Sjors Posted September 12, 2013 Share #211 Posted September 12, 2013 David, That is not bad at all ! I wish my attempt was that good ! Sanding and filling is the best. Very nice job ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 14, 2013 Author Share #212 Posted September 14, 2013 Thanks Robbyn gonna put the keel on after I sand the first plank layer down. I hope not to oversand Adriaan looks worse than it is I hope lol Thanks Sjors, not sure i believe you that it's better than yours.........yours really came out great, was an influence in me getting into this :) So more house projects and having to work a few days may set the sanding back a few days....but hope to be back at it soon All comments welcome :) Sjors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted September 14, 2013 Share #213 Posted September 14, 2013 She's looking good David, nice planking work. I'm not very familiar with Occre kits, but I would reckon it would be better to add the keel now to avoid any possible gaps in the second planking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 14, 2013 Share #214 Posted September 14, 2013 Hi David I have also built this one so if you need any pointers, feel free to ask! Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share #215 Posted September 15, 2013 Kieth I am going to tape down the sandpaper like you did when I do the keel thanks. Thanks Aldo I am going to put keel on after sanding first layer. Hello Adam and welcome to my build........I will take any advice you feel like like sharing lol . rdsaplala 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderpig Posted September 17, 2013 Share #216 Posted September 17, 2013 I agree with adding the keel plates before starting the second layer. I've done that with all my builds, and it works great! Adam DCIronfist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micklen32 Posted September 17, 2013 Share #217 Posted September 17, 2013 Hi David As you gave your time to visit me I thought I would have a look to see where you lived So I came over, found the back door open and wandered in I got a seat at the back as the place looks pretty full If I could just get Adriaan and Sjors to pass some popcorn and beer back to me I will settle in I have read through your log, agonised over your problems and cheered your successes As you can see I have built a few OcCre models Often I have looked at the instructions and thought "Do that NOW!!!!" or "Surely I should do that first" A particular point with the Endeavour was indeed the keel I was told to stick it on when all the planking was done I thought "But there's not a lot there to plank to, how am I going to get a nice finish" So I stuck it on after the first planking so I had something to plank squarely to Also just to add to the debate about glue, I use PVA wherever possible and only revert to CA medium or thick when absolutely necessary Thing is with PVA it reacts much less with stain or paint whereas CA just seems to react with everything and does not take kindly to gluing prestained wood Ok that's my bit for now I will just sit here at the back and keep an eye on things, although it does look as if you have gotten over your probs and are now doing very well Keep it up Mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share #218 Posted September 17, 2013 Welcome aboard Mick thanks for stopping by :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 21, 2013 Author Share #219 Posted September 21, 2013 No updates as I have been working 6 out of 9 days so far, and since I work 24 hour shifts at the firehouse, that has not left me a lot of time :) Micklen32 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micklen32 Posted September 21, 2013 Share #220 Posted September 21, 2013 No updates as I have been working 6 out of 9 days so far, and since I work 24 hour shifts at the firehouse, that has not left me a lot of time :) And we have to assume that taking the kit with you is not an option rdsaplala, Sjors and DCIronfist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 22, 2013 Author Share #221 Posted September 22, 2013 Lol yeah Mick we carry enough crap with us.....I can see it now me telling boss I can't go til I finish this part lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share #222 Posted September 27, 2013 Ok do some sanding of the first layer yesterday......... Second layer now has to be started........instructions say contact cement for the glue but I have wod glue or medium CA. I am looking for advice comments and/or all remarks....Thanks Adrieke and SkerryAmp 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted September 27, 2013 Share #223 Posted September 27, 2013 I might suggest you take a short break......I usually do this after a major sanding operation. Then, take one more look and decide if you want to spend a little more time filling/sanding. Keep 2 things in mind: Any irregularities in the flow of the hull planks at this point will only be accentuated during the second planking. Too much sanding and you'll actually sand through the first layer of planking. Once you make your decision to proceed. either glue will work. Wood glue, PVA, gives you more time to position your planks and cleans up easily with water or alcohol. It also sands out well. But it does take time to set. CA is fast but can be unforgiving and does NOT sand well so keep it under control. I actually use both....not trying to confuse you, just being honest. Whatever you decide, take your time and treat each plank as a mini project. DCIronfist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micklen32 Posted September 27, 2013 Share #224 Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) On the Endeavour I used contact adhesive for the first time and I found that worked very well indeed As Augie says there are problems with both PVA and CA I have to admit I tend to err towards the PVA as it is much easier