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    Stuntflyer reacted to Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    Just a small update...
     
    I was eager to get started with the planking of the bulwarks.   There is no trick for this.  Its just a grind of cutting and shaping planks to fit between the ports.   Its a slow process and you must be very neat and keep the cuts around the ports straight etc.
     
    The planking is all 3/64" thick.   Just as I did with the Winnie, the two strakes below the the ports (the spirketting) were added first.  The spirketting is normally thicker than the planks above it and stands proud.  I have always accomplished this by planking the spirketting in two layers.  It still amazes me how few kit mfgs even show this feature.  You dont have to do it this way if you dont want to.  You could just use 1/16" or even 5/64" thick planking and do it one layer.   Its up to you.  I will add the second layer of spirketting once the entire side has been planked.  I will use a .025" thick second layer.  
     
    Having said this...some notes are in order.   The top of the spirketting is lined up perfectly flush with the bottom of the gun ports and sweep ports.   This is great if you happened to get lucky and they all line up perfectly.   I dont care who is making the model, this is pretty impossible to do.   Even the most skilled builders will need to tweak the bottom sills of each port so they line up perfectly with the top edge of spirketting.  This will become very apparent after you run your planking strip down the inboard bulwarks.   I was very lucky in that most of the ports only needed some minor tweaking.   Some were just a hair too high.  Less than 1/64".   So I used a sharp chisel to  make the ports sits flush along the top of the spirketting.  you can see that in the photo below.  The ports will need a lot of paint touch up which was expected.  Whatever you do,  do not notch out your spirketting to accommodate a port.  Try and keep the top edge of the spirketting a nice continuous run without notching it.  Should one of your ports sit too low...I recommend instead that you add a sliver of wood on top of the port sill to raise it up in line with the spirketting.
     
    I hope that makes sense.
     
    See below...notice how I did not use any pencil to simulate the seams between each strake.   In fact, just the opposite.   I am painting the bulwarks red so this allowed me to take a small shortcut.  You may want to consider it as well.  I dont want any seams to show at all.  In fact I didnt even have to use two individual strakes for the spirketting.   If you look towards the fcastle bulwark planking you can see the area I havent planked yet.  I used one wide strip of 3/64" thick cedar instead of using two narrower strakes as is typical.  I believe it was around 1/2" wide.  Probably slightly wider on the aft portion.   
     
    Then because we know the sweep ports are 3/16" high,  a 3/16" strip was used next and cut between the ports and sweeps.   I was careful to be very neat with these cuts.
     
    Finally the remaining planking above the sweep ports would normally consist of two more strakes.   Because I am painting the bulwarks, I once again used ONE wider strip of 3/64" thick cedar so I could quickly fill in those areas in one pass.  It should paint up very nicely.  This reduced the number of neatly cut ends to all those strakes between the ports.   There are fewer seams to keep neat as well.   The photo almost looks like a solid hull because there are few seams showing between strakes.  
     
    Now if you are NOT going to paint the bulwarks red....this means you will have to use individual narrow strakes.  It will take many more cuts and trial fittings...repeat and repeat again.  That is your choice.  I will take more pics after the second layer of spirketting is added and after the bulwarks are painted red.  The bow area will be planked with narrower strakes just as they should be.  It will be easier to bend those.   But once the bulwarks are painted red nobody will be able to tell how many strakes you actually used.   So you must make a decision ...to paint or not to paint.  Essentially you can plank what's remaining of the bulwarks with just three rows cedar strips.   The wood package comes with your typical 3/16", 7/32", 1/4" and 9/32" wide planking strips that are narrow, so you will need to buy some 3/64" sheets should you want to plank your bulwarks like I have done here.  Then you can cut some 1/2" wide strips instead.   But only if you will be painting the bulwarks red.
     
     
     
     
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    Stuntflyer reacted to AnobiumPunctatum in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    Thanks for the information. I fully understand your motivation not to make the knees
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Rustyj in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Capt Morgan (Steve) - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 Scale - POF Sloop   
    Looks really nice Steve. I've put a coat of WOP on mine. I feel it helps keep it clean. 
     
     
    It does add a little depth to the wood but not a lot. I do put light a coat on and wipe it off right away. That seem to help retain the natural color.
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    Stuntflyer reacted to CaptMorgan in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Capt Morgan (Steve) - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 Scale - POF Sloop   
    I've been making a little progress and got the keel finished up.  Thought I would throw a few pictures of where we stand so far...
    I have the build board all set to go.  I pretty much followed Mikes lead - can't go wrong doing that....
     


