slagoon Posted March 24, 2013 Share #1 Posted March 24, 2013 I made an error on my Harriet Lane, and was moving so slowly that I knew during my workweek progress would feel too slow for me to bear. Inspired by TheMadChemist I picked up a Peterboro Canoe by Midwest off Ebay and had it in the wings for this exact type of occasion (actually it only arrived on Tuesday! so perfect timing) My husband very nearly took my Harriet Lane away from me telling me that I needed some time away from the mess I'd made (he did put it very nicely and I am actually the one who removed the ship from my view) but I came back with my big yellow box. All the papers were rolled up so I have heavyish things on them so they don't curl on me.... I figured I'd only get to sorting things, but immediately was giddy with all my new bits and pieces and had to dive in. I did restrain myself enough to fully sort through ALL the wood and mark it so I wouldn't mistakenly use the wrong piece later. So this is a different sort of planking than I've done before, what you do is build a jig with what the inside shape of the canoe looks like and plank on those without gluing to them - so it is sorta like plank on bulkhead -but you don't glue to the bulkhead AND you take the bulkhead OUT. Here is the building of the jig. you start with marking the center lines on all your jig pieces using the handy dandy drawings... Then you glue them to the board that you also have a center line on. Then you take your stem (front and rear) and glue it to a piece you've cut to size based on the plans. Turn that upside down and glue the tops of the stems (the downward most point since we are upside down) to the jigs. It said to lightly glue, but I ended up needing a lot as this kept coming free. The first set of planks (one on each side) I had a real hard time getting to stay so I used CA glue, which I don't like using much, but after that the rest have been applied with wood glue. The kit gives you one strip of mahogany to put in as an accent stripe...but I grabbed a couple strips of teak that I had and added a second accent stripe, why? Because I love the look of contrasting wood...and cause it is my build So here is where it stands as of the time I went to work today. More to come soon! Thanks for looking ozerozkadi 1 Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Steve Posted March 24, 2013 Share #2 Posted March 24, 2013 Hi Sarah I will enjoy following your build on the canoe, I built the peterborough a few years ago and had a lot of fun with it. It's funny I get more comments from my friends on the canoe then I do on the larger ships I have done . Enjoy the build ....Steve Quote current build : Apostol Felipe past : Mississippi riverboat, Albatross and a few midwest kits future : Santisima Trinidad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted March 24, 2013 Share #3 Posted March 24, 2013 (edited) Yahoo another Peterboro! TEAK? and Mahogany! holy swizzle sticks Batman this canoe is gonna rock. I've actually considered buying the wood to build a striped canoe. Once you have the formers and blueprints all you need is the wood. Cant wait to see this one go together, but honestly going from 1:144 to 1:12 will ruin you and having to go back to Harriet is gonna be hard. You'll think you've gone blind One other thing. on your planking clamps, Ive been debating on buying a set of those but wasnt impressed with the reviews Ive read. Nothing better then the opinion of someone you know and trust. are they worth the inventment, I'm having a heck of a time getting the planks to lie flat to the bulkhead and rubberbands and wood block just isnt getting it. Poor clamping is forcing me to you CA and I don't like that. Your word and I'm ordering these. Edited March 24, 2013 by themadchemist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted March 24, 2013 Share #4 Posted March 24, 2013 Oh one other thing, Its hard to see but is your keel raised off of the center former? It looks like it might a bit. If it is, dont make the mistake I did a tack it down, unless you shim it. Tacking it down caused the keel to be to long (because a bow formed) and I didn't realize this until I'd passed the curvature of the ends of the keel. This ended up giving the Pereaboro a raised keel rather then a flat bottom. Other then that, that was the only problem I remember and had it not been my first build, Ive have known not to make that desicion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share #5 Posted March 24, 2013 Steve, thanks I'm excited about it after seeing how beautifully Keith's came out Keith, I haven't tacked the keel down. Should I shim it or leave it floppy? As far as the clamps.... They are ok, not amazing... But they do help... After seeing them though you could recreate the concept easily enough using binder clips and wire. Dan vad (I think) has a post with a set of homemade clamps and other tools. I got them as part of a whole set of tools from the model expo sale on tools. Really though, I probably wouldn't buy them again. (But I may as well use them) Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 24, 2013 Share #6 Posted March 24, 2013 I built the Peterboro a number of years back. It's a fun build. I strapped it on the side of my Piper Cub float plane and the guys love it. Complete with flyrod and net. Nice touch with the additional teak accent plank. Get a good hi-gloss finish on her and she's a beauty. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted March 24, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted March 24, 2013 Augie, I'm thinking either the French polish like was done here http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/839-cw-morgan-whaleboat-by-salty-sea-dog-al-scale-125-wood-pof-first-wooden-boat-build/ or tongue oil. Not sure which Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted March 24, 2013 Share #8 Posted March 24, 2013 I'd tack it but shim it so its flat from curve to curve (check it with a straight edge). I discovered after rounding the curve planking that the planking held it where it was. At that point it was have a convex or concave bottom, so I gave it a raised keel as it would have really looked bad otherwise. Even with the slight bow once the false keel was glued it's really not all that noticable. ...and I figured it'd help the canoe cut thru the H2O. I mainly tacked it to hold it centered while planking, you could tack it for the first few planks but your already to that point looks like... so Id probably just let it be free. I was thinking small binder clips yesterday with a steel rod welded on its back. Hum now I have to think some more.... I haven't had the buzz box out lately.... ...tmc casually gazes into space, again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted March 24, 2013 Share #9 Posted March 24, 2013 Sarah this looks very interesting, I shall be following along. my wife keeps asking about getting a full size one.....for the lake. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted March 24, 2013 Share #10 Posted March 24, 2013 I'm with you on the french polish, that salty sea dog buck has me re-shopping for shellac now (I had planned a sprayed laquer), which I nearly bought with my lee valley order that arrives tomorrow, ARGH! Oh Well, one always need an excuse Orange flakes http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,190,42942&p=20030 and the pumice http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,190,43040,20059&p=20059 Lee Valley also has free shipping until tomorrow. I was also considering these scrapers, wondering how they'd work on shaping the hull. Less messy then sanding. http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?cat=1,310,41069&p=32639 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) Michael - I think it would be a BLAST to build a full size one - though I'd go more for a Kayak as I'm not fond of canoeing, but love kayaking - something about the double sided paddle I guess.... Keith - those scrapers do sure look nice, and thanks for the sources of the pumice and shellac flakes...I don't know if I'll do that or the oil yet. Well I can always build a second one - like you said I'll have the forms!... Also here is a link to the homemade tools post I mentioned. Dan's Clamps Here is another post with a different solution Floyd's clamps Edited March 25, 2013 by slagoon Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted March 25, 2013 Share #12 Posted March 25, 2013 Hi Sarah! I love the look of contrasting wood too! Best wishes with this new build. I'm worried that you and Keith are gonna force me into adding one of these kits to my ship locker! Lecsandro 1 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted March 25, 2013 Author Share #13 Posted March 25, 2013 Buck...you should consider grabbing one if/when you see it for less than $35 with shipping on ebay. That ends up being a rather fair price and it is a fun boat that isn't really causing stress...just a nice step back to super simple (simple doesn't mean quick and mistake free....just that you are doing a basic thing and trying to do it as well as possible.) I added the "Canadian Canoe" to my wishlist - that'd be neat too. Keith - you mentioned a striped one...what about a gradient one where you start with ebony at the top and work your way to holly at the bottom (or vice-versa) that could be amazing looking. Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted March 25, 2013 Share #14 Posted March 25, 2013 Hi Sarah, I've been away for one day and you started a new build…... Looks like a fun build. And again with tutorials... I follow you also on this one. Good luck and enjoy. slagoon 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebekb Posted March 25, 2013 Share #15 Posted March 25, 2013 I've seen those kits, they are tempting - it looks like a fun build! Rebecca Quote * * * * * * * * First-time builder Current build: Mini-Mamoli Mississippi Sternwheeler On the shelf: MM: Charles Morgan, La Goleta MW: Ches. Flattie, Crabbing Skiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted March 31, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted March 31, 2013 Just for you Keith. Here is a photo. That curve to get to the bottom is a bugger Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted March 31, 2013 Share #17 Posted March 31, 2013 Hey Bummer, It goes a bit deeper then just your average floyd-nut. I actually have a Ph.D (piled higher and deeper) in Floydology. Their are many of us though. Thanks Sarah for the fix, your almost to the fun part, wait it was all fun part My shellac and pumice arrived friday so some time next week I hope to start to french polish, hopefully I can get results like Buck and that schmoo shaped scraper worked wonders on the starboard side of the Swift. Way better then sanding and its shape fits most every concave contour of the hull. Five more planks to go on the larboard side and one soaking for forming ATM. I really need to get some pictures up in my log also.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #18 Posted April 4, 2013 Yay I've made some fantastic progress since I've been off work the last few days. So you saw some planking earlier, I continued with that. I found that I needed to bevel the edges of the planks to get a smooth curve in the transition from side to bottom. For such good instructions they kinda failed there since it wasn't noted... When I got to the point that less than two planks would fit I stopped. I glued two planks together and let them sit and dry. Then I cut them into the shape that remained open on the bottom of the canoe. I sanded them into the correct shape and then glued them in. Next was adding the sloped top of the canoe. I used some of the leftover teak and mahogany to make it pretty. Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted April 4, 2013 I made my oars during all this glue drying time I also sanded (A LOT) and then got to the point where I added the support frames. Don't worry, they are only sporadically distributed because I couldn't clamp to glue them any closer. I finished adding them, then added the covers to the front and rear of the canoe I added the little decorative strips to the top of the covers and clamped them with a magnet. I also added the gunwales to the sides. Looks pretty slick all sanded. I've also started working on my cherry flooring. That's it for my updates so far but I'll get some more up before I go to work later this week. Thanks for looking in! Jeronimo and capnharv2 2 Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted April 4, 2013 Share #20 Posted April 4, 2013 Looking good Sarah. I wish I hadn't bevel the planking at the stem initially but rather left it like you did it. That caused me some problems with thinning of the planks at the false keel line, but live and learn. I also noticed many plank edges need beveling to help make the curvature, but still got alot of clinkering (I didnt even know it was called that then). Its amazing what sand paper will do. Ive been scraping and sanding the Swift today and have it close to where I can start working the keel section for fitting of the false keel. I cant wait to see a side view of your canoe all sanded slick with all that wood variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #21 Posted April 4, 2013 Ok, I think I finished!!!! I didn't have a lot to do after what was in the last post. I started by installing the flooring that I showed you outside the canoe Oh, the dark edges are just fro where I used some instant set. Because of the slightly curved bottom I had trouble getting wood glue to stay (couldn't find an appropriate way of clamping...so I used some CA to tack it down. Then I installed the keel and sanded a little curved edge to it. I also installed the brace things and the strip around the front and back of the top of the canoe Then I got out my brand new Tung Oil... Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slagoon Posted April 4, 2013 Author Share #22 Posted April 4, 2013 What happened next was pure beauty.... Thanks for watching this build! You guys are great. I have my confidence back so I'll be working on the Harriet again now. Scott Crouse, Chuck and Jeronimo 3 Quote ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Sarah Current Build: Krabbenkutter CUX-87 Harriet Lane Fishcutter GO-38 In the Wings: Corel Victory Cross section Completed Build: USS Missouri HMS Bounty's Jolly Boat Peterboro Canoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted April 4, 2013 Share #23 Posted April 4, 2013 Well done Sarah. She's a great little boat. Finish is spectacular. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted April 4, 2013 Share #24 Posted April 4, 2013 I agree...wonderful model. Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john46 Posted April 4, 2013 Share #25 Posted April 4, 2013 Wow, that was going fast. Great job. Regards, John Quote <span style='font-family: courier new'>In progress: <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/177-king-of-the-mississippi-artesania-latina-scale-180/'>King of the Mississippi</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Completed : <a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/176-mare-nostrum-4331-artesania-latina-scale-135/'>Mare Nostrum 4331</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/51-16th-century-galeass-imai-scale-1160/'>16th century Galeass</a></span><br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'><a class='bbc_url' href='http://members.upc.nl/carla.en.john/Modelbouw/Rocket.htm'>George Stephenson Rocket Locomotive</a></span><br /> <br /> <span style='font-family: courier new'>Next build : sl Louise</span> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted April 4, 2013 Share #26 Posted April 4, 2013 Sarah a nice finish on this fast build. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted April 4, 2013 Share #27 Posted April 4, 2013 Nice Work, Isn't it just amazing how that Tung Oil makes the wood come alive. I really like your added woods. So now back to munchkin rigging, huh. In reality, is the HL bigger than the peterboro? Be interesting to see them side by side for the HL's scale. Without the bowsprit they are probably about the same size.... and they both have paddles. Great job, Its a fun build. I'd recommend it for anyone. As a tutor for new builders or as a break for expereineced builders that just need a break. So are you going to build the kayak also Sarah, I know you mentioned preferring to Kayak somewhere. It should be another fun build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted April 4, 2013 Share #28 Posted April 4, 2013 Very nice. The Peterboroughs that I've seen are usually stained a bit darker (red cedar), but you're looks great as is. I've seen a few at the Toronto Boat Show over the years... Incidentally, the difference in the spelling of "Peterborough" is actually due to the railway. When tracks first made it to town, there was not enough room on the station signboard for the full name, so it was shortened to "Peterboro" Did they give you the decal for the small bow deck? I found this online http://store.wcha.org/Peterborough-Canoe-Decal.html Andy Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarero Posted April 4, 2013 Share #29 Posted April 4, 2013 I can tell everyone that having seen this completed first hand it is a thing of beauty. It will make a great addition to our collection of models to display! Quote -------------------------------In Progress Build:Robert E. Lee by Scientific a.k.a "The Bob"Completed Build: Swift 1805 by AL -Jared Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty Sea Dog Posted April 4, 2013 Share #30 Posted April 4, 2013 Wow! That looks really cool! Nice job. Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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