Admiral Vernon by philo426 - FINISHED - Steingraber

[Lucius Molchany]

The doubling method for the shrouds was a good idea and I am pleased with the result.

[mattsayers148]

Your pictures are getting more clear and once you get that tuned in it will be nice to be able to zoom in and see the fine details. Just a thought on future builds for the shrouds. Serving the lines will not only make the lines bigger but will help to give them realism as this was customary.

 

This is a really nice book that was suggested here in MSW. The art of rigging a ship has changed very little over hundreds of years. You can find it on Amazon for only a few bucks.

[NenadM]

This is your ship, Captain

 

Here on MSW you can find "The Art of Rigging" in *.pdf if you are interested

Edited October 19, 2015 by Nenad

[Lucius Molchany]

Thanks,I will see if I can find that book.

[Lucius Molchany]

Attached the blocks for the second course and tied up the ratlines.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Lucius Molchany

[NenadM]

Maybe to try to tide up a bit more?

 

BTW, interesting background

Edited October 21, 2015 by Nenad

[GuntherMT]

For future consideration, your shrouds should not be 'tied off' together under the platform.  The shrouds are actually done in pairs that loop around the mast above the platform.  You would do the forward pair on one side, then the forward pair on the other side, and work backwards.  You end up with a series of looped wraps around the mast, from alternating sides, which are then seized together (in the pairs only) below the platform.

 

Here is a photo example to show what I am talking about, although this ship has a simple trestle tree instead of a platform.  In your ship, that hole in the platform on each side of the masts is where the shrouds should be coming through I believe.

 

 

For the deadeyes and lanyards, you should consider trying to align them (the holes) like in my last post on the previous page of your log, and run the lanyards as shown there as well, I think those steps would sharpen up your final look considerably.

For future builds, consider building and rigging the masts in sections.  You build all the masts and dry fit them off the ship, but don't glue them together.  Then you put on the lower mast section, and put on all the shrouds and standing rigging before adding the platform so that you don't have to feed the shrouds up through that little hole, around the mast, and then back through it, and then try to seize the pairs in that tight space.  Continue up from there by adding the second mast section, adding the shrouds, then adding the 2nd mast platform, etc... 

 

When you've seen the picture, let me know and I'll delete it from this post so it's not cluttering up your log.

 

Take care,

 

[Lucius Molchany]

Thanks for the info .I will use your suggestions on future builds.

[NenadM]

Maybe usefull?

 

[Lucius Molchany]

Tied on the second course on the main mast and will do the 3rd next.I also put the highest platform and flag pole.

[NenadM]

Fragile structure .... Challenge

[Lucius Molchany]

Yes the parts are thin but being wood they are more robust than plastic for sure!

[Lucius Molchany]

Finished with the ratlines and will now start work on the jibboom.  

[Lucius Molchany]

Further work on the bowsprit and jibboom area.

[Ulises Victoria]

Hello Philo. This is too late, but I hope you take it into account for your next build.

I just noticed in the photo in your post #18 that the 3 planks that can be seen in the hull, have their butt ends aligned.

Butt ends should always be staggered, be it hull planks, deck planks or bricks on a wall.

 

Here is a photo of a deck, but the same principle applies to a hull.

 

 

Hope you find this useful.

 

Ulises

 

 

 

[Lucius Molchany]

Ok thanks for the tip.I will remember to try to stagger the planks on future builds.

Edited October 28, 2015 by Lucius Molchany

[Lucius Molchany]

Starting to rig the bow section.

[dgbot]

Philo, your ratlines came out even however they have a natural look.  On the real thing they were tarred.  You can darken them with a stain.

David B

[Lucius Molchany]

Yes I can carefully darken them.

[GuntherMT]

Counter point - there is plenty of evidence, and many current replica's that do not have the ratlines tarred.  I'd go with whichever looks best to your eye.

 

When I was in San Diego, there were six ships with rope rat-lines.  Four of them were not darkened (Pilgrim, Exy Johnson, Irving Johnson, San Salvador), and one of them was (the Surprise).  I don't recall on the Californian, and didn't get any proper photo's to reference.

 

Here is a shot of the ratlines on the Pilgrim:

 

 

Here is a shot of the ratlines on one of the Johnsons (they are basically identical sister-ships):

 

 

And the San Salvador:

 

 

I'm not sure how good of an example the Surprise is of blackened lines, as they had a real mishmash of blackened and unblackened lines all over the place.  Like here you can see the blackened ratlines, but also both blackened and natural lanyards between the deadeyes.

 

 

So yea.  Do whatever makes you happy for the ratlines.  

[Lucius Molchany]

Man I sure wish that they would make sequel to Master and Commander.Russell said he would do it but the first film was not sucessful enough.

[GuntherMT]

They'd have to build/buy a new ship now, the Surprise is owned by the San Diego Maritime Museum.  Of course if the studio was willing to foot the bill for a full up re-build, I'm sure they would work something out, she needs lots of maintenance.

[Lucius Molchany]

Well if they can build one for Johnny Depp they can build one for Russell Crowe.

[Lucius Molchany]

I have never put cloth sails on a ship before so I decided to use the sails from AL Hermione.None of the sails would fit the lower boom so I took one of the jibs and furled it on the boom.Seemed to have worked fairly well.

[Lucius Molchany]

Put on the lower ywrd on the foremast.The blocks and lines support the yard structurally.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Lucius Molchany

[Lucius Molchany]

Progres continues.

[Lucius Molchany]

Progress continues on putting on the ysrds and sails.I drill a tiny hole in thej mast abnd yard or spar to accept a tiny brad.the blocks and lines balance and hold it in the proper position.

[Lucius Molchany]

Finishing up putting the spars and sails on the main mast Looking good

[Lucius Molchany]

Put on the spanker and the rear flag ploe.Wow it sure is heavy for a flag pole but that is what the plans show.

[Lucius Molchany]

Plan illustration photo.