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Beef Wellington got a reaction from chris watton in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
@Mike - thanks for the kind words!
@Martin - I guess I'm located in the valley just over the hills from the Litchfield Hills of Connecticut 🙂
Rope Coils...
Before any more rigging can be completed, rope coils really need to be attended to. Once the remaining braces, cluelines and sheets go on, access will be impossibly restricted. I'm not a fan of gravity defying suspended circular coils which don't quite look right to my eye. I really wasn't quite sure of the approach to take, but I knew I wanted to try to replicate the shear mass of heaps of rope often shown on period photos and try to give the rope some mass, but knew that doing so would be very difficult using the kit rope.
After many attempts, a mock up of the pin rail was made up and the rope stretched around a belaying pin and some wire. Dilute PVA was then applied to ensure it kept its shape, and some extra rope wrapped around to keep the shape. Once trimmed and the glue has dried, these can be hung over the desired location. These still require some fettling and wanted to see how I feel about them in a few days with a number on position before securing or trying an alternative approach. I'd welcome thoughts and suggestions...
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from p.hoek in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
@Mike - thanks for the kind words!
@Martin - I guess I'm located in the valley just over the hills from the Litchfield Hills of Connecticut 🙂
Rope Coils...
Before any more rigging can be completed, rope coils really need to be attended to. Once the remaining braces, cluelines and sheets go on, access will be impossibly restricted. I'm not a fan of gravity defying suspended circular coils which don't quite look right to my eye. I really wasn't quite sure of the approach to take, but I knew I wanted to try to replicate the shear mass of heaps of rope often shown on period photos and try to give the rope some mass, but knew that doing so would be very difficult using the kit rope.
After many attempts, a mock up of the pin rail was made up and the rope stretched around a belaying pin and some wire. Dilute PVA was then applied to ensure it kept its shape, and some extra rope wrapped around to keep the shape. Once trimmed and the glue has dried, these can be hung over the desired location. These still require some fettling and wanted to see how I feel about them in a few days with a number on position before securing or trying an alternative approach. I'd welcome thoughts and suggestions...
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from md1400cs in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
@Mike - thanks for the kind words!
@Martin - I guess I'm located in the valley just over the hills from the Litchfield Hills of Connecticut 🙂
Rope Coils...
Before any more rigging can be completed, rope coils really need to be attended to. Once the remaining braces, cluelines and sheets go on, access will be impossibly restricted. I'm not a fan of gravity defying suspended circular coils which don't quite look right to my eye. I really wasn't quite sure of the approach to take, but I knew I wanted to try to replicate the shear mass of heaps of rope often shown on period photos and try to give the rope some mass, but knew that doing so would be very difficult using the kit rope.
After many attempts, a mock up of the pin rail was made up and the rope stretched around a belaying pin and some wire. Dilute PVA was then applied to ensure it kept its shape, and some extra rope wrapped around to keep the shape. Once trimmed and the glue has dried, these can be hung over the desired location. These still require some fettling and wanted to see how I feel about them in a few days with a number on position before securing or trying an alternative approach. I'd welcome thoughts and suggestions...
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Ron Burns in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Once work on the mounting hardware was done, moved onto the coppering (of course) and other finishings aspects. I did not bother to copper the sternpost or the front side of the rudder as these cannot really be seen, and simply painted these copper. Coppering the rudder was definitely a challenge due to the rudder mounting recesses.
Overall pretty happy, and just the mounting straps to go before being able to move back to the deck with conviction.
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Ron Burns in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Finally...pretty much completed the coppering on the hull. Only have the leading edge of the bow to go and I want to think about how to approach that, no urgency and should be relatively easy to do. I followed the coppering pattern as shown in the HMS Pandora AOTS book as there seems to be so little information around on how this was done. Result came out pretty close.
Only other coppering to be done is the rudder, but this should be straight forward now, but I need to deal with the gudgeons and pintles first. I'm also running worryingly low on copper plates, my numerous "re-dos" have caught up with me but still glad I did. I've ordered some more just in case to avoid any work stoppage.
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from tomas1970 in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Here is the method I used to get what I feel to be a consistent top camber on the gratings, despite extensive searching I just couldn't find anything on this site to help. In the end, I took the following approach:
1) Built a small frame and place a thin sheet of bass wood into the frame at what I thought would be an appropriate curvature, I simply glued a thin line along the center to secure it (I know this is really forms a parabola, but it is certainly close enough to circular in the center to pass muster)
2) After putting a fine grain sandpaper on the curve, I then used a couple of spare strips of lime wood to act as 'guides'. Its then just a simple matter of moving the grating back and forth carefully until the curve has taken. The guides ensure that the camber remains centered for consistent result.
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Beef Wellington reacted to Sjors in HM Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64
Hello all.
Thanks for the thumps up 😃
I have make the stays..... and finished the shrouds and ratlines.
Because it is little and because of my big hands, it was a task but I managed it!
I can talk what I want but it is better to show the pictures.
