trippwj Posted June 1, 2013 Share #91 Posted June 1, 2013 Greetings, David! I am a late arrival here, but you are doing a great job on this one. Robbyn, Augie, Keith and (yes, even Sjors) are all giving you some great advice. Like Adrian said, for holding things when there is no hold like at the bow use rubber bands. As keith showed in his Swift log, it is amazing how you can adapt rubber bands to clamp strange shaped pieces! Quote WayneNeither should a ship rely on one small anchor, nor should life rest on a single hope.Epictetus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share #92 Posted June 1, 2013 Welcome to my learning corner Wayne. Ok so I wood glued my cracked bulwark and clamped it together... Thought a step ahead and put a piece of scrap paper on the glue side of the clamp so I do not glue the clamp to the ship. I will give this some time to dry and check the progress later maybe tomorrow. I think I'll give it the 24 dry time perhaps I will put in the fill pieces I've been putting off due to the mess I will make with those lol Shazmira 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share #93 Posted June 1, 2013 Ok spent a while cutting out some basswood filler pieces and glueing and holding them in. Have to get creative when trying to hold the pieces in so clothespins and rubber bands will hopefully hold them......that's all for now :) Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 1, 2013 Author Share #94 Posted June 1, 2013 Hopefully when it's time will not be too tough to shape (fair ) them and the rest. :) Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted June 1, 2013 Share #95 Posted June 1, 2013 Wow David, What are you thinking….better more then less? I hope it work out with the bulwarks! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 1, 2013 Share #96 Posted June 1, 2013 Who cares what it looks like, as long as those bands hold it where you want then all is good! Good luck with the fix David, and happy to see you didn't give up! DCIronfist 1 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 1, 2013 Share #97 Posted June 1, 2013 Looks like that'll hold her DCIronfist 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 2, 2013 Author Share #98 Posted June 2, 2013 Lol if one is good two is better lol :) Shazmira and augie 2 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 2, 2013 Share #99 Posted June 2, 2013 As still once again, brute force triumphs over reason. You're my kinda guy Can't wait to see how this repair works out. I'm betting on great! DCIronfist 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted June 4, 2013 Share #100 Posted June 4, 2013 I'm betting we'll never know its there Augie. Unlesss we read the log.... You'll find David that anything can be fixed, the hardest part sometimes is starting the repair/redo. You can never use too many rubber bands and I love using mast holes and dowels for making lever, especially for pulling a bow plank tight against the stem. Another handy tool is a box of various shaped blocks and wedges. Placed under the bands in the correct place can create just the right force in just the right place and direction. I've gotten to the point that I never uncap the glue syringe until I've worked out my clamping method. I've also sworn off CA, if at all possible. My reasoning is this...if the piece is correctly shaped it will require less clamping. Ive slowly learned that taking time to shape each piece really pays off. I dreaded my bulwarks, but in the end... tape and a couple of bands was all it took. Because I switched wood and spent the time to shape it. Also, never under-estimate the time you feel like your wasting staring at the ship and thinking. I've found thinking something over very well, to be one of the best tools on the bench. Ship building is very much a head game, I think thats one of the reasons it draws me like a moth to flame. There is always something new to think about. Also, go with your gut over instructions. You'll find your right more frequently then the instructions, especially if its an AL kit. Remember, it isn't a race and the first person done isn't necessarily the winner. Plus the slower you work the less $/hr this hobby costs, if you dont replace all the wood like I did, but even then, what I didnt use is lumberyard material for future builds. The Walnut left from my Swift is probably going into the lobster smack. So its all relative, at least that what Al keeps telling me. DCIronfist and augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share #101 Posted June 4, 2013 Ok so I got my missing pieces from Occre 10 belaying pins ( whatever those are) and my 5 strakes just in time for me to start that soon. They also sent a plaque with my name and the ship so now I have to finish lol :) Shazmira 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share #102 Posted June 4, 2013 The broken repair went well and no there is no evidence on either side of the cracks so I have to soak them and get them to the shape once more so hopefully this time I will not break the same or a different spot lol. Well going in prepared for it to snap so am ready lol. Shazmira 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 4, 2013 Share #103 Posted June 4, 2013 The repair is going to go just fine. But we need to work on your nautical vocabulary. Belaying pins are metal or wooden pins to which the running rigging is secured along the rails (or belaying pin racks) of the ship. There will also be belaying pins around the fife rails (near the bottom of the masts) which serve as addtional belaying pin racks. The mystery will be revealed as you proceed !! