitted on gun carriages (the plastic ones) .I would suggest painting the background for the dummy cannons ,i believe normally matt black .Have fun !
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getting to the stage where i need more wood , have changed my mind daily but am now wondering if 0.5 cherry would be suitable for second planking of hull . would prefere 1mm but 0.5 is readily available at reasonable price but am afraid at this thickness i will have limited room for sanding .Just wondered if anyone has used this thickness for hull planking and is it easier to bend ????
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so now we are three.I m still working on the gun ports but just wanted to mention about the joint of the gunport strips at the bow If done as the instructions surely there will be a step for the planking .Maybe im missing the obvious but as i intend double planking i decided to step the strip back in about 1.5 mm leaving a smooth run for the first run of planks .This also meant Ihad to add an extra piece of 4 mm ply to fix it to (colored in pencil in photo)Also meant i had to cut a piece out of the posts ( part 25).I hope i havent overthought this but better safe than sorry. I covered the rough side of the ply on the posts as if stained they show up
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you nave been busy Michael ! you asked earlier about part 232 of the gallery ,having looked at a few photos of the real thing and the kit parts in my opinion it should be slightly bent to fit .My past limited experience has taught me to dryfit as far in front as possible ,unlike plastic models a lot is left to the imagination of the builder so i always double check before glueing . Dont worry to much about an odd space at this stage provided you get the basic structure correct ,the next layer of planking will cover it. took me a while as well to figure out that pieces 151-158 are sloped so i think they and 232 should be fitted at the same time .One other thing i discovered is the fitting of the gunport strips at the bow but will explain in my own log if you care to take a look I assume you read the other log as they are a wealth of information and tips etc .Just be carefull and dont rush with the glue especialy as the instructions are so vague Im just as much in the dark as you but between the three of us we will figure it out,or maybe one of the many experts on this site will start the same build .Feel free to ask anything either on your log or mine ill be keeping watch . have fun
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hi michael i have recently started the same build so that makes 3 build logs of this victory ,maybe we have started a new crase !!! Instructions are useless in this kit and im afraid if its authenticity your after its also lacking but for a first build its a lot of kit for the money .i downloaded the cc instructions in hope of a few pointers but its an entirely different kit and apart from a few pictures not much help . No previous build logs either to search for help .Im now reconciled to the fact that each builder is the captain of his own ship and will build it my way to the best of my ability . Your gunport strips look better fitting than mine so i think i either faired to much or not enough? but that is easy sorted . Not at the stern section yet but will look to night my first thought is you need to bend it slightly to fit . Also be carefull where the gunport strips meet the hull at the bow , they may need to be cut back slightly to leave a clear run for the main planking ,will post a pic on my log to nite to explain better .Also take a look at the third build log ,we are all in this together . Have fun.
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Glad to see my fellow Billings builder is back and in a great new fitted out workshop . I think ill trail behind and pick up all the info Making a hash of this post but was trying to write under each picture .Anyway gunport strips glued and nailed just a few spaces to fill and sand to leave ready for first planking .I thought this was supposed to be a double planked kit but i think i will have to supply the second planks myself . I decided to go with box type dummy gunports as there is no structure between the frames to work from .Made from balsa as i have no power tools as yet ,made them up from strips and then cut to size . Seems to work ok and will be easy lined which i hear can sometimes cause problems ,Tryed extending the dummy cannons but think i need something slightly thicker ,would like a lathe but other things come first
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glad to see you back . thats one great workshop and so tidy i hope it lasts Im green with envy when i see all those power tools ,something i have been considering myself since i started the same build as you .We will need all the help we can get ,those intructions are pretty lousey.I have been trying to pick up a few hints from the cc builds but apart from some helpfull pictures its an intirely different kit Have you tried the CC site some measurements and diagrams of wales etc which arent even mentioned in my instructions ? I will be following you with interest as my build will be slow due to some alterations im atempting so get back to work AND POST PLENTY OF PICTURES. Enjoy!!!
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I think im getting the way of these instructions ,Burn them and make it up as you go along .After more head scratching i decided to cut out the gunportes and deepen them as i dont think the shallow ones would look right ,this of coarse means i will have to extend the dummy cannons or buy new ones . this will all take time but will mean there is no rush in deciding on which wood for final planking .Plans have changed ,i had intended useing a dark wood for wales and light for victory strips but after some research the strips would be impossible without painting As this will not be an authentic model anyway i reckon hull all one wood and wales something darker.Nailed on the gunport strips and although not a very neat fit they will be covered with two more layer of wood . Trying to dryfit and check everything in advance as there dont seem to be anyone else building this kit (i wonder why). maybe more pics tomorrow depends on progress.