Sjors
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from WalrusGuy in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Promised no more updates until I was done with carronade rigging, still not done so this is a 'notation to self for the future' rather than an 'update'. One lesson I'm learning is that I'm going through a lot of rigging line, and each spool seems different to the last. The stuff supplied in the box was very nice to work with, new line bought separately, though allegedly the same is much springier and surface seems much rougher and prone to snagging so harder to work with. Not sure why there is a difference, whether I was lucky with the kit supplied stuff, or unlucky with the replacement line.
These are far from consistent with the outcome, so I'm moving around the deck randomly to mix earlier and later efforts so I don't have a gradual transition from 'bad' to 'better' along one side.
Apologies for the photos not quite being in focus, I didn't notice when I took them...
Step 1: Simply rigged using the blocks prepared earlier....
Step 2: Rig as taught as possible and thread through the eyes of the hooks, aft first and then the bulwark hook...
Step 3: Thread line around the line near where it is tied to the single block, care needs to be taken not to foul with any of the other lines. Simple overhand knot and piece of wire to help position the knot and keep everything taught seems to work best. Purpose of this is just to secure the line to allow the frapping to be positioned
Step 4: Wrap around the tackle 4 times and secure the end through the last loop. Once complete, soak in dilute PVA to ensure everything stays positioned
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Martin W in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Thanks BE - thanks for checking in, your builds really got me fascinated with the minutia of rigging, this was a continued learning exercise...and something that you really have to do to confirm your understanding makes sense. Working with the kit supplied line is a frustration in many respects, but perhaps an apprenticeship test.
Matthew - to your question...I can probably only provide an opinion. Access the deck is pretty good at that stage and a don't think you'd have too many problems. The bulwarks are pretty vertical so see no obvious reason why you couldn't plank the deck off the ship, but not having done it I couldn't say definitively. You've piqued my interest though and you should also check out the other Snake builds in progress. If you do move forward with Snake, definitely start a build log and you'll have lots of interest, including me.
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from ccoyle in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Cheers everyone, grateful for the continued interest to keep some wind in the sails...
@Kevin - I think you and I have similar workstyles, the difference though is that you get a lot more done!
Rigging Update...
As previously mentioned, rigging just does not lend itself to updates as there always seems to be just one more job to complete before an update would be appropriate. Pretty much all rigging in the main and mizzen mast areas is complete. This definitely required some planning ahead to ensure room to work. The main topgallant braces were the last added as the place seriously limits access in an already tight space. Also redid a few completed rigging items in the bowsprit that have been bothering me, but before starting rigging in earnest, I felt the old girl needed a fairlead saddle. After trying, unsuccessfully to make something out of wood, I found that gluing a couple of styrene strips together and then bending around a dowel while steaming kept the styrene with the right curve. The profile could then be better approximated and the hole drilled...far from perfect but looks OK to the unaided eye (the paint was used at this point only to get some contrast on the surface). One item that continues to annoy me is the application of a single 'bee' as per the plans. I can find no other example of this and it just doesn't seem correct, and means that a fore topmast preventer stay cannot be rigged, but sadly that is just not fixable at this point...
Bowsprit rigging:
The bowsprit rigging shown on the plans has to be the least clear of any on this model, and it seems to have been significantly simplified to the point of non-utility/confusion in a couple of cases. I've decided to follow Lever and Lees (an excellent reference!) and leverage Petersson. Any mistakes in interpretation and execution are of course my own...
I also felt that Snake deserves a 'traveller' (the jib stay being completely omitted from the plans) which needed to be installed before the jib boom horses. This was made from a single brass wire ring, a spare PE rigging hook, and mutilated PE swivel mount. This was my first attempt at soldering, which let me know in no uncertain terms that I have much to learn! The hook is a little big, but looks acceptable to my eye once fully installed.
Moving on to the various rigging elements...
Spritsail sling: The sling was made of a served line and fitted according to Lever and Lees - essentially the same as for the yard slings. Spritsail stirrups and horses: These were all fitted in situ once the spritsail yard was installed to ensure the stirrups hung vertically Jib Boom Horses: (Lees P51) Secured to eyes in the bowsprit cap, and lashed around the end of the jib boom Inner/Outer Martingales: There does not seem to be single definitive reference to help, and it seemed necessary to piece together info from a variety of sources. Lees indicates the late 18th/early 19th century was period of rapid changes in dolphin striker/bowsprit rigging over a pretty condensed 20yr period. I decided to rig 2 martingales. The inner martingale was seized around the traveler, and the outer martingale seized around the jib boom end. Both were taken through blocks lashed to opposite sides of the bowsprit to lead them over the spritsail yard, and secured using a gun tackle setup to a timberhead. Jib Stay: (Petersson P19) A block was added to the fore topgallant mast to carry the jib stay, one end lashed to the traveler and the other secured via a tackle to inboard starboard pin rail. Fore Topgallant Stay: (Petersson P61) Led through an eye seized to the bowsprit end and secured to the stay using thimbles, a collar and a lashing which was frapped. Jib Outhaul: (Petersson P21 & P62) One end seized to the traveller, led through a sheave cut into the bowsprit to a tackle. Petersson indicates use of a violin block, Lever suggest use of both a violin and a double block system. For a bit of variety (and because I’ve become increasingly unhappy with the look of the supplied items), a double block system was used and this was secured to a timberhead. Jib Boom Guys: Seized around jib boom end and secured using a gun tackle to a cleat on the capping rail Spritsail Yard Halliard: (Petersson P59) Secured to a timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Spritsail Braces: (Petersson P47) Plans are reasonably Spritsail lifts: (Lever Ch40, Petersson P64 and plans) Secured to timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Bowsprit horses and netting: (Petersson P91, Lees 84) The location of the eyebolts seems to be shown both on the front face and top of the timberheads, and settled on the top mounted option. These were simplified a little to and simply seized to the eyes rather than using an eye and lashing. The bowsprit netting was made from two brass wire pieces fed through the line, which were secured with some fine thread. This was then suspended using a couple of clamps on the keel former offcut from "Jason", which allowed the ropes to be secured and wrapped around the wire. Each turn was secured before moving onto the next. It helped having this under slight tension throughout.
