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    Don got a reaction from Canute in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    Not a problem just PM (private message available through the forum)
     
    May I make a couple of suggestions which I think will help you out a lot.
     
    First start a log of your build even though you are just starting the CAD work, you will find that a lot of members will follow even if they don't comment on everything you post.  Pictures are a great help when trying to help someone so post away.  Many will comment if they have some input, which is a great help.  You will find that this forum has some of the finest model ship builders in the world and there is a wealth of knowledge available.     I know I shouldn't talk, I have not keep up my log, but I do plan on being more active now that I retired.  It may take me a bit to get everything I am doing updated, I just retired at the end of 2023 and retirement is definitely a change.   
     
    Also it would help if you added your location to your profile.  This will help when suggestions are made about materials, tools etc.  Even within the states not everything is available everywhere.  As an example, I live in an area where hardwood is readily available but Alaskan Cedar is not I have to source that which is more expensive and not just a run down the road. 
     
    Even though this model is gigantic in size the scale is still relatively small compared to some scales being used here, 1:64 and 1:48 are very common, which are larger than what you are working in.  All the stuff that gets added is what makes your project come alive.  With a model size of over 14'  every area will need to be as detailed as possible.  It will be hard to take the whole model in at once so people will view areas, so each area essentially becomes a model.  This is where a log will help you out, the members here can offer many tips, tricks etc. What one person didn't think of someone else will.  Many brains work better than one in this case.
     
    As I am sure you probably already figured out is that you cannot have enough source material and this will be an ongoing process.  I found detailed pictures are of great value, you cannot have enough of them.  I am lucky the sister ship the USS Salem CA 139 is a museum ship located in Boston. So for me the net is loaded with video and images that are of great value to me. 
     
    Do a few mockups to see if it will work for you.  Doesn't have to be precise or a lot, just a few bulkheads for example will give you a feel if the materials you plan on using will work for you.  Remember what worked for me may not work for you.  Everybody has different tools at their disposal.  
     
    It will come together, have to start somewhere, solve each problem as they come up.  That's what makes it fun.
     
    Don
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Don got a reaction from mtaylor in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    Not a problem just PM (private message available through the forum)
     
    May I make a couple of suggestions which I think will help you out a lot.
     
    First start a log of your build even though you are just starting the CAD work, you will find that a lot of members will follow even if they don't comment on everything you post.  Pictures are a great help when trying to help someone so post away.  Many will comment if they have some input, which is a great help.  You will find that this forum has some of the finest model ship builders in the world and there is a wealth of knowledge available.     I know I shouldn't talk, I have not keep up my log, but I do plan on being more active now that I retired.  It may take me a bit to get everything I am doing updated, I just retired at the end of 2023 and retirement is definitely a change.   
     
    Also it would help if you added your location to your profile.  This will help when suggestions are made about materials, tools etc.  Even within the states not everything is available everywhere.  As an example, I live in an area where hardwood is readily available but Alaskan Cedar is not I have to source that which is more expensive and not just a run down the road. 
     
    Even though this model is gigantic in size the scale is still relatively small compared to some scales being used here, 1:64 and 1:48 are very common, which are larger than what you are working in.  All the stuff that gets added is what makes your project come alive.  With a model size of over 14'  every area will need to be as detailed as possible.  It will be hard to take the whole model in at once so people will view areas, so each area essentially becomes a model.  This is where a log will help you out, the members here can offer many tips, tricks etc. What one person didn't think of someone else will.  Many brains work better than one in this case.
     
    As I am sure you probably already figured out is that you cannot have enough source material and this will be an ongoing process.  I found detailed pictures are of great value, you cannot have enough of them.  I am lucky the sister ship the USS Salem CA 139 is a museum ship located in Boston. So for me the net is loaded with video and images that are of great value to me. 
     
    Do a few mockups to see if it will work for you.  Doesn't have to be precise or a lot, just a few bulkheads for example will give you a feel if the materials you plan on using will work for you.  Remember what worked for me may not work for you.  Everybody has different tools at their disposal.  
     
    It will come together, have to start somewhere, solve each problem as they come up.  That's what makes it fun.
     
    Don
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Don got a reaction from GZM2023 in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    Not a problem just PM (private message available through the forum)
     
    May I make a couple of suggestions which I think will help you out a lot.
     
    First start a log of your build even though you are just starting the CAD work, you will find that a lot of members will follow even if they don't comment on everything you post.  Pictures are a great help when trying to help someone so post away.  Many will comment if they have some input, which is a great help.  You will find that this forum has some of the finest model ship builders in the world and there is a wealth of knowledge available.     I know I shouldn't talk, I have not keep up my log, but I do plan on being more active now that I retired.  It may take me a bit to get everything I am doing updated, I just retired at the end of 2023 and retirement is definitely a change.   
     
