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Hi Chris Welcome to the endeavour club. I built this kit twenty something years ago, your box looks identical to mine, so same age I reckon. When I built it I left everything natural wood except for some blue on the upper part of the sides and stern. I wanted it to be an ornament more than a scale model, and it still holds pride of place on the shelf in my living room. There are pics of it in the gallery on here if you want to check out the finish etc. Cheers Steve -
Too what degree are shrouds and stays served
shipaholic replied to markjay's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hi Mark The answer to your question is that the foremost shrouds were served their entire length, the rest of the shrouds were served to just below the futtock staves. Fore and main stays were served to just below the mouse. Back stays were served to just below the splices or lashings Cheers Steve -
Hmmmm this subject is very interesting. It seems that yellow ochre was common during the era even with the French as seen in this pic. Not the pink that they are proposing for the Victory
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Dave, your work is fantastic, great attention to detail. I'll be up your way next week. Cheers Steve
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Hi Hof The drawings in the AOTS are different scales. Some drawings are not to scale but for the ones that are the scale is written above the drawing legend. Most of the drawings are 1/8" = 1 foot which is 1:96 scale Cheers Steve
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Yes very good points B.E. And Robin
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Hi Mike Yes it's quite a job doing the lashings on the collar in-situ. The replica has a short mizzenmast and its one thing they got wrong, if you look at the mizzen channels on the replica they are wider than the fore and main channels otherwise the mizzen shrouds would foul against the rough tree rails because the mast is too short, not right. If you look at every other ship of the period the mizzen mast cap is level with the main top. The AOTS is correct in this regard. I made my mizzenmast to the dimensions in the AOTS, looks good. Greg the peg leg sailor sent me a very very good article that also claimed that the bowsprit on the replica and in the AOTS are too short as well because the main stay and the fore stay should be roughly parallel, which again is what you see in every other ship of the period. I was seriously contemplating removing my bowsprit and making a longer one. Might yet do that. Cheers Steve
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Yes good point BE here is a painting supposedly done two years after Nelson's death showing Victory with yellow ochre stripes, and before the refit that closed in the stern galleries? Note the other ship's stripes are not as yellow, what's with that? Lots of unanswered questions.
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Yes Dafi I think the French got beaten because they were too busy laughing to man the guns - who paints a warship pink? Good tactic Nelson! A lot of People who have built Victory will now be crying in their beers. Yes I too now have an historically inaccurate black and yellow meter-long monolith on my bookcase Steve
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Hi Hof Re the paint, I also got mine from Miniature Steam, I'm sure they will mail them to you in NZ. Another alternative is Cornwall Model Boats in the UK, the mail service is fast and I usually receive stuff from them within a week or so from UK to Aus Re the top layer planking, with my Endeavour I put the main Wales on first and planked up from that which meant the planks needed to curve upwards, which makes the task difficult if the planks are thin because they would rather kink than curve. I used PVA glue inter spaced with CA every inch and lots of pins and planking clamps to stop the planks wanting to kink. The effect was good with the planks following a nice upward curve like you see on a real ship. Cheers Steve
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Yes you are correct Robin, I have seen photos of one of the editions online and the stern view is definitely the Bounty
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I am in Sydney visiting my partner's family, Weather was nice so I decided to go for another look at the replica at the ANMM.
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Chris I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you, I have the first and second editions and they are basically the same except for the cover as far as I can see. Steve
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Thanks Mike The fore and main stays are Syren 1.37mm, the fore and main preventer stays are Syren 1.14mm. The main stay collar is 1.37 Cheers
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Thanks for all the compliments and likes guys. Main preventer stay heart and seizings, mouse and collar.
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Hi Mike The standing part is attached to the yardarm. Here is a pic from Lees "Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War" Also a pic from the AL Endeavour instructions, and a pic of my dusty old AL Endeavour showing the rope attached to the yard arm like shown in Longridge's "Anatomy of Nelsons Ships". Note that single blocks are used on the yard arm. The AOTS has double blocks for some reason . Its also interesting how the full size replica Endeavour vessel has the jeers set up differently with three single blocks Cheers Steve
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Hi Mike Re your question about slings, according to Lees slings came into use around 1773 Cheers Steve
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I spent most of the weekend making the main stay and main preventer stay, lots of worming and serving. I am doing a collar around the bowsprit like the replica vessel for the mainstay. Very fiddly work doing the seizings with the collar in-situ
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Hi Dave Does this help? It's the draught that the AOTS references
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Those hinges are fantastic Dave, well done
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Hi Pat, yes I see what you mean, I just looked at my AL Endeavour and those trestle trees are really small. I also notice that only the two aft top gallant shrouds are rigged, then I looked at the AL instructions and that's what they say.
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Thanks Pat looks like between the other Steve and myself we have answered your question. You must be using too thick a thread if it wont fit through the holes. I have been very careful to get the scale of my rope right and I am surprised how thin the mizzen lower shrouds are, and thats at 1:51 scale. They look thick in the photo I just posted but they are only 0.75mm. Steve
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Mizzen shrouds made and ready to get installed. I made the rope on my elcheapo ropewalk and served them on my wonderful Domanov serving machine.
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On the subject of serving the topgallant shrouds I have found the following. Here is a diagram from Darcy Lever's "Young Sea Officers Sheet Anchor" which shows the shrouds only served where they reeve through the trestle trees, also a pic of the Endeavour replica showing the same setup. Lets go with this.
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Thanks Mike, yes I have done the seizing as you described, that last pic is on the port side with the tail end seized aft of the shroud.
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