    Next up will be attaching the false keel - seems I forgot that till I seen the pictures...   After that I think I will put on some WOP that to protect what I have done so far. 
    Then fixing the plans to the build board.
    So far --- so good...    Thanks for looking in.
    Steve
     
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from FrankWouts in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    So nice, Chuck. Everything seems to be fitting together as planned. However, I know that there where several iterations in design to get there.
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    Stuntflyer reacted to jpalmer1970 in The Hayling Hoy by jpalmer1970 - 1:48 scale - First POF build   
    Just a brief update on the latest work on the keel and stem.
     
    The rear of the keel tapers in width from 12" to 10" and so this was sanded to size. I also drilled the scarph joint with a #75 drill and used 24 gauge copper wire as bolts.

    The stem was glued to the front section of the keel at the boxing joint. The front of the keel and the lower part of the stem also taper in width from 12" to 10" and so this was also sanded to size before the boxing joint bolts were added.

    At present I haven't glued the forward section of the keel to the rear two pieces as I feel it might be easier to have the keel in two parts whilst I am shaping and fitting the other pieces which fit to it, such as the stepson and the deadwood etc. I am less likely to knock it and damage it if it is in two smaller parts rather than one longer piece. Finally at this stage I fixed the acrylic stem mount to the board.

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    Stuntflyer reacted to AnobiumPunctatum in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF   
    This is looking really really good.
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    Thank You...
     
    The cabins on the aft lower platform are completed.   No detailed explanation since they are built exactly like the others.   Each partition wall is built up with two layers glued together.   Then they are detailed with hinges and door handles as required along with any upright timbers 1/8" x 1/8" strips.   Their heights and widths are adjusted to fit under the deck beams etc.   Finally they are assembled and glued into position.
     
    Here is the tiny powder and filling rooms completed.  These walls are slightly thicker than the other cabins as was normally the case.  An extra laser cut sheet of parts shows how all the cabins are prepared for you.   They are all numbered and shown on the plans.  I built them in the order that they are numbered.
     

    All of the cabins completed.
     


    Next up is to complete the remaining deck beams carlings and ledges.
     
     
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from abhi45 in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Stuntflyer (Mike) - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF   
    Mast steps
    Over the weekend I completed the two mast steps. The location of these is very important and the plans really helped me out here.
     
    Mizzen step: The first thing I did was to tack glue the three sections together with a spot or two of school glue. Then I milled the notch which goes over the keelson. After breaking the pieces apart, I milled the notch into the top of the middle piece and glued the aft and middle sections together permanently. Next, I angled the bottom edge about 5° to account for the upward sweep of the keelson. I worked the two sections until everything was sitting flush with the limber strakes and keelson. The fore section was then positioned over the keelson, against the first two pieces, and shaped accordingly.
     
    You might be asking, why didn't I  just glue all three pieces together from the start? It wasn't long before I realized that the shape of the fore and aft pieces were not Identical. The aft piece had a slightly different angle at the foot than the fore piece. This is due to the twist in the limber strake, I think. Doing this in stages allowed me to get each piece angled correctly without the hassle of trying to work the whole piece at once.
     
    According to the plan, the center of the mizzen step sits .151" (approx 5/32") in front of the aft edge of frame 11F. I glued the step into position using a cross piece and shim to account for that distance. This also helped to get the step perpendicular to the keel.

    Main step: This was made basically the same way as the mizzen step. It sits over frame Ba. Unlike the mizzen step, I didn't need to taper the foot. The distance between the centers of the two steps is approx 9-5/32".

    For the pins I turned down a 1/16" dowel using the Dremel tool. They are press fitted without the need for glue.

    I've had so much fun making these that I almost forgot that I need to finish up the outer hull planking.😏
     
    Mike
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    Stuntflyer reacted to abhi45 in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by abhi45 - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 Scale - POF Sloop   
    Hi All, 
     
    About to start the Syren Speedwell build. I have received the chapter 1 and 2 parts and have gone through them all - the quality is great. As this is my very first ship build I will be taking it fairly slowly and will be learning from the other excellent builds on this forum. Any tips and suggestions would be greatly appreciated ! 
     
    I have already assembled the build board from 25mm thick MDF and have glued x2 50x25mm strips to the underside of the board lengthways, along with a series of smaller strips across the width between the 2 long pieces. Hopefully this ensures the board does not warp. The plan I have had printed and have secured to the board using 3M mount spray aligning using a centre line on the board as reference. 
     

     
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    Thank you for saying...
     
    I am trying to set aside time regularly to make a little progress.
     
    Continuing with the center line fittings below deck, the WELL was next up.   This is a relatively simple structure.  The four sides are laser cut and etched.  You need to do just a few things before you glue up the four sides.  
     
    First...make sure the fore and aft sides sit nicely on the keel.  Once you adjust them as needed,  you can cut the four upright columns to length.   How do you determine the length of these.  The two aft columns are shorter.  These are simply cut to fit under the next deck beam.  No  big deal.   The two columns on the fore side of the well are different and taller.   These two columns are cut so the tops are flush with the TOP of the gun deck beams or carlings.
    You will have an opportunity to sand these shorter so dont over sand them initially.