    Also it would help if you added your location to your profile.  This will help when suggestions are made about materials, tools etc.  Even within the states not everything is available everywhere.  As an example, I live in an area where hardwood is readily available but Alaskan Cedar is not I have to source that which is more expensive and not just a run down the road. 
     
    Even though this model is gigantic in size the scale is still relatively small compared to some scales being used here, 1:64 and 1:48 are very common, which are larger than what you are working in.  All the stuff that gets added is what makes your project come alive.  With a model size of over 14'  every area will need to be as detailed as possible.  It will be hard to take the whole model in at once so people will view areas, so each area essentially becomes a model.  This is where a log will help you out, the members here can offer many tips, tricks etc. What one person didn't think of someone else will.  Many brains work better than one in this case.
     
    As I am sure you probably already figured out is that you cannot have enough source material and this will be an ongoing process.  I found detailed pictures are of great value, you cannot have enough of them.  I am lucky the sister ship the USS Salem CA 139 is a museum ship located in Boston. So for me the net is loaded with video and images that are of great value to me. 
     
    Do a few mockups to see if it will work for you.  Doesn't have to be precise or a lot, just a few bulkheads for example will give you a feel if the materials you plan on using will work for you.  Remember what worked for me may not work for you.  Everybody has different tools at their disposal.  
     
    It will come together, have to start somewhere, solve each problem as they come up.  That's what makes it fun.
     
    Don
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Don got a reaction from rcweir in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    Not a problem just PM (private message available through the forum)
     
    May I make a couple of suggestions which I think will help you out a lot.
     
    First start a log of your build even though you are just starting the CAD work, you will find that a lot of members will follow even if they don't comment on everything you post.  Pictures are a great help when trying to help someone so post away.  Many will comment if they have some input, which is a great help.  You will find that this forum has some of the finest model ship builders in the world and there is a wealth of knowledge available.     I know I shouldn't talk, I have not keep up my log, but I do plan on being more active now that I retired.  It may take me a bit to get everything I am doing updated, I just retired at the end of 2023 and retirement is definitely a change.   
     
    Also it would help if you added your location to your profile.  This will help when suggestions are made about materials, tools etc.  Even within the states not everything is available everywhere.  As an example, I live in an area where hardwood is readily available but Alaskan Cedar is not I have to source that which is more expensive and not just a run down the road. 
     
    Even though this model is gigantic in size the scale is still relatively small compared to some scales being used here, 1:64 and 1:48 are very common, which are larger than what you are working in.  All the stuff that gets added is what makes your project come alive.  With a model size of over 14'  every area will need to be as detailed as possible.  It will be hard to take the whole model in at once so people will view areas, so each area essentially becomes a model.  This is where a log will help you out, the members here can offer many tips, tricks etc. What one person didn't think of someone else will.  Many brains work better than one in this case.
     
    As I am sure you probably already figured out is that you cannot have enough source material and this will be an ongoing process.  I found detailed pictures are of great value, you cannot have enough of them.  I am lucky the sister ship the USS Salem CA 139 is a museum ship located in Boston. So for me the net is loaded with video and images that are of great value to me. 
     
    Do a few mockups to see if it will work for you.  Doesn't have to be precise or a lot, just a few bulkheads for example will give you a feel if the materials you plan on using will work for you.  Remember what worked for me may not work for you.  Everybody has different tools at their disposal.  
     
    It will come together, have to start somewhere, solve each problem as they come up.  That's what makes it fun.
     
    Don
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Don got a reaction from Canute in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    Its been awhile ago since I made the frame work, but I think it was baltic birch plywood 3/8" probably maybe 1/2".  Not sure where you are located but in my area I could only get 5'x5' sheets so I had to splice the length together.  I basically used plywood gusset plates to join the sections together.  Baltic birch plywood is fairly straight doesn't have voids and has more plies than standard plywood, it is used in cabinet work.  The down side is, it is very hard to sand and shape but stable.  The bulkheads I think I used 1/4" reason less sanding and weight.  I do some cabinet work from time to time and good plywood is getting harder to find it is also much more expensive than when I got mine.  Look for a place that caters to cabinet makers.
     
    With the length that you are building about 14'  deflection will be an issue no matter what you use, like I said good plywood is hard to get.  You will have to brace it in some sort of building board or jig.  The good thing is that you can screw it almost anywhere everything will get covered.  Just remember as you start to plank it and get the hull covered don't cover up where you screwed it down.  You have to get the thing loose from the building board and or jigs you are using to hold it straight. 
     