The following show how everything ended up....
And finally...the overall state of where things stand:
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Barbossa in French Frigate by Barbossa - 1/64 - POB based on La Vénus (ANCRE) - semi-scratch
Hi Christian, I'm ashamed to say that I have only just found your new build. Great techniques and execution, will certainly be keeping an eye on you now! I think your solution to the stern and lights worked very well, love the colour tones.
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Beef Wellington reacted to Barbossa in French Frigate by Barbossa - 1/64 - POB based on La Vénus (ANCRE) - semi-scratch
Hi,
At last some progress.
Mark, your remark refering to the stern shifted priorities.
As the stern at both extremities dictates the position of the quarterdeckgalleries, why not seize the stern gallery?
Well, after quite some trouble, hesitation, different approaches, here it is.
Still some finishing required, not perfect and most of all, not by the book but I an settle with it.
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from mtaylor in HM Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64
She's looking great Sjors, nicely done.
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from drtrap in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Cheers everyone, grateful for the continued interest to keep some wind in the sails...
@Kevin - I think you and I have similar workstyles, the difference though is that you get a lot more done!
Rigging Update...
As previously mentioned, rigging just does not lend itself to updates as there always seems to be just one more job to complete before an update would be appropriate. Pretty much all rigging in the main and mizzen mast areas is complete. This definitely required some planning ahead to ensure room to work. The main topgallant braces were the last added as the place seriously limits access in an already tight space. Also redid a few completed rigging items in the bowsprit that have been bothering me, but before starting rigging in earnest, I felt the old girl needed a fairlead saddle. After trying, unsuccessfully to make something out of wood, I found that gluing a couple of styrene strips together and then bending around a dowel while steaming kept the styrene with the right curve. The profile could then be better approximated and the hole drilled...far from perfect but looks OK to the unaided eye (the paint was used at this point only to get some contrast on the surface). One item that continues to annoy me is the application of a single 'bee' as per the plans. I can find no other example of this and it just doesn't seem correct, and means that a fore topmast preventer stay cannot be rigged, but sadly that is just not fixable at this point...
Bowsprit rigging:
The bowsprit rigging shown on the plans has to be the least clear of any on this model, and it seems to have been significantly simplified to the point of non-utility/confusion in a couple of cases. I've decided to follow Lever and Lees (an excellent reference!) and leverage Petersson. Any mistakes in interpretation and execution are of course my own...
I also felt that Snake deserves a 'traveller' (the jib stay being completely omitted from the plans) which needed to be installed before the jib boom horses. This was made from a single brass wire ring, a spare PE rigging hook, and mutilated PE swivel mount. This was my first attempt at soldering, which let me know in no uncertain terms that I have much to learn! The hook is a little big, but looks acceptable to my eye once fully installed.
Moving on to the various rigging elements...
Spritsail sling: The sling was made of a served line and fitted according to Lever and Lees - essentially the same as for the yard slings. Spritsail stirrups and horses: These were all fitted in situ once the spritsail yard was installed to ensure the stirrups hung vertically Jib Boom Horses: (Lees P51) Secured to eyes in the bowsprit cap, and lashed around the end of the jib boom Inner/Outer Martingales: There does not seem to be single definitive reference to help, and it seemed necessary to piece together info from a variety of sources. Lees indicates the late 18th/early 19th century was period of rapid changes in dolphin striker/bowsprit rigging over a pretty condensed 20yr period. I decided to rig 2 martingales. The inner martingale was seized around the traveler, and the outer martingale seized around the jib boom end. Both were taken through blocks lashed to opposite sides of the bowsprit to lead them over the spritsail yard, and secured using a gun tackle setup to a timberhead. Jib Stay: (Petersson P19) A block was added to the fore topgallant mast to carry the jib stay, one end lashed to the traveler and the other secured via a tackle to inboard starboard pin rail. Fore Topgallant Stay: (Petersson P61) Led through an eye seized to the bowsprit end and secured to the stay using thimbles, a collar and a lashing which was frapped. Jib Outhaul: (Petersson P21 & P62) One end seized to the traveller, led through a sheave cut into the bowsprit to a tackle. Petersson indicates use of a violin block, Lever suggest use of both a violin and a double block system. For a bit of variety (and because I’ve become increasingly unhappy with the look of the supplied items), a double block system was used and this was secured to a timberhead. Jib Boom Guys: Seized around jib boom end and secured using a gun tackle to a cleat on the capping rail Spritsail Yard Halliard: (Petersson P59) Secured to a timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Spritsail Braces: (Petersson P47) Plans are reasonably Spritsail lifts: (Lever Ch40, Petersson P64 and plans) Secured to timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Bowsprit horses and netting: (Petersson P91, Lees 84) The location of the eyebolts seems to be shown both on the front face and top of the timberheads, and settled on the top mounted option. These were simplified a little to and simply seized to the eyes rather than using an eye and lashing. The bowsprit netting was made from two brass wire pieces fed through the line, which were secured with some fine thread. This was then suspended using a couple of clamps on the keel former offcut from "Jason", which allowed the ropes to be secured and wrapped around the wire. Each turn was secured before moving onto the next. It helped having this under slight tension throughout.