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hi Glennard your build is going great ,thats the good thing about this site there is always someone who has made the mistakes before and will advise you how to avoid or correct them . Seems you aint made any yet .I to have resently joined the club of Victory builders but mine is the Billings version (i know im miserable) and my problem is the other two Billings builders seem to have left town,instructions measurement and detail are a bit vague in my kit but then i knew this would probably be the case before i bought it so as you seem to be nearest my build stage i was hoping i could ask a few questions from time to time . Assuming you dont mind and please say if you do ,can you give me approx depth of dummy gun ports as i need to scratch build them and is your deck planking 3 or 4 mm and hullplanking 4 or 5 mm .Thanks ill try not to bother you to much and keep up the good work.
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Finaly got the hull glued together today,after much head scratching and searching through these glorious instructions i could find no reason not to ,so went for it .Decided the simplist way to make sure everything was in line was to dryfit the two main decks before the glue got dry.There were several guide holes and sloted pieces so i dont think i can go wrong (famous last words) and although not all the pieces were a tight fit individually when all sloted together it seemed very solid even before glue.I had visions of endless measuring ,clamping and god knows what just to get everything straight . This kit may have downsides but at least the parts fit .Now my next problem is there is no mention at all of making dummy gun ports ,as the pictures show the corners of the gunports have been laser cut plus hole in the centre for dummy barrels but are these meant to be cut out or left as is and leave a 2mm deep dummy gun port .If so why cut the corners ? .Are the cuts just a guide for planking or are they giving the builder the option ? Or am i being bloody stupid and missing the obvious ???? I think part of my problem is i have read to many logs of CC Victorys and this is very different but i cant decide if this is a simple build or a very complicated one .last picture is of present woods i hope to use ,not to clear Oh has anyone used black cherry?
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hi bikerbob . Not nice when it happens . Im no expert but from what i have read on this site depending on wwat pieces and how badly they are bowed it may be better to consider getting them replaced .Most of the main manufactures seem more than happy to replace any damaged or missing parts.I know it can hold up your build but better that than a twisted model . At least contact them and see what they say .
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glad to see the pictures came up,im learning. spent the day cutting out and cleaning parts for hull asembly.dry fitted and cut out bearding line .dont think i need a rabbit line as planks will run in at nearly 90 % .Plus the false hull is part of the main hull and covered after planking with a 1mm strip. New way of doing it to me and took a while to figure out but it may work alright ?.I need to order wood soon but wanted to build the main hull first to get a few measurements Have decided to first plank with the 1.8 / 7mm OBECHI provided and cover with MANZONIA on bottom hull ,wales with DIBETOU and usual yellow strips in beech .Had been thinking of lime for decking but further research points to MAPLE being a good deck material. (these may change) Also made up a slip to hold the hull and copied an idea i found on this site for a revolving table ,may need a few alterations but could be very usefull to turn model pictures if interested
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Hi all,i have finally decided to start a build log and hope my limited computer skills wont let me down but doing is the best way to learn.Victory will be my 3rd build and although i havent finished my CC Cruiser im at the rigging and will use it for a change now and again (excuse to leave it and start Victory) .My 1st kit was a Billings BLUENOSE 11 about 3 years ago to see if a 35 year break from building 100s of plastic kits had killed my modeling desire.They say you go back to your childhood ,and thats certainly the case with me ,i now have a fair bit of spare time and intend to spend most of it modeling .I found MSW a great help in my previous 2 builds and looking over the billings instructions i will certainly need a lot of help on this one as well .So i thought id start this log in good time before i get into difficulties. Part of the reason for buying the billings victory (apart from cost) is that i want to experiment with different woods and use a natural finish where possible without paint .Tried it to a limited extent on my cruiser and learned enough to want to take it a stage further and im hoping there are enough like minded experts on this site to keep me right and point me in the right direction, im open to all suggestions / opinions / suggestions /critisms.Illnow try to put on a few pictures and hope it works, i hope to here from you all. photos of new workplace and progress so far and neglected Cruiser
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tks clloyd just finished a 1:64 and it had 4mm so was thinking i might need to drop 1mm .had been thinking on lime for decking as i intend trying my hand at joggling and can get it in a number of different widths . have dicovered that CONSTRUCTO supply some of the above mentioned woods with their kits . am at present making up samples of the different woods and varnishing to see which look best together
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by bottom plank i assume you nean the first planking .I need to use this OBECHI for something and apparently its next to BALSA.Im thinking that maybe you mill your own wood ,have you used any of ones mentioned in wy first post,LIME is the only one i have even heard of ???.Cheers
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