    Assembling the well is straight forward after you glue the columns to the port starboard sides of the well ahead of time as shown above.   You can also use some scrap tiny strips of wood to make the toggle handles for the access door.  Then just glue them on.   They are clearly shown on the plans.
     

    With the four sides glued up and square...test it on your model.   After any minor tweaks you can glue it position permanently.
     

     
    Then the next few gun deck beams, carlings and ledges were taken care of.   Eventually you will get to the beams where the capstan step needs to be built along the center line.  So you will need to stop and assemble the capstan step.   I glued those appropriate deck beams in position so I had a reference point to test fit the step periodically.  The step is also laser cut for you and has a recessed circle in the center.   This will accept the heel of the capstan drum...eventually.
     
    The step is bolted to two columns that are set on top of  keel.   These two columns are 1/8" x 1/8" strips just like the other support columns under the beams.   Hopefully you havent forgotten to add any up until now.   They are all shown on the plans.  
     
    You must cut the two columns to fit under their respective gun deck beams.   Now you have to determine where along those beams the capstan step will be placed.   You can use the plans of course but it is doubtful it will match your model perfectly.  Mine didnt.   So just understand that the capstan step is slightly higher the lower aft platform and it is level.   Because you know this you can mark the columns for the height of the capstan step with the columns "snug" fit temporarily in position.
     
    When I was comfortable that I had the proper height worked out, I was ready to glue it in position.  But first I had to add the simulated bolts on the capstan step.   I used 25 lb black fishing line to simulate these.  And yes the photo shows the step upside down so you can see the hole for the drum.   But rest assured it will be glued in position right-side up!!
     

    The capstan step in position...and the carlings added afterwards.
     

    And some other views...of the gun deck up to this point with the ledges completed.
     

     


    Almost to the other side of the gun deck.  But next up are all of the cabins on the aft lower platform.   Onward and upward as they say!!
     
     
     
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from JeffT in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by JeffT - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 scale - POF Sloop   
    Ditto! Very nice start. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Erik W in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by Erik W - 1:48 scale   
    Fred,  Thanks for the compliment!  The build is definitely coming along nicely.  As a bit of a perfectionist, I know I'm my own worst critic.  That is definitely both a good and a bad trait at the same time!  Haha.
     
    Erik 
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Erik W in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by Erik W - 1:48 scale   
    After pulling some hair out, and the remainder going gray, haha, I have finished the backstay plates and chain plates . . . on the port side anyway.  I revisited blackening them, using advice here and on the internet.  My test brass strips looked OK, but I couldn't avoid bare brass spots being rubbed off after lightly wiping them down with a dry cloth.  I'm pretty sure I didn't clean the brass well enough beforehand.  After being left frustrated by that, I just went ahead and followed what Chuck had done on his, and painted them black and used a rust brown weathering powder to give them that iron look.  I'm happy with the results.  A trick I learned years ago as a model railroader with brass, is to bake the brass after painting.  Just put the parts under a hot halogen or incandescence light bulb, about an inch away from the bulb, for about five minutes.  This hardens the paint on the metal surface and makes it much more scuff resistant.  The nails themselves I ordered from ModelExpo (being my first ship build I didn't have any extras from prior builds to use).  They are the smallest ones they offer.  They're slightly rounded on the bottom of the heads, so don't appear the sit flush when pushed in.  So I used a larger diameter drill bit than the holes in the brass were drilled with, and counter sunk all the holes in the backstay and chain plates.  I also ran a sharp angled file on the underside of the heads of each nail.  This helped get the nails to snug down flat when pushed in.  After getting the parts mounted and nailed in place, I went ahead and touched up the paint and weathering powder.
     
    Of all the processes involved on this build, metal working is probably the one I have the least experience in.  The backstay plates and chain plates have taken a lot longer than I thought they would.  That said, I've learned a lot, even with the error part of Trial and Error being frustrating at times!
     
    Erik



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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Rustyj - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 Scale - POF Sloop   
    Yup! That's the way to do it. Very nice result, Rusty!
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Rustyj in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Rustyj - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 Scale - POF Sloop   
    It was mentioned earlier that it's best to sand pieces prior to removing the from the billets. The way I do it is with a sanding block. I use 180 the 320 grit sandpaper. It's self-adhesive. It is also handy for finish sanding completed pieces like the stem. I usually use Minwax wipe on poly. My local store was out but they did have Watco satin wipe on poly. I've used other Watco products and liked them so I gave it a try. It's a little thicker than the Minwax but covers nice and looks the same.
     


     
    Next I'll start working on the keel. Oh this is fun!
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    So nice, Chuck. Everything seems to be fitting together as planned. However, I know that there where several iterations in design to get there.
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    Just a quick update.  It might not look like a lot of work was done since my last post but you would be surprised how involved the deck beams can be.
     