The following show how everything ended up....
And finally...the overall state of where things stand:
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Beef Wellington reacted to Sjors in HM Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64
Update time.
I make the shrouds and ratlines of the lower masts.
That's it!
Not much but something.....
Sjors
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Beef Wellington reacted to Sjors in HM Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64
Thanks Bob and John.
And also for the likes.
I had the idea that a small ship was easy to make.
But no, it’s a challenge but also more fun!
The only thing that i found out is that you have to read carefully the drawings.
What you are looking for is there, only you have to find it.
The difference between all the manufacturers is so big.
Each drawing has his own way of showing things.
( i hope you understand what i mean)
I think with the next one i Should have less problems.....
Sjors
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Beef Wellington reacted to Sjors in HM Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64
Time for an update.
Masts and bowsprit done.
With all the blocks for the lower parts.
Also the jib boom and the first rope is on it.
It's very tiny work so it takes some time to attach things
But that's the fun ( I think )🙂
Thanks for the visit and thanks for the likes .
Sjors
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from egkb in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Cheers everyone, grateful for the continued interest to keep some wind in the sails...
@Kevin - I think you and I have similar workstyles, the difference though is that you get a lot more done!
Rigging Update...
As previously mentioned, rigging just does not lend itself to updates as there always seems to be just one more job to complete before an update would be appropriate. Pretty much all rigging in the main and mizzen mast areas is complete. This definitely required some planning ahead to ensure room to work. The main topgallant braces were the last added as the place seriously limits access in an already tight space. Also redid a few completed rigging items in the bowsprit that have been bothering me, but before starting rigging in earnest, I felt the old girl needed a fairlead saddle. After trying, unsuccessfully to make something out of wood, I found that gluing a couple of styrene strips together and then bending around a dowel while steaming kept the styrene with the right curve. The profile could then be better approximated and the hole drilled...far from perfect but looks OK to the unaided eye (the paint was used at this point only to get some contrast on the surface). One item that continues to annoy me is the application of a single 'bee' as per the plans. I can find no other example of this and it just doesn't seem correct, and means that a fore topmast preventer stay cannot be rigged, but sadly that is just not fixable at this point...
Bowsprit rigging:
The bowsprit rigging shown on the plans has to be the least clear of any on this model, and it seems to have been significantly simplified to the point of non-utility/confusion in a couple of cases. I've decided to follow Lever and Lees (an excellent reference!) and leverage Petersson. Any mistakes in interpretation and execution are of course my own...
I also felt that Snake deserves a 'traveller' (the jib stay being completely omitted from the plans) which needed to be installed before the jib boom horses. This was made from a single brass wire ring, a spare PE rigging hook, and mutilated PE swivel mount. This was my first attempt at soldering, which let me know in no uncertain terms that I have much to learn! The hook is a little big, but looks acceptable to my eye once fully installed.
Moving on to the various rigging elements...
