Salty Sea Dog Posted January 15, 2014 Share #691 Posted January 15, 2014 The new signature pic is gorgeous! Nice eye candy! NAZGÛL 1 Quote -Buck Current build: AL Morgan's Whaleboat (1st build) Kits in the ships locker: I cannot confirm nor deny that there may be a few kits in there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #692 Posted January 15, 2014 Thanks Buck, glad you like it! Hi MattiJust checking in looking for an up date but it looks like I am a bit to early. Just for fun could you please translate, Enjoy.Regards Lawrence Working on the vertical planks below the beakhead. I'm trying to make my own construction so it takes a little time to work it out. I will also have to stain it and then weather it to make it uniform with the rest of the ship. Sorry, I should have translated: Mike said jättebra (Very good) and I replied Tack så mycket (Thank you very much). /Matti canoe21 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #693 Posted January 15, 2014 Cheers Lawrence! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #694 Posted January 16, 2014 Hey everyone! I finished the scratched parts mentioned earlier. First pictures from the museum: And how mine turned out: The planks are stained with the same mix as the rest of the hull. Then lighter and darker washes to give it depht and make the planks slightly different from eachother. Finally drybrushing a little green and finally lightgray. /Matti NMBROOK, marktiedens, Salty Sea Dog and 2 others 5 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 16, 2014 Share #695 Posted January 16, 2014 I cant believe what I'm seeing here Matti, that's fantastic, very well done. Be Good mobbsie NAZGÛL 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 16, 2014 Share #696 Posted January 16, 2014 I am with Mobbsie on this one Matti,the first picture is mind boggling!!Simply perfection.I will be interested when you get to to that stage,what techniques you employ to make the rigging look like rope.I would think of buying Chuck's rope or possibly a ropewalk.This model is simply beyond normal thread!Totally outstanding work mate! Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL and Salty Sea Dog 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 16, 2014 Share #697 Posted January 16, 2014 Beautiful work! -Bug NAZGÛL 1 Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Vanguard Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #698 Posted January 16, 2014 Thanks mobbsie, Nigel and Bug! I'm clueless when it comes to rigging and have to dig into whats what. Threads and fabric is all new to me. Good thing is that I'm pretty sure I know what look I want. /Matti NMBROOK and canoe21 2 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 16, 2014 Share #699 Posted January 16, 2014 Are you thinking of going for sails Matti?I remember when I made the Mary Ann with my father many years ago,we made them with the Billing's cloth and coloured them by soaking in very weak tea.This worked really well Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share #700 Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Yeah, that's what I'd like, at least if I can get them realistic looking. I'll look into how you experienced folk do it. Frank's build has great looking sails so I'll try and see what he did. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/133-hmat-supply-by-riverboat-jotikacaldercraft-164th-scale/page-9# /Matti Edited January 16, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share #701 Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) Yeah, sails look great. I need to learn how to weather fabric and shape them nicely. I think it's easy to lose scale and realism with them. /Matti Edited January 17, 2014 by NAZGÛL DaveG 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share #702 Posted January 20, 2014 Hi, did some work on kranbalkarna. Also started on the front railing. BB based their railing on the Landström book, wich has a shield and is built straight. The original has no shield and is built with a curve. I will try to build mine like the original. First reference I took at the museum: And then my model. I dryfitted the railing base, so it sits a little out of position. /Matti DesertWolf, mtaylor, canoe21 and 5 others 8 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted January 20, 2014 Share #703 Posted January 20, 2014 Matti, Very impressive! You should talk to the curators at the museum, and let them know but also show them pictures of your build. You may be able to get a little more "specific and private tour". Remembering back in the 70's when you were allowed to be onboard Wasa, walking on the true lower decks. But that's a long time ago. mtaylor and NAZGÛL 2 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share #704 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Cheers! Yeah they are truly great at the museum. I'd love to enter the real ship, but it's only few who get that chance. Considering how hard it is to make her survive it's a good thing though. /Matti Edited January 20, 2014 by NAZGÛL Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbug Posted January 20, 2014 Share #705 Posted January 20, 2014 Nice work Matti. I envy the opportunity to do a build where you have access to the real thing. - Bug NAZGÛL 1 Quote - Bug Current Build: HMS Pegasus - Vanguard Models Completed Builds - Augie's USF Confederacy AL Santa Maria - Heavily Bashed AL San Juan Nepomuceno AL Swift Pilot Boat Cris Craft AL Stagecoach Ship Blog - The Lehman Shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share #706 Posted January 20, 2014 Thanks Bug, it's nice to be able to look at the real thing. Both for inspiration but also to learn how these ships were constructed. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share #707 Posted January 22, 2014 Cheers Lawrence!, Painting sculptures again, but soon I will have painted all of them. /Matti canoe21 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 23, 2014 Share #708 Posted January 23, 2014 Great work buddy!!The prow area is coming together very nicely indeed.May I suggest some thin black card for your door hinges as anything thicker is going to spoil the magnificent scale fidelity you have attained throughout this build. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share #709 Posted January 23, 2014 Cheers mates! Lawrence, Ive started to try and read up how you guys do the rigging. Nigel, thanks for the advice! I know its incorrect but Ive grown found of the look of the doors on the 1:10 model and they are without hinges, so I will leave them out. I'm guessing the modelmakers didnt add them as they don't know how they looked, like the lantern perhaps. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted January 23, 2014 Share #710 Posted January 23, 2014 Hi Matte, I take it the sculptures your working on are for the front rail, if so you have some very intricate work on your hands and I wish you the very best of luck with them. With each new addition she becomes more impressive and a real pleasure to view. I hope you have as much pleasure working on her as we do watching her. Be Good mobbsie NAZGÛL and Salty Sea Dog 2 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 23, 2014 Share #711 Posted January 23, 2014 Hi Matti I would be inclined to agree with you,studying your pictures of the original,there is insufficient evidence to even suggest whether they open in or out.Either way is possible,but either way is awkward due to the incline the hinges would be on.If they did open inward there would necessarily anything visible other than possible through bolting of the hinge plate from the inside. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 23, 2014 Author Share #712 Posted January 23, 2014 Cheers mobbsie! Ya its those sculptures. The painting is fun but the challenge is to make the railing construction strong enough. I think it will work out once the sculptures are in place. Nigel, I think they would open outwards.The hinges where on the outside; I'm pretty sure I remember Fred Hocker stating that. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktiedens Posted January 25, 2014 Share #713 Posted January 25, 2014 I noticed on a previous post you mentioned a shield on the front rail.My kit came with this casting.I painted it but never installed it.Still have not decided whether to put it on or just leave it off.Any opinions are welcome.Nice work by the way. Mark NMBROOK and NAZGÛL 2 Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share #714 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Yeah, I have that shield in my kit also. I think its another Landström heritage from how they guessed it would look in the eighties, before they had managed to reconstruct her. He also drew a straight railing. Here is what Landströms says in his book (my translation): "In paintings and drawings by de Welde Sr and Jr, there's often a heraldic shield in the mittle of "ballustraden" [...] In his instructions for the navy written in 1649, Herman Fleming writes: At the front there shall be a shield for a musket. It shall have two door from where you walk to the beakhead." The Herman Fleming part is written in 1600 swedish so it's hard to understand if its a protection while shooting a musket, or if it should stand shots from a musket. Landström then continues: "We can imagine the crowned wasa shield held by two very young nereids (remember we have the face of one of them!) [...] The shield can open as a double door" And here is how Landström imagined it would look: /Matti Edited January 25, 2014 by NAZGÛL Salty Sea Dog 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share #715 Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Hey all, I now finished the railing/balustrad. There are some interesting differences between Landström, the 1:10 and the real ship. The Landström version is in the previous post. Here is the 1:10 with likeness of the setup of the herms like Landström, 8 of them. Its also pretty straight and not very curved: And here is the real ship with a different setup, leaving a space at the edges so the crew can walk there easyer. It also have spacers between the kranbalkarna/catheads and the railing. It has spacers and It's also very curved: And finally here's my result. I tried to make my railing like the real ship. It didnt allow me to do the spacers though as it would have ended up way to high. /Matti Edit: Just checked the plans sold at the museum and that railing is also different to the above versions. It has ten herms and sits pretty tight. Edited January 25, 2014 by NAZGÛL CaptainSteve, marktiedens, Senior ole salt and 6 others 9 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted January 25, 2014 Share #716 Posted January 25, 2014 Your photography really shows off the graceful curves of this vessel really well. And the rail you've built only adds to the overall effect. Nicely done! Andy NAZGÛL 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted January 25, 2014 Share #717 Posted January 25, 2014 Hi Matti, can you share us that detail from the drawings Thanks NAZGÛL 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 25, 2014 Author Share #718 Posted January 25, 2014 Cheers Andy and Lawrence! Im getting cloe to have painted 300 sculptures. I guess it will end up around 350. Jan, I'll take a picture of it later. Like I said, it looks likt the 1:10 oly with more herms sitting tighter. I think its best to look at the original to get the curve right. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbuilder101 Posted January 25, 2014 Share #719 Posted January 25, 2014 Wow! All that detail is resulting in a beautiful ship! Quote Sherry Every goodbye is the birth of a memory... Current Build: San Felipe Finished Builds: Mayflower Build Log Gallery: Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanV Posted January 25, 2014 Share #720 Posted January 25, 2014 At this time I will use the original as guide. thanks Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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