    With the cabins on the fore lower platform completed,  you can start adding deck beams above them.  No reason to wait until everything is built below deck to do so.  In fact, waiting to do it all at one time wont be very enjoyable.  Doing it this way breaks up the task a bit.
     
    This kit will be very simplified compared to the books.  Because we will be planking the gun deck in the "classic" contemporary model style,  there is absolutely no need to make and add the hanging and lodging knees.   In fact, this would up the difficulty factor by about ten.   So we will just be adding the deck beams with all of the carlings and ledges.  You can however follow the Seawatch books and scratch build the knees should you really want the total experience.
     
     
    The photo below has a lot going on that was completed.
     

    First, The first four deck beams were glued into position...
     
    Then the carlings were added between them as shown on the plans.  The carling are cut to length using 3/16 x 5/32 strips.   
     
    Lastly you may notice that the after most beams have a column under them at the center.   These are just 1/8" x 1/8" strips cut to length.  The corners are chamfered as shown on the plans.
     
    With the first four beams added you can now add the ledges.   These are the thinner "partial beams" that extend from the carlings to the deck clamp.  They are laser cut for you with a special "leg" on the outboard ends.   This raises each ledge to the perfect height so it will be flush with the top of the gun deck beams.  So when you are cleaning the char off these...DONT sand the bottom or even the end with this "leg" on it.  Otherwise you wont have level ledges with your beams.    Hope that makes sense.
     
    Now in that same photo above you can see the first few ledges (cleaned of laser char...no need to clean the bottom at all actually) resting in position.  All you have to do is cut the end that sits against the carling and glue it on position.
     
    NOTE:  Now yes indeed...all of the carlings should be notched in the deck beams.   All of the ledges should be notched into the carlings.  But you know what...I am not going to do that.  And you dont have to either.  It simplifies things so much this way and those many mortices and notches are not so easy to make.  They will also mostly be completely covered up.   So you can decide.
     
     
    Now this may all seem simple enough.  But finding the exact locations for these beams, carlings and ledges is super important.  Time and care must be taken to get their location correct....otherwise you will end up with hatches in the wrong  position and mast holes too!!  It could get ugly.
     
    So use the plans.   If you have a second set printed.  Go ahead and cut them up.  You can see strategically placed cut outs on the template that allowed me to mark the locations of the carlings on the beams....and the ledges on the carlings.   This template also helped me position the deck beams properly which is the very first thing you need to do.  Finding you center line on those deck beams after they installed is also a huge help.  Gluing the parts in is easy enough...but the marking, measuring and planning takes time and patience.

     
    Then its just a matter of cutting all of those ledges to length and gluing them in position.   There are a lot of them.  I believe 86 in total.   Note that these would also be down the center between the carlings and hatches also.  But once again they will be entirely covered up and its just a repetitive exercise that nobody will ever see.
     

    To show you how the knees and other details like the ledges wont be seen...here is a look at this area with the deck planking cut and placed on the model as a test.  This shows what will be very close to the final appearance using the "classic contemporary model appearance".   But everyone can always deviate from that should they want to.
     

     
     
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from mtaylor in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    So nice, Chuck. Everything seems to be fitting together as planned. However, I know that there where several iterations in design to get there.
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from CiscoH in The Hayling Hoy by jpalmer1970 - 1:48 scale - First POF build   
    Chuck and I like to use a number 2B pencil on one edge of the joined surfaces. It leaves a strong glue joint and a clean line once sanded out.
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by sfotinos - Syren Ship Model Company - 1:32 Scale - POF Sloop   
    You are good to go...that one element (keel assembly) on the plans printed at the incorrect scale.  The laser parts are all correct so just keep going.   The plans have been corrected.  The guy at my printer must have grabbed the edge of that object in error and shrunk it horizontally (in Corel Draw).  At least that is what he said happened.  If you lay those pieces on the framing plan instead you will see they fit just fine.
     
    Chuck
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    Stuntflyer reacted to Chuck in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    Thank you…i will continue making more.  I have no plans to limit production.  In fact I just listed two more sets of the first two chapters.  More will follow as time and wood supply permits.
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from druxey in The Hayling Hoy by jpalmer1970 - 1:48 scale - First POF build   
    Chuck and I like to use a number 2B pencil on one edge of the joined surfaces. It leaves a strong glue joint and a clean line once sanded out.
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from Erik W in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    So nice, Chuck. Everything seems to be fitting together as planned. However, I know that there where several iterations in design to get there.
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    Stuntflyer got a reaction from Jack12477 in Sloop Speedwell 1752 by Chuck - Ketch Rigged Sloop - POF - prototype build   
    So nice, Chuck. Everything seems to be fitting together as planned. However, I know that there where several iterations in design to get there.
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