Spritsail sling: The sling was made of a served line and fitted according to Lever and Lees - essentially the same as for the yard slings. Spritsail stirrups and horses: These were all fitted in situ once the spritsail yard was installed to ensure the stirrups hung vertically Jib Boom Horses: (Lees P51) Secured to eyes in the bowsprit cap, and lashed around the end of the jib boom Inner/Outer Martingales: There does not seem to be single definitive reference to help, and it seemed necessary to piece together info from a variety of sources. Lees indicates the late 18th/early 19th century was period of rapid changes in dolphin striker/bowsprit rigging over a pretty condensed 20yr period. I decided to rig 2 martingales. The inner martingale was seized around the traveler, and the outer martingale seized around the jib boom end. Both were taken through blocks lashed to opposite sides of the bowsprit to lead them over the spritsail yard, and secured using a gun tackle setup to a timberhead. Jib Stay: (Petersson P19) A block was added to the fore topgallant mast to carry the jib stay, one end lashed to the traveler and the other secured via a tackle to inboard starboard pin rail. Fore Topgallant Stay: (Petersson P61) Led through an eye seized to the bowsprit end and secured to the stay using thimbles, a collar and a lashing which was frapped. Jib Outhaul: (Petersson P21 & P62) One end seized to the traveller, led through a sheave cut into the bowsprit to a tackle. Petersson indicates use of a violin block, Lever suggest use of both a violin and a double block system. For a bit of variety (and because I’ve become increasingly unhappy with the look of the supplied items), a double block system was used and this was secured to a timberhead. Jib Boom Guys: Seized around jib boom end and secured using a gun tackle to a cleat on the capping rail Spritsail Yard Halliard: (Petersson P59) Secured to a timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Spritsail Braces: (Petersson P47) Plans are reasonably Spritsail lifts: (Lever Ch40, Petersson P64 and plans) Secured to timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Bowsprit horses and netting: (Petersson P91, Lees 84) The location of the eyebolts seems to be shown both on the front face and top of the timberheads, and settled on the top mounted option. These were simplified a little to and simply seized to the eyes rather than using an eye and lashing. The bowsprit netting was made from two brass wire pieces fed through the line, which were secured with some fine thread. This was then suspended using a couple of clamps on the keel former offcut from "Jason", which allowed the ropes to be secured and wrapped around the wire. Each turn was secured before moving onto the next. It helped having this under slight tension throughout.
The following show how everything ended up....
And finally...the overall state of where things stand:
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Martin W in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Cheers everyone, grateful for the continued interest to keep some wind in the sails...
@Kevin - I think you and I have similar workstyles, the difference though is that you get a lot more done!
Rigging Update...
As previously mentioned, rigging just does not lend itself to updates as there always seems to be just one more job to complete before an update would be appropriate. Pretty much all rigging in the main and mizzen mast areas is complete. This definitely required some planning ahead to ensure room to work. The main topgallant braces were the last added as the place seriously limits access in an already tight space. Also redid a few completed rigging items in the bowsprit that have been bothering me, but before starting rigging in earnest, I felt the old girl needed a fairlead saddle. After trying, unsuccessfully to make something out of wood, I found that gluing a couple of styrene strips together and then bending around a dowel while steaming kept the styrene with the right curve. The profile could then be better approximated and the hole drilled...far from perfect but looks OK to the unaided eye (the paint was used at this point only to get some contrast on the surface). One item that continues to annoy me is the application of a single 'bee' as per the plans. I can find no other example of this and it just doesn't seem correct, and means that a fore topmast preventer stay cannot be rigged, but sadly that is just not fixable at this point...
Bowsprit rigging:
The bowsprit rigging shown on the plans has to be the least clear of any on this model, and it seems to have been significantly simplified to the point of non-utility/confusion in a couple of cases. I've decided to follow Lever and Lees (an excellent reference!) and leverage Petersson. Any mistakes in interpretation and execution are of course my own...
I also felt that Snake deserves a 'traveller' (the jib stay being completely omitted from the plans) which needed to be installed before the jib boom horses. This was made from a single brass wire ring, a spare PE rigging hook, and mutilated PE swivel mount. This was my first attempt at soldering, which let me know in no uncertain terms that I have much to learn! The hook is a little big, but looks acceptable to my eye once fully installed.
Moving on to the various rigging elements...
Spritsail sling: The sling was made of a served line and fitted according to Lever and Lees - essentially the same as for the yard slings. Spritsail stirrups and horses: These were all fitted in situ once the spritsail yard was installed to ensure the stirrups hung vertically Jib Boom Horses: (Lees P51) Secured to eyes in the bowsprit cap, and lashed around the end of the jib boom Inner/Outer Martingales: There does not seem to be single definitive reference to help, and it seemed necessary to piece together info from a variety of sources. Lees indicates the late 18th/early 19th century was period of rapid changes in dolphin striker/bowsprit rigging over a pretty condensed 20yr period. I decided to rig 2 martingales. The inner martingale was seized around the traveler, and the outer martingale seized around the jib boom end. Both were taken through blocks lashed to opposite sides of the bowsprit to lead them over the spritsail yard, and secured using a gun tackle setup to a timberhead. Jib Stay: (Petersson P19) A block was added to the fore topgallant mast to carry the jib stay, one end lashed to the traveler and the other secured via a tackle to inboard starboard pin rail. Fore Topgallant Stay: (Petersson P61) Led through an eye seized to the bowsprit end and secured to the stay using thimbles, a collar and a lashing which was frapped. Jib Outhaul: (Petersson P21 & P62) One end seized to the traveller, led through a sheave cut into the bowsprit to a tackle. Petersson indicates use of a violin block, Lever suggest use of both a violin and a double block system. For a bit of variety (and because I’ve become increasingly unhappy with the look of the supplied items), a double block system was used and this was secured to a timberhead. Jib Boom Guys: Seized around jib boom end and secured using a gun tackle to a cleat on the capping rail Spritsail Yard Halliard: (Petersson P59) Secured to a timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Spritsail Braces: (Petersson P47) Plans are reasonably Spritsail lifts: (Lever Ch40, Petersson P64 and plans) Secured to timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Bowsprit horses and netting: (Petersson P91, Lees 84) The location of the eyebolts seems to be shown both on the front face and top of the timberheads, and settled on the top mounted option. These were simplified a little to and simply seized to the eyes rather than using an eye and lashing. The bowsprit netting was made from two brass wire pieces fed through the line, which were secured with some fine thread. This was then suspended using a couple of clamps on the keel former offcut from "Jason", which allowed the ropes to be secured and wrapped around the wire. Each turn was secured before moving onto the next. It helped having this under slight tension throughout.
