NAZGÛL Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #811 Posted February 24, 2014 Thanks Sherry! I'm having difficultys deciding what step to do next so I have to think the final steps before rigging through. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye2sea Posted February 25, 2014 Share #812 Posted February 25, 2014 Wow. Simply amazing. Great build and great photos. NAZGÛL 1 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share #813 Posted February 25, 2014 Thanks Henry! I just went through your Soeil build. Impressive stuff going on there! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share #814 Posted February 27, 2014 Small update. Did the small round sculptures at the stern. They aren't included in the kit so I had to scratch them. First one on the 1:10 model at the museum: And here are mine: The flower pattern is simplified, but was the best I could do at this scale. /Matti mtaylor, CaptainSteve, hexnut and 8 others 11 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastrząb Posted February 27, 2014 Share #815 Posted February 27, 2014 It is very good. This scale is difficult to do all the details we want to... NAZGÛL 1 Quote Paweł Current build: HMS Pandora: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3409-hms-pandora-by-jastrz%C4%85b-constructo-185/ Finished projects: Roar Ege 1:25, Billing Boats Albatros 1:55, Constructo Santa Maria 1:50, Mantua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share #816 Posted February 27, 2014 Thanks and agreed. I feel that sometimes lesser details look better at a smaller scale also. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 27, 2014 Share #817 Posted February 27, 2014 They look great buddy!! I think sometimes it is better to think what not to include on a model rather than produce something overscale. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 27, 2014 Author Share #818 Posted February 27, 2014 Cheers mate! I've been thinking about adding nails the same way. /Matti NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 27, 2014 Share #819 Posted February 27, 2014 Hi Matti I think a lot depends on what they work out at scale size.On my Sovereign build they were 35-40mm on the original so I represented them at 0.4mm.The only thing that would concern me,although you have done far more research on this ship than I have,would be how many of the fixings present now are original.It does look like many have been added since she was raised in order to stablize the hull. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted February 28, 2014 Share #820 Posted February 28, 2014 Realy nice Matti, I also saw that little sculptures at the stern in the pictures of the Vasa museum. I will try to do them, but depending how they come out I will put them on the model or not. Saludos!! NAZGÛL 1 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share #821 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Hi Matti I think a lot depends on what they work out at scale size.On my Sovereign build they were 35-40mm on the original so I represented them at 0.4mm.The only thing that would concern me,although you have done far more research on this ship than I have,would be how many of the fixings present now are original.It does look like many have been added since she was raised in order to stablize the hull. Kind Regards Nigel I'm on the fence about nailsas I'm afraid to make it look like a tank. I can see logic in leaving them out like Clayton did. I think there's information about the original nails position. Alexander's scratch Vasa looks really great and realistic with nails, but in 1:75 it would be a challenge to get his fantastic results. I'm thinking it may be best to leave them out as I have no experience with them and focus on the painting on this build. Something to think about. /Matti Edited February 28, 2014 by NAZGÛL NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted February 28, 2014 Share #822 Posted February 28, 2014 I'm on the fence about nailsas I'm afraid to make it look like a tank. I can see logic in leaving them out like Clayton did. I think there's information about the original nails position. Alexander's scratch Vasa looks really great and realistic with nails, but in 1:75 it would be a challenge to get his fantastic results. Yes I can understand that mate,you know what they say,if in doubt,don't do it Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL and Karleop 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share #823 Posted February 28, 2014 Thanks Karleop, you get great reference for size and position in Fred Hocker's Vasa book. As a scratcher I got the habit of collecting parts when I can, and I had round pieces of wood with the size and basic shape lying around. /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share #824 Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Yes I can understand that mate,you know what they say,if in doubt,don't do it Kind Regards Nigel I actually was about to start it earlier and then started to think of all the time it took to paint the hull, so I chickened out. /Matti Edited February 28, 2014 by NAZGÛL NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #825 Posted March 1, 2014 Hey all, one of the things I've been wanting to do for a while are the big flag. The ones included in the kit are silk but only printed on one side. They are pretty good shapewise but I wanted to make my own based on the oldest three tounged swedish flag that has survived. It's from the battle at Öresund 1658. Im basing mine on a drawing in the Landström book. After painting it I shaped it with the beer can method I learned from mtaylor. Cheers Mark it worked great, thanks Nigel also for pointing me to dennis pinks thread where it's described! It was nice not to get good controle of the shaping and then not having to worry about destroying the shape while the dilluted white glue dries. Here are pics: /Matti Salty Sea Dog, Ulises Victoria, CaptainSteve and 7 others 10 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted March 1, 2014 Share #826 Posted March 1, 2014 That looks fabulous mate!!!Once again you have demonstrated your ability to 'pull something out of the hat' in an area you have no previous experience in!.I would allay any fears you have over rigging my friend,I am sure will excel in that,like you have in the other areas of your build. Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 1, 2014 Share #827 Posted March 1, 2014 Hi Matti, Wow, that flag is something else, I think flags are one of the most difficult aspects of decoration, it's so hard to get them to hang properly. You have conquered that problem and it looks very impressive mate, very well done. Stern decorations are also superb, keep it up mate. Be Good mobbsie Sent from my iPhone NAZGÛL 1 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #828 Posted March 1, 2014 (edited) Thank you Nigel and mobbsie, your comments are most appreciated! Nigel, your pointers and tips have helped me alot so cheers for that. Mobbsie, I also think flags are hard to get right. I'm still more afraid of getting the sails to look realistic. /Matti Edited March 1, 2014 by NAZGÛL NMBROOK 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted March 1, 2014 Share #829 Posted March 1, 2014 Hi Matti, I used to make flags (specially the complicated ones) with a ink jet computer printer (over cloth not paper) but always is a problem to shape them in a convincing form. Can you give me the specific thread of mtaylor where you got this method, its outstanding!! Very nice work!! Karl NAZGÛL 1 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #830 Posted March 1, 2014 Cheers Karl! The discussion is in Denis pinks sovereign thread. What I did in short: I used the drawing in Landstroms Vasa book and scaled it to my model. Then I cut and painted it in acrylic colors I mixed to get the look I wanted. This had no details so it worked well. When the flag is done, cut open a beer can and cut a piece like the flag. Shape the aluminum to the shape you want. Mix white glue with water, the mix should be white and slightly thicker then water in consistense. Then soak the flag in it for a minute or two. Place it on the aluminum shape and let it dry. Remove the flag when dried and if there are glossy spots where the flag laid against the aluminum, paint them with flat varnish. Done. /Matti riverboat 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted March 1, 2014 Share #831 Posted March 1, 2014 Hi Matti, I have not looked in on your build in a while, just catching up. Nice updates. Cannons,and flags look nice. Michael NAZGÛL 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karleop Posted March 1, 2014 Share #832 Posted March 1, 2014 Thanks for the tips Matti, I already see the Denis thread but your explanation is very clear and apparently without much problem. Gracias!! NAZGÛL 1 Quote Finished Models (Gallery): Pandora (Constructo), HMS Endeavour (AL), San FranciscoII (AL), Fishing boat (scratch), Vasa (Billing Boats) Construction logs: Vasa (Billing Boats) Pride of Baltimore II (M. Shipways) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share #833 Posted March 1, 2014 Thanks Michael and glad if I could be of any help Karl! /Matti Karleop 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #834 Posted March 2, 2014 Thank you Lawrence, looking forward to see what you do with your flags buddy. I've been working on the main flag staff, trying to get it the way I want: I can put it on the ship, but will not glue it stuck until later in the build: /Matti mtaylor, Vivian Galad, marktiedens and 15 others 18 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulises Victoria Posted March 2, 2014 Share #835 Posted March 2, 2014 Excellent Matti. Your flag looks so realistic. Flags will be the last item in my build, and I have had nightmares about that step. NAZGÛL 1 Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #836 Posted March 2, 2014 Cheers Ulisses, I really enjoyed doing the flag and staff as you get controle and can get it the way you want. My nightmares concern the rigging instead. /Matti Ulises Victoria 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted March 2, 2014 Share #837 Posted March 2, 2014 That looks simply stunning Matti Like the rest of your build,it just looks real! Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #838 Posted March 2, 2014 Thank mate, means alot! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobbsie Posted March 2, 2014 Share #839 Posted March 2, 2014 Hey Matti, you don't have to worry mate, with the skills you've displayed so far the rigging is going to be a walk in the park. You just have to remember " One line at a time". Be Good mobbsie Ulises Victoria, NAZGÛL and NMBROOK 3 Quote mobbsie All mistakes are deliberate ( me ) Current Build:- HMS Schooner Pickle Completed Builds :- Panart 1/16 Armed Launch / Pinnace ( Completed ), Granado Cross Section 1/48 Harwich Bawley, Restoration, Thames Barge Edme, Repair / Restoration, Will Everard 1/67 Billings HMS Agamemnon 1781 - 1/64 Caldercraft Kit, HM Brig Badger, HM Bomb Vessel Granado, Thames Steam Launch Louise, Thames Barge Edme, Viking Dragon Boat Next Build :- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted March 2, 2014 Author Share #840 Posted March 2, 2014 Thanks mate, so far I've felt that I had some idea what to do, but the rigging means so many new steps, it feels like starting a new model. I still have lots of cannons and gunports to take care of first. Thanks for letting the likes everyone! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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