DE ROODE BUL by Heinrich der Seefahrer - Revell - PLASTIC - modification of JOLLY ROGER kit project

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Hello friends, 

 

the young lady safing my life* will have birthday in 2 1/2weeks!!! So I picked the old WaltDisney JOLLY ROGER** pirate ship out of my pile of kits. Due to the sentence as she says if she thinks about me she remembers ships... 

So I do remember the nearly funny film (I was allways a sceptical guy even with Walts' productions at childhood - did I have had this illness?) and the

JOLLY ROGER pirate ship (very first Revell kit box I can remember - Monogram is the P-61 Black Widow - Heller is the huge SR-box) the 1/72 scale I wouldn't take too serious.

 

As I don't know if the young lady likes the film or the infantile application of a dutch warship I am going to re-historical it a bit in colour and appearence. So the sails were de-colourfulled, the pseudo-funny skull figurehead will be replaced and the big skull on the transon will be exchanged against something semihistoric*** Dutch. I think about a typical oilpainting: The "RED BULL" - Dutch seems to be "DE ROODE BUL"**** as on the historical Dutch ship BULL but coloured in Revell matt 86 (personally called "foxred" - as used for horses in tabletop).

The rest is quite fine with the kit - there has only to be made some little changes in the colouring towards BATAVIA as a source of ideas. And there will be a bit of additional detail work. And perchance I am going to open tje state rooms windows giving a inner part into the kit. But I am affraid about reclosing the windows again - and running out time!

But certainly the "glowing in the dark" paint will rest on the shelf. The result I aim for is a "positive carricature" of a Dutch sailingship. 

 

 

At the  begin I want to say thank you to @Ab HovingAbHoving for his articles about his wwounderfull small Jacht as the initial giving idea what to build!

 

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*by sending me in to the emergency as as a nurse she recognized it was a stroke.

** https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-h-377-jolly-roger--163552

*** analog to "semiscale"

**** ...working in a Dutch company the only Dutch native speaker I know is our CEO. 

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

The ship with the bull on the couronnaments name is

WAPEN VAN EDAM 1644 and it fits quite well to

JOLLY ROGER.

The front view is less easy to compare

 

Van der Velde versus

 

FLYING DUTCHMAN glowing in the dark...

But VdV wins by more details!

[amateur]

But the detailed vdv is not the wapen van edam, but a larger ship (zeven provincien?)

Actually, Edam has a black bull, not a red one

 

Jan

Edited August 19, 2019 by amateur

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Thanks Jan,

 

but for bashing that 1969 Revell kit up to a real WAPEN VAN EDAM all Dutch shiplovers will be right to crucify my a.s.a.p.  .* 

 

So the JOLLY ROGER is a kind of a sketch of a Dutch frigat and Itry to scratch off the Disney nonsense. Getting a cuddly Dutch fregat out of the kit. So thanks for your help I can put an original red(brown) bull into the couronnament. Thanks for the wounderful support that helps very much.

The wraith portotype  I will copy from L'AURORE details. Or taking the encirlement around the name from L'AURORE directly. 

 

Hopefully I can bring the decor around the bull on the transom...

 

We will see.

 

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*The next Heller SR-hull will be LE TERRIBLE - but I think about a swifting towards a well documented Dutch ship as the VdV-drawings are full of remakable details. But the SAINT PHILIPPE is in the yard and only a small space is empty for RED BULL... I will have to search for a fifth Heller hull. But is that something brainless thing to do? All the French shipbuilding routs in Dutch and Danish built ships that were copied and altered later on step by step - but the alterations are more and more.

 

Edited August 19, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Thinking about buying the fifth SR-kit.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Here the Bulls' details... 

The run of the windows is quite similar at the

out of production and outdated Revell - and not very nice painted kit.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Step N°1 - As the black plastic is not ideal fotfor my bad eyesight to catch any details so 

I sprayed it with grey primer. Now I  an see if my work to egalisize the

couronnament was successfully done. The writing under the windows must disappear in a unique step in the working progress. Ihave to open the aft gunports and to add gun barrels and lids.

 

During the drying of the prime I can clean up the admirals stair case

 

before it is sprayed golden...

...and after without any ink and drybrushing.

 

All these are good exercises for SAINT PHILIPPE and so todays work ends.

Edited August 19, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Added picture and closing the shipyard.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Certainly I wasn't able to fall asleep as the Dutch Frigates and the hullsides does match and doesn't. What makes the kit looking so Dutch and what is wrong? Let's have some comparing. Here some typical prototypes from the XVII.century

DE ZWARTE PAREL, vdV

 

ADSPETEREN Dutch Fregat 1665, vdV

 

Here a 1666 britisch Frigate for comparison

DE LOYAL GEORGE 1666, ,vdV - taken by the Dutch. Also with wales not so prominent but still there. The after part doesn't rise as the Dutch do - and so the kit looks like a Dutch frigate.

 

As you can see the wales are undersized by Revell and rounded compared with  the drawings - and single instead of a pair of two bars. 

 

So I ordered 1x1mm Evergreen polystyrol to inmitate the wales this night.

 

That's all, folks!

 

In the XVII.century allways parallel to the planking as the planks had to fit between

the before fitted wales on the original! (Both drawings from Mondfeld "Shipbuilding in the XVIIth century".)

 

Also the twodeckers show the same solide wales.

The breakhead bulkhead is diffrend at the vdV drawing

from the kit - what is complete rubbish and will not throw it away. It will be sanded seriously down so I can restart with planks, bars and wales closer to the original pattern. So there is a plenty to do - also further towards the figurehead! 

Edited August 20, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Added picture

[amateur]

Your main concern to get it more Dutch willbe the side-galleries.

These should be pleasing to the eye, go with the flow of the wales, and show curves, instead of this boxy revell thing.....

 

Jan

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

4 hours ago, amateur said:

Your main concern to get it more Dutch willbe the side-galleries.

These should be pleasing to the eye, go with the flow of the wales, and show curves, instead of this boxy revell thing.....

 

Jan

Thank you very much for the advise, Jan!

 

I.

That is suddenly so clear what  has to be done - laying in bright sunlight what is wrong...

...I have been on a short hunt for pictures in my break and figured a bit of details out.

 

One question, Jan, @amateur the clinker planking on the hulls upper sides isn't green as on BATAVIA it is red! Is this a distinguishing difference between VOC and 7Admitalitys ships or are the paintings both simply noncontemporary and by this wrong like many XIXth century