The following show how everything ended up....
And finally...the overall state of where things stand:
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Jorge Diaz O in HMS Jason by Beef Wellington - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Artois-class frigate modified from HMS Diana 1794
Hi Folks,
Sadly been rather absent from both the shipyard and this site for some time. I very much hope to catch up soon on everyone else's fine builds here soon. Time to get a little more up to date, the cutter is pretty close to completion aside from a little fettling.
Frames were added to the interior using strips cut from some scrap 0.5mm pear wood. These were soaked and pre-bent in situ prior to gluing with PVA:
The frames were further reduced down to the keel former to try and get a bit more depth the boat. To my eye, applying planking to the false deck puts the board too high, especially as there is very little room to play with considering the various structural elements still to go on. A template for the footwaling was then made up to determine the shape. Once the placement was determined, the rising plank was added (again cut from some 0.5mm pear sheet)
I wanted to try and allow the footwalling to have an element of curvature which would be natural on the real boat. A relatively straightforward way to achieve this was to apply wood strip to thin card to match the template which maintains a lot of flexibility (Straight strip was used rather than the more complicated curved planking on the plan). Once dry, the assembly was easily glued on top of the keel former, the footwaling then follows the interior curve naturally.
With those element in place, it was possible to add the platform under the sternsheets. The Diana plans show these as a grating, but to my eye again the kit supplied grating is too large, so plain boards were installed instead which also appear to be used. After the main and fore mast steps, thwarts and ringbolts I assume would be used for hoisting the boat had been added, the bow was closed in using a cover as suggested on the plan - this also helped disguise the rudimentary construction at the bow. The rowlocks were cut, interestingly these are not symetrical between port and starboard, and one seems to sit rather awkwardly in the sternsheets.
The sternsheets were made up and installed, again having used a template to finalise shape, together with all the other details including mast thwarts, gunwale and knees.
The colour scheme follows a slightly simplified version of that shown below which seems suitably utilitarian. Looking at this, and comparing once the black was applied, suggests to me that I made a mistake in the tapering of the clinker planking. The black area covers both the wash strake and upper strake, and judging from these pictures it appears that these are of somewhat consistent in width, especially toward the stem. I had tapered these proportionally as well, hoping nobody else notices...
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from WalrusGuy in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
The Mizzen has arisen:
I can see why build logs tend to neglect rigging relegating it to a bit of a dark art - its so hard to reach a point where one can step back and say 'done' because nothing quite seems to get finished before its necessary to do something else before its too late. Anyway, the mizzen rigging is now essentially complete. This area proved to one of the more challenging so far 'learning the ropes', but also just because of the increased fiddliness factor and decreased access. The plans also proved more challenging in this area due to their either lack of clarity or incompleteness.
Before starting, this was my last chance to address some things that have been annoying me. The kit supplied ladders going to the stern platform just seemed too bulky, so these were ripped off and replaced with custom made items that just felt a little more to scale, and less visually obtrusive. These proved challenging to make in walnut due to the splinter factor, but necessary to avoid introducing a new wood. The ships wheel was also given some coats of a wash to try and make it a bit attractive from the flat brown colour I had used way back when I started (Pre-fix situation below):
Rigging could then proceed, planning ahead proved key due to the many elements that need to be fitted in a very tight space, especially below the tops (tye, parrels throat halliard etc). Petersson's Rigging Period Ship Models and Lever's Young Officers Sheet Anchor provide invaluable to bridge contradictions and lack of clarity in the plans. Items of note as follows:
Boom Sheets - went with single vs a double arrangement as illustrated on the plans as I couldn't find another example like this Gaff throat halliard - the positioning of the gaff is slightly different on each plan, I had to lower my original placement to allow for the two double 5mm blocks, luckily the pin hole was obscured Single boom horse - Common practice seems to have a knotted horses on either side of the boom. I just couldn't get this to look right and the image of a young schoolboy with rather large and unruly ears kept coming to mind....so in the end I just went with a single and it seems to do the trick other than to purists. Blocks for main topsail brace - One of the first blocks I had installed has to be removed, a double block on the mizzen for the main topsail braces as indicated on the plans. It was clear that this just wouldn't work with the crossjack and gaff in place as it needs to sit above the gaff. I elected to remove and replace with 2 single 5mm blocks with a longer clearance from the mast to avoid interfering with the various rigging elements in this space as illustrated in Petersson. These are held temporarily in place with sewing thread. Close up pictures of where things ended up that hopefully can assist others (errors are of course mine):
Finally, some overall shots...