to keep under control A mistake can be fairly easily cleaned up CA is, as Augie says, a pig to get rid of if it gets on a finished surface Firstly do as Augie says and take a close look at the hull and see if it does need a bit of sanding, filing, scraping in places Then I would advise giving contact adhesive a go Use a tube as a can will soon start going stiff with too much exposure to the air as it gets down the can a bit A very thin coat on the two surfaces Leave until tackiness goes, anything from 5 to 15 minutes, maybe even more Press together firmly and roll it if you have a small wallpaper roller or similar Failing that find a smooth rounded edge of something, knife handle etc, and rub over it to settle it perfectly It bonds very well but does give you a chance for minor adjustment, also being by far the cleanest of the three as if you are careful it only goes where you put it and as there is no liquid there is nothing to squidge out But as Augie says, using PVA as the main glue and just a spot or two of CA to hold the plank in place as the PVA goes off is a fair way of proceeding Have a play with the glues, see which you prefer The big negative about using purely CA is that it dries very hard and brittle with no give I hope that helps a bit David Good luck P.S. What Augie says last of all is vitally important Whatever you decide, take your time and treat each plank as a mini project. Edited September 27, 2013 by Micklen32 augie and DCIronfist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share #225 Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Working again but will look at it closer when I get home.........I have to cut gun ports and put keel parts on before second plank also. Thanks for advice :) Edited September 29, 2013 by DCIronfist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted September 29, 2013 Share #226 Posted September 29, 2013 She's looking good David, looking forward to the second planking, perhaps you could use a very small amount of CA for the tip of the plank to get it to bite initially then use PVA for the rest of the plank augie and DCIronfist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted September 29, 2013 Share #227 Posted September 29, 2013 Coming along nicely David!!! -Adam DCIronfist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share #228 Posted October 4, 2013 Ok so cut out the gun ports ( harder than I thought) painted them black on the inside......added the keel...........and lined the stern galleries.......I did get some bleed through wth the paint any ideas to make it look better? My wife says leave and I'm trying o be too perfect with it........thanks for looking SkerryAmp, Adrieke and augie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted October 4, 2013 Share #229 Posted October 4, 2013 Hi David, Nice progress ! And then for the bleed. For the outside it doesn't matter because you have to plank over it. For the inner side of the bulwark…get some thin planking, a little darker or the same colour as the hull, and plank the bulwark ! Then you don't see a thing anymore. DCIronfist and Micklen32 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share #230 Posted October 4, 2013 Thanks Sjors. Will give that a try ...... Can always count on your experience to come through for me:) :) Sjors and augie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted October 5, 2013 Share #231 Posted October 5, 2013 If the paint is acrylic you can sometimes clean it up a bit with a q-tip and a little bit of alcohol and a light sand. If not - Sjors is the man! Dead on... and nice job!!! -Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdsaplala Posted October 5, 2013 Share #232 Posted October 5, 2013 Nice work on the gunports, David, I concur with Sjors, the additional planking should cover up any bleed. Sjors and Micklen32 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micklen32 Posted October 5, 2013 Share #233 Posted October 5, 2013 I agree with Sjors as well David That's a good way to do it The gun ports look great The build is coming along very nicely Sjors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 5, 2013 Share #234 Posted October 5, 2013 ...and I know where you can get some larger clamps Sjors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazmira Posted October 5, 2013 Share #235 Posted October 5, 2013 The bleed through is common, any of the above fixes should do the job for you. Build is progressing well David, the fun stuff is coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCIronfist Posted October 9, 2013 Author Share #236 Posted October 9, 2013 Bad news........it seems my wife suspects this build is the reason to a reaction she had.....gonna take time off and try to eliminate the problem. If not it may not be good news for finishing........it may be some time before I have an update......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkerryAmp Posted October 9, 2013 Share #237 Posted October 9, 2013 Sorry to heaer that Dave, I know some paints and solvents can have wicked effects on some people - so it can be harsh, especially during winter when ventilation gets scarce. Good luck to you both, hope the reaction is to something easy like that to take care of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted October 9, 2013 Share #238 Posted October 9, 2013 Really sorry to hear that David. Probably either CA fumes or sanding dust. Hope you two can work it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micklen32 Posted October 10, 2013 Share #239 Posted October 10, 2013 What a great shame for you both David I hope you do get it sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted October 10, 2013 Share #240 Posted October 10, 2013 From us the same David….. Take care of your self and the Admiral. Anja & Sjors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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