    The cruiser I am building has sheer to the deck which you aircraft carrier does not so that will be easier to get a nice level surface.  Spend a lot of time at the beginning to get everything straight, level and symmetrical etc. it will save you a ton of time latter.  
     
    The cruiser hull is sleek and solid, as you know an aircraft carrier hull towards the deck is anything but sleek.  You will have to work out how much you want to leave open, work in all the access decks, weapon areas etc. as you get closer to the deck.  I started mine upside down and planked toward the deck fairly straight forward.  With an aircraft carrier and flight deck along with hull openings everywhere you will have to be more more creative. 
     
    Don 
     
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    Don got a reaction from mtaylor in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    Its been awhile ago since I made the frame work, but I think it was baltic birch plywood 3/8" probably maybe 1/2".  Not sure where you are located but in my area I could only get 5'x5' sheets so I had to splice the length together.  I basically used plywood gusset plates to join the sections together.  Baltic birch plywood is fairly straight doesn't have voids and has more plies than standard plywood, it is used in cabinet work.  The down side is, it is very hard to sand and shape but stable.  The bulkheads I think I used 1/4" reason less sanding and weight.  I do some cabinet work from time to time and good plywood is getting harder to find it is also much more expensive than when I got mine.  Look for a place that caters to cabinet makers.
     
    With the length that you are building about 14'  deflection will be an issue no matter what you use, like I said good plywood is hard to get.  You will have to brace it in some sort of building board or jig.  The good thing is that you can screw it almost anywhere everything will get covered.  Just remember as you start to plank it and get the hull covered don't cover up where you screwed it down.  You have to get the thing loose from the building board and or jigs you are using to hold it straight. 
     
    The cruiser I am building has sheer to the deck which you aircraft carrier does not so that will be easier to get a nice level surface.  Spend a lot of time at the beginning to get everything straight, level and symmetrical etc. it will save you a ton of time latter.  
     
    The cruiser hull is sleek and solid, as you know an aircraft carrier hull towards the deck is anything but sleek.  You will have to work out how much you want to leave open, work in all the access decks, weapon areas etc. as you get closer to the deck.  I started mine upside down and planked toward the deck fairly straight forward.  With an aircraft carrier and flight deck along with hull openings everywhere you will have to be more more creative. 
     
    Don 
     
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    Don got a reaction from Canute in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    You are on the right track, I see what you are getting at.  I really don't think you need all those stringers or any at all for that matter, but that is a matter of choice on how you want to build it.  I think it would work out ok.  On an aircraft carrier their shape is not the same as most naval ships, so I think it will be a little harder, but doable.
     
    I am building a model of a heavy cruiser USS Des Moines CA 134 I have a log started, but have not added to it in a long time.  Was building this for my dad, he served on the ship for a couple of years in 1958-59.  He passed away suddenly and have not worked on it since, but I am going to get it out of mothballs sometime soon, my kids want me to finish it.  I have since retired and have more time now (I hope).
     
    Anyway, the scale is not the same but close 1:96.  It is large almost 8 feet and it is father along than the log.  It is planked, filled in and sanded now I am adding simulated plating and armor belts etc. I built it like most POB, center keel or former, bulkheads and planked.
     
    I can tell you this much with a ship of that size there will be a lot of construction material to get it all framed out, it will start getting heavy quickly.  The more frames you add the easier it will be to fair up and to get it planked.  No matter how much CAD work you start with some frames will not be right so be prepared to do some sanding or adding material, or just making a new one.  I started mine out with drawings in CAD and added bulkheads so the planking didn't have to span real large distance.  I really should have added more but it was getting heavy enough as is.  The bulkheads, center and deck are plywood, the planking is some poplar and beech I had laying around.  If I had to do it over I would have used some thin plywood (like 1/8") for planking just to control the expansion contraction issues with natural wood.  I also used a pneumatic pin nailer and lots of glue to attach the planks lots of them.  Much faster and easier than glue and clamps.  Just make sure the countersink far enough for sanding.  
     
    Make sure it is centered down the middle, that's why I stated with the center former.  I used a laser level etc. and screw it right to a building board and worked out from there.  Be prepared to do lots of sanding and filling and don't rush that job.  you want your hull to be the shape it supposed to be both sides, you will notice waves and dips as you move along.  That's were all the sanding and filling comes into play and you swear you will never finish.  There will be a time where you say good enough.  
     
    You can check out my log.  It is in my signature.
     