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from drtrap in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Hi Folks, have been away from the shipyard and this site for quite some time, and I've missed the friendly interaction. Looking forward to catching up with everyone's builds soon!
@Martin - welcome to the neighborhood! We got lucky and didn't lose power in the storms, hope you stayed safe. We definitely need to connect at some point so I can pick your brains 🙂
@ Sjors - Good to hear from you old friend, its been a while! Will check out your new model soon.
@ Stergios - the yards were rigged from bottom to top. Not sure if that is the recommended way, but it made sense to me to do that way because the lower masts require quite a few items of rigging to be in place near the mast and it seemed that this would be harder if the lines from the top masts were getting in the way. Maybe personal preference?
The cutter has finally been finished and the details of the final stages of construction are posted in my 'Jason' build log. Figuring out where to place the cutter onboard Snake was a little bit of a challenge. It seems inconceivable that a ship (sloop) like Snake would not have at least one boat, but there is simply no space to place one. I could find no examples of solutions to this in practice (recognizing that other ships may well have had raised davits), and it seems somewhat logical to mount the supports on the coamings which would also be supported by the deck beams underneath. Finally in position, its clear that even a modest 24' cutter has little room to spare.
With that done, now rigging can continue, hopefully some progress possible soon...
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from cog in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Cheers everyone, grateful for the continued interest to keep some wind in the sails...
@Kevin - I think you and I have similar workstyles, the difference though is that you get a lot more done!
Rigging Update...
As previously mentioned, rigging just does not lend itself to updates as there always seems to be just one more job to complete before an update would be appropriate. Pretty much all rigging in the main and mizzen mast areas is complete. This definitely required some planning ahead to ensure room to work. The main topgallant braces were the last added as the place seriously limits access in an already tight space. Also redid a few completed rigging items in the bowsprit that have been bothering me, but before starting rigging in earnest, I felt the old girl needed a fairlead saddle. After trying, unsuccessfully to make something out of wood, I found that gluing a couple of styrene strips together and then bending around a dowel while steaming kept the styrene with the right curve. The profile could then be better approximated and the hole drilled...far from perfect but looks OK to the unaided eye (the paint was used at this point only to get some contrast on the surface). One item that continues to annoy me is the application of a single 'bee' as per the plans. I can find no other example of this and it just doesn't seem correct, and means that a fore topmast preventer stay cannot be rigged, but sadly that is just not fixable at this point...
Bowsprit rigging:
The bowsprit rigging shown on the plans has to be the least clear of any on this model, and it seems to have been significantly simplified to the point of non-utility/confusion in a couple of cases. I've decided to follow Lever and Lees (an excellent reference!) and leverage Petersson. Any mistakes in interpretation and execution are of course my own...
I also felt that Snake deserves a 'traveller' (the jib stay being completely omitted from the plans) which needed to be installed before the jib boom horses. This was made from a single brass wire ring, a spare PE rigging hook, and mutilated PE swivel mount. This was my first attempt at soldering, which let me know in no uncertain terms that I have much to learn! The hook is a little big, but looks acceptable to my eye once fully installed.
Moving on to the various rigging elements...
Spritsail sling: The sling was made of a served line and fitted according to Lever and Lees - essentially the same as for the yard slings. Spritsail stirrups and horses: These were all fitted in situ once the spritsail yard was installed to ensure the stirrups hung vertically Jib Boom Horses: (Lees P51) Secured to eyes in the bowsprit cap, and lashed around the end of the jib boom Inner/Outer Martingales: There does not seem to be single definitive reference to help, and it seemed necessary to piece together info from a variety of sources. Lees indicates the late 18th/early 19th century was period of rapid changes in dolphin striker/bowsprit rigging over a pretty condensed 20yr period. I decided to rig 2 martingales. The inner martingale was seized around the traveler, and the outer martingale seized around the jib boom end. Both were taken through blocks lashed to opposite sides of the bowsprit to lead them over the spritsail yard, and secured using a gun tackle setup to a timberhead. Jib Stay: (Petersson P19) A block was added to the fore topgallant mast to carry the jib stay, one end lashed to the traveler and the other secured via a tackle to inboard starboard pin rail. Fore Topgallant Stay: (Petersson P61) Led through an eye seized to the bowsprit end and secured to the stay using thimbles, a collar and a lashing which was frapped. Jib Outhaul: (Petersson P21 & P62) One end seized to the traveller, led through a sheave cut into the bowsprit to a tackle. Petersson indicates use of a violin block, Lever suggest use of both a violin and a double block system. For a bit of variety (and because I’ve become increasingly unhappy with the look of the supplied items), a double block system was used and this was secured to a timberhead. Jib Boom Guys: Seized around jib boom end and secured using a gun tackle to a cleat on the capping rail Spritsail Yard Halliard: (Petersson P59) Secured to a timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Spritsail Braces: (Petersson P47) Plans are reasonably Spritsail lifts: (Lever Ch40, Petersson P64 and plans) Secured to timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Bowsprit horses and netting: (Petersson P91, Lees 84) The location of the eyebolts seems to be shown both on the front face and top of the timberheads, and settled on the top mounted option. These were simplified a little to and simply seized to the eyes rather than using an eye and lashing. The bowsprit netting was made from two brass wire pieces fed through the line, which were secured with some fine thread. This was then suspended using a couple of clamps on the keel former offcut from "Jason", which allowed the ropes to be secured and wrapped around the wire. Each turn was secured before moving onto the next. It helped having this under slight tension throughout.