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted June 4, 2013 Share #104 Posted June 4, 2013 Good luck with the gluing. Just take your time and dont force. If it requires forcing it needs more shaping. Some pieces I'd soak and reshape 2-3 time before they were to my liking. Glad to hear the repair to the break worked. Augies right on the nautical terminology. Its amazing how as you build it, you must learn the terminology. Thats one of the great parts of building. here's a google pic page of belaying pins, basically they're used to to tie of running rigging. http://www.google.com/search?q=belaying+pin&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cCWuUbb3H5OMyAH3oICQCg&ved=0CEQQsAQ&biw=1165&bih=860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 4, 2013 Author Share #105 Posted June 4, 2013 Ok shaping these bulwarks are a royal pain in the @$$ Spent a lot more time trying to get them to shape no glue yet so we shall see........ Thanks for the explanations and patients Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadchemist Posted June 4, 2013 Share #106 Posted June 4, 2013 Just remember. The harder you work for it, the more you'll appreciate it in the end....and probably the more you'll learn also. DCIronfist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 4, 2013 Share #107 Posted June 4, 2013 Don't force them David...patience is the key and perhaps the hardest part of the hobby, at least in my mind. Looking forward to more pics, AFTER you have them done...I am betting no one will be able to tell at all that there was a break. Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted June 4, 2013 Share #108 Posted June 4, 2013 dont worry David . i can tell you are determined and together with patience thats is the most important in building pateintly waiting for the pics with OcCre you hope you have to ask them to send missing/damaged parts as you get the nice plaque (wish i had known that before i asked for my replacement parts through the hobby store instead of OcCre direct ) Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share #109 Posted June 5, 2013 Thanks again all will check on it tomorrow Hey Adriaan if you write Occre they will send you a plaque.... :) Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted June 5, 2013 Share #110 Posted June 5, 2013 hmm i might try that David thank you . is that a picture on the box as i dont see anythign about this on their website and i dont think i haev seen it on my box Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted June 5, 2013 Share #111 Posted June 5, 2013 Adriaan, It's not on the box. Most of the time when you send OcCre an e-mail with your home address you will received such name plate. Very nice gesture of them! Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrieke Posted June 5, 2013 Share #112 Posted June 5, 2013 I agree it shows they are customer focused and I will send them an email to see if I can get mine Quote Current builds : HMS Bounty, Constructo Pilar Next build : undecided On the Shelf : AL San Juan, Mamoli HMS Victory Builds on hold : Ochre Gorch Fock, Hachette/Amati Black Pearl Previous Builds Gallery : Virginia; King of Mississippi Previous Builds logs : AL King of Mississippi 1/80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share #113 Posted June 5, 2013 Adriaan, it was on the last page of my instructions so I thought I would pass it on. :) Adrieke 1 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 5, 2013 Author Share #114 Posted June 5, 2013 (edited) Ok I pulled the trigger and glued the bulwarks on today....will see what we have on Friday Edited June 5, 2013 by DCIronfist augie, Adrieke and Shazmira 3 Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share #115 Posted June 8, 2013 Ok a pic of the fixed bulwark and will be covered with strakes. So I lined the foredeck and the back piece Ok and I have a nice gap in the front where the plywood would not reach and looks like its going to be fun trying to get the foredeck to 3 mm below the bulwark...... Quote David First Build: Corsair Brigantine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted June 8, 2013 Share #116 Posted June 8, 2013 Great fix David! When you do the second planking, you don't see the crack anymore. When you take a look at my Corsair, you also can see that the for deck not fits. Just let your deck planking touch the bulwark and again, you don't see the difference. Good luck with it. DCIronfist 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 8, 2013 Share #117 Posted June 8, 2013 Sounds like Sjors has been down all the same paths. Be nice if he told you beforehand ---- but then there wouldn't be any fun DCIronfist 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted June 9, 2013 Share #118 Posted June 9, 2013 Augie, When I tell everything on forehand, I think David will change it before he get that problem…. It's good for his building skills when he found it out by himself But on the other hand….he can also read the log and find out Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted June 9, 2013 Share #119 Posted June 9, 2013 As usual, Sjors has things all calculated and figured out ! Sjors 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted June 9, 2013 Share #120 Posted June 9, 2013 The fix looks great David...see, nothing to get upset about at all, just an easy fix!! As for things not coming together, or fitting properly, welcome to the world of kit building But in all seriousness, it is just those little challenges that force us to overcome, adapt, and create innovative fixes. It is those things that make us better modelers. mobbsie, augie and DCIronfist 3 Quote Robbyn If you risk nothing, you risk everything! Current builds Syren (Model Shipways) version 2.0 AL San Francisco II Mordaunt (Euro Model) Completed Builds 18th Century Longboat designed by Chuck Passaro In the closet Battle Station Al Charles Morgan (1980s version) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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