    Don 
     
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    Don got a reaction from mtaylor in CV-59 USS Forrestal Carrier   
    You are on the right track, I see what you are getting at.  I really don't think you need all those stringers or any at all for that matter, but that is a matter of choice on how you want to build it.  I think it would work out ok.  On an aircraft carrier their shape is not the same as most naval ships, so I think it will be a little harder, but doable.
     
    I am building a model of a heavy cruiser USS Des Moines CA 134 I have a log started, but have not added to it in a long time.  Was building this for my dad, he served on the ship for a couple of years in 1958-59.  He passed away suddenly and have not worked on it since, but I am going to get it out of mothballs sometime soon, my kids want me to finish it.  I have since retired and have more time now (I hope).
     
    Anyway, the scale is not the same but close 1:96.  It is large almost 8 feet and it is father along than the log.  It is planked, filled in and sanded now I am adding simulated plating and armor belts etc. I built it like most POB, center keel or former, bulkheads and planked.
     
    I can tell you this much with a ship of that size there will be a lot of construction material to get it all framed out, it will start getting heavy quickly.  The more frames you add the easier it will be to fair up and to get it planked.  No matter how much CAD work you start with some frames will not be right so be prepared to do some sanding or adding material, or just making a new one.  I started mine out with drawings in CAD and added bulkheads so the planking didn't have to span real large distance.  I really should have added more but it was getting heavy enough as is.  The bulkheads, center and deck are plywood, the planking is some poplar and beech I had laying around.  If I had to do it over I would have used some thin plywood (like 1/8") for planking just to control the expansion contraction issues with natural wood.  I also used a pneumatic pin nailer and lots of glue to attach the planks lots of them.  Much faster and easier than glue and clamps.  Just make sure the countersink far enough for sanding.  
     
    Make sure it is centered down the middle, that's why I stated with the center former.  I used a laser level etc. and screw it right to a building board and worked out from there.  Be prepared to do lots of sanding and filling and don't rush that job.  you want your hull to be the shape it supposed to be both sides, you will notice waves and dips as you move along.  That's were all the sanding and filling comes into play and you swear you will never finish.  There will be a time where you say good enough.  
     
    You can check out my log.  It is in my signature.
     
    Don 
     
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    Don got a reaction from Canute in Preac thickness sander   
    Take some accurate measurements as has been mentioned and take a look at McMaster-Carr website.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from mtaylor in Preac thickness sander   
    Take some accurate measurements as has been mentioned and take a look at McMaster-Carr website.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from bruce d in Preac thickness sander   
    Take some accurate measurements as has been mentioned and take a look at McMaster-Carr website.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from lraymo in Lowell Grand Banks Dory by lraymo - FINISHED - Model Shipways - 1:24   
    For wood to wood any yellow glue will work, Titebond or Elmers I found work equally well for model work.  Woodworking is were the different types are used for various applications.  Elmers white glue will hold but is harder to get the initial tack or grab, clamping is more important.  Yellow glue has good initial grab and a lot of times you can get away without any clamping. 
     
    I don't use much CA for wood to wood bonding but I do use them together sometimes.  A small amount of CA with yellow or white glue for the rest of the joint.  The small dot of CA acts as a clamp while the other glue sets up.  The bond strength does not come frm the CA.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Lowell Grand Banks Dory by lraymo - FINISHED - Model Shipways - 1:24   
    For wood to wood any yellow glue will work, Titebond or Elmers I found work equally well for model work.  Woodworking is were the different types are used for various applications.  Elmers white glue will hold but is harder to get the initial tack or grab, clamping is more important.  Yellow glue has good initial grab and a lot of times you can get away without any clamping. 
     
    I don't use much CA for wood to wood bonding but I do use them together sometimes.  A small amount of CA with yellow or white glue for the rest of the joint.  The small dot of CA acts as a clamp while the other glue sets up.  The bond strength does not come frm the CA.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from Cathead in Lowell Grand Banks Dory by lraymo - FINISHED - Model Shipways - 1:24   
    For wood to wood any yellow glue will work, Titebond or Elmers I found work equally well for model work.  Woodworking is were the different types are used for various applications.  Elmers white glue will hold but is harder to get the initial tack or grab, clamping is more important.  Yellow glue has good initial grab and a lot of times you can get away without any clamping. 
     
