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One of the issues with quarter rudders is the tendency of the rudder to slide laterally away from the hull. To counter this , some sort of restraint is required either using wood guides or buttresses or with extra tackle. The following photos show one method (Yenikapi 12 build) the last picture in the background shows the way the nordics controlled the lateral movement with a withy tether. Cheers Dick
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Now for a less savoury part of the ship. "Those vulgar tubes", the seats of ease, at least for the ships officers in the quarter galleries. All the rest of the hoi polloi had to use the heads in the bow. Not much room in the quarter gallery and not much light, either. A bit stygian. The false windows and gingerbread work goes on top of this. I dont know if there was any flushing arrangement on this smaller ships as there was on larger and later ships. Maybe a servant with a bucket and a brush?🤢 Cheers Dick
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Welcome, Dave. An excellent depiction of a latin caravel with authentic detail. Which plans did you use? Could you do a build log step by step for us? Cheers Dick
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Sliding anchors go way back. This one (Which I copied for Yenikapi 12) was found on the Yassi Ada wreck from the seventh century. But Permanent stock would be fine too. Dick
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Yes I think it would be reasonable to show a sliding metal stock such as this. Please note that the round ship would have anchors at each quarter of the ship and probably a number of spare anchors stored maybe on deck. Dick
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Again I would disagree. This discussion, for that is what it should have been, bears directly on Steven's build and on the whole subject of mediterranean round ships. There is no doubt that there was a diversity of rigs extant in the Mediterranean during the period of the thirteenth through fifteenth century. This ranges from simple lagoonal and riverine vessels with latin rigs and quarter rudders right through to cog-like vessels and the later evolution of the nave quadra with the northern innovation of square rig and stern rudder. To anyone wishing to read an authoritative momnograph on this subject I would refer to the excellent publication: The art and archaeology of venetian ships and boats by Lillian Ray Martin , Chatham Publishing 2001 . ISBN 1-86176-173-2. This was a major resource for my previous round ship reconstruction. I have gone back through the entire log of Steven's build and have extracted all the images which incontrovertibly show a quadrangular sail and looked carefully at all other supplied images for evidence of either square rig or settee rig ( a variant of latin sail in which the forward part of the triangular sail is truncated. This is seen well in dhows). Here are the images of square rig: this is the only image from the Veneziano school (first half 14th C) which shows square rig on a round ship. So it shows that square rig was around and used on some round ships. Most other images in this period show latin rig. This may be square rig or furled latin or settee but it certainly shows a rope ladder. Dont know where this image comes from. This is a northern vessel with stern rudder. Note the reefing points (not seen on latin rig) and the foot of the sail tied into a bundle by the reefing points (See my hulc log for details). This is not a round ship and is probably northern european, Again the sail is quadrangular and probably a settee sail running before the wind. Note the "crows nest aft of the mast and the Jacob's ladder. This is a cog. Nothing to do with round ships. Probably settee also running before the wind To show that latin rig when used on different points of sailing can simulate square rig, here is a section of the 14thC Cocharelli Codex which speaks for itself. So, there is no doubt that settee rig and maybe even square rig was used alongside latin rig in the Mediterranean Middle Ages. But the overwhelming number of rigs were latin. To quote the great Fred Dagg : 'I'll get out of your way now'" Woodrat
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