The following show how everything ended up....
And finally...the overall state of where things stand:
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Beef Wellington got a reaction from Mike_H in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Cheers everyone, grateful for the continued interest to keep some wind in the sails...
@Kevin - I think you and I have similar workstyles, the difference though is that you get a lot more done!
Rigging Update...
As previously mentioned, rigging just does not lend itself to updates as there always seems to be just one more job to complete before an update would be appropriate. Pretty much all rigging in the main and mizzen mast areas is complete. This definitely required some planning ahead to ensure room to work. The main topgallant braces were the last added as the place seriously limits access in an already tight space. Also redid a few completed rigging items in the bowsprit that have been bothering me, but before starting rigging in earnest, I felt the old girl needed a fairlead saddle. After trying, unsuccessfully to make something out of wood, I found that gluing a couple of styrene strips together and then bending around a dowel while steaming kept the styrene with the right curve. The profile could then be better approximated and the hole drilled...far from perfect but looks OK to the unaided eye (the paint was used at this point only to get some contrast on the surface). One item that continues to annoy me is the application of a single 'bee' as per the plans. I can find no other example of this and it just doesn't seem correct, and means that a fore topmast preventer stay cannot be rigged, but sadly that is just not fixable at this point...
Bowsprit rigging:
The bowsprit rigging shown on the plans has to be the least clear of any on this model, and it seems to have been significantly simplified to the point of non-utility/confusion in a couple of cases. I've decided to follow Lever and Lees (an excellent reference!) and leverage Petersson. Any mistakes in interpretation and execution are of course my own...
I also felt that Snake deserves a 'traveller' (the jib stay being completely omitted from the plans) which needed to be installed before the jib boom horses. This was made from a single brass wire ring, a spare PE rigging hook, and mutilated PE swivel mount. This was my first attempt at soldering, which let me know in no uncertain terms that I have much to learn! The hook is a little big, but looks acceptable to my eye once fully installed.
Moving on to the various rigging elements...
Spritsail sling: The sling was made of a served line and fitted according to Lever and Lees - essentially the same as for the yard slings. Spritsail stirrups and horses: These were all fitted in situ once the spritsail yard was installed to ensure the stirrups hung vertically Jib Boom Horses: (Lees P51) Secured to eyes in the bowsprit cap, and lashed around the end of the jib boom Inner/Outer Martingales: There does not seem to be single definitive reference to help, and it seemed necessary to piece together info from a variety of sources. Lees indicates the late 18th/early 19th century was period of rapid changes in dolphin striker/bowsprit rigging over a pretty condensed 20yr period. I decided to rig 2 martingales. The inner martingale was seized around the traveler, and the outer martingale seized around the jib boom end. Both were taken through blocks lashed to opposite sides of the bowsprit to lead them over the spritsail yard, and secured using a gun tackle setup to a timberhead. Jib Stay: (Petersson P19) A block was added to the fore topgallant mast to carry the jib stay, one end lashed to the traveler and the other secured via a tackle to inboard starboard pin rail. Fore Topgallant Stay: (Petersson P61) Led through an eye seized to the bowsprit end and secured to the stay using thimbles, a collar and a lashing which was frapped. Jib Outhaul: (Petersson P21 & P62) One end seized to the traveller, led through a sheave cut into the bowsprit to a tackle. Petersson indicates use of a violin block, Lever suggest use of both a violin and a double block system. For a bit of variety (and because I’ve become increasingly unhappy with the look of the supplied items), a double block system was used and this was secured to a timberhead. Jib Boom Guys: Seized around jib boom end and secured using a gun tackle to a cleat on the capping rail Spritsail Yard Halliard: (Petersson P59) Secured to a timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Spritsail Braces: (Petersson P47) Plans are reasonably Spritsail lifts: (Lever Ch40, Petersson P64 and plans) Secured to timberhead per Petersson, rather than pin rail as called out on the plans. Bowsprit horses and netting: (Petersson P91, Lees 84) The location of the eyebolts seems to be shown both on the front face and top of the timberheads, and settled on the top mounted option. These were simplified a little to and simply seized to the eyes rather than using an eye and lashing. The bowsprit netting was made from two brass wire pieces fed through the line, which were secured with some fine thread. This was then suspended using a couple of clamps on the keel former offcut from "Jason", which allowed the ropes to be secured and wrapped around the wire. Each turn was secured before moving onto the next. It helped having this under slight tension throughout.
The following show how everything ended up....
And finally...the overall state of where things stand:
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Beef Wellington reacted to Sjors in HMS Snake by Beef Wellington - FINISHED - Caldercraft - Scale 1: 64 - First wooden ship build
Are you in a tv studio with that green?....
But you can see everything.
And as always......great job!
Sjors