    I don't use much CA for wood to wood bonding but I do use them together sometimes.  A small amount of CA with yellow or white glue for the rest of the joint.  The small dot of CA acts as a clamp while the other glue sets up.  The bond strength does not come frm the CA.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from Keith Black in Lowell Grand Banks Dory by lraymo - FINISHED - Model Shipways - 1:24   
    For wood to wood any yellow glue will work, Titebond or Elmers I found work equally well for model work.  Woodworking is were the different types are used for various applications.  Elmers white glue will hold but is harder to get the initial tack or grab, clamping is more important.  Yellow glue has good initial grab and a lot of times you can get away without any clamping. 
     
    I don't use much CA for wood to wood bonding but I do use them together sometimes.  A small amount of CA with yellow or white glue for the rest of the joint.  The small dot of CA acts as a clamp while the other glue sets up.  The bond strength does not come frm the CA.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from Bob Cleek in Making and using a draw plate   
    I would take a look at the Byrne's draw plate, it's a good price for the quality of the product.  Put it this way, my son has his own machine shop with full CNC machine capabilities and I still bought one from Jim.  It was just not worth it to make my own.  The reason for this I would only make only one and I am sure he makes them in batches which is far more economical.  Also his is nicely hardened and should stay sharp for a long time
     
    There lots of stuff that may be cheaper and easier to make yourself than try to find commercially, this I just don't think is one of them.
    Don F
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    Don got a reaction from mtaylor in Making and using a draw plate   
    I would take a look at the Byrne's draw plate, it's a good price for the quality of the product.  Put it this way, my son has his own machine shop with full CNC machine capabilities and I still bought one from Jim.  It was just not worth it to make my own.  The reason for this I would only make only one and I am sure he makes them in batches which is far more economical.  Also his is nicely hardened and should stay sharp for a long time
     
    There lots of stuff that may be cheaper and easier to make yourself than try to find commercially, this I just don't think is one of them.
    Don F
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    Don got a reaction from Canute in Making and using a draw plate   
    I would take a look at the Byrne's draw plate, it's a good price for the quality of the product.  Put it this way, my son has his own machine shop with full CNC machine capabilities and I still bought one from Jim.  It was just not worth it to make my own.  The reason for this I would only make only one and I am sure he makes them in batches which is far more economical.  Also his is nicely hardened and should stay sharp for a long time
     
    There lots of stuff that may be cheaper and easier to make yourself than try to find commercially, this I just don't think is one of them.
    Don F
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    Don got a reaction from toms10 in Making and using a draw plate   
    I would take a look at the Byrne's draw plate, it's a good price for the quality of the product.  Put it this way, my son has his own machine shop with full CNC machine capabilities and I still bought one from Jim.  It was just not worth it to make my own.  The reason for this I would only make only one and I am sure he makes them in batches which is far more economical.  Also his is nicely hardened and should stay sharp for a long time
     
    There lots of stuff that may be cheaper and easier to make yourself than try to find commercially, this I just don't think is one of them.
    Don F
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    Don got a reaction from thibaultron in Seawatch Books   
    I ordered the last 3 books that I wanted from Seawatch about 2 weeks ago.  Received all 3 in about 10 days could not believe I received them that quickly.  Wasn't really expecting them until sometime in February.  I guess I was lucky, had stuff bounce around the postal system for a month.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from Ryland Craze in Seawatch Books   
    I ordered the last 3 books that I wanted from Seawatch about 2 weeks ago.  Received all 3 in about 10 days could not believe I received them that quickly.  Wasn't really expecting them until sometime in February.  I guess I was lucky, had stuff bounce around the postal system for a month.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from Canute in Seawatch Books   
    I ordered the last 3 books that I wanted from Seawatch about 2 weeks ago.  Received all 3 in about 10 days could not believe I received them that quickly.  Wasn't really expecting them until sometime in February.  I guess I was lucky, had stuff bounce around the postal system for a month.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from JpR62 in Seawatch Books   
    I ordered the last 3 books that I wanted from Seawatch about 2 weeks ago.  Received all 3 in about 10 days could not believe I received them that quickly.  Wasn't really expecting them until sometime in February.  I guess I was lucky, had stuff bounce around the postal system for a month.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from druxey in Seawatch Books   
    I ordered the last 3 books that I wanted from Seawatch about 2 weeks ago.  Received all 3 in about 10 days could not believe I received them that quickly.  Wasn't really expecting them until sometime in February.  I guess I was lucky, had stuff bounce around the postal system for a month.
     
    Don
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    Don got a reaction from mtaylor in Seawatch Books   
    I ordered the last 3 books that I wanted from Seawatch about 2 weeks ago.  Received all 3 in about 10 days could not believe I received them that quickly.  Wasn't really expecting them until sometime in February.  I guess I was lucky, had stuff bounce around the postal system for a month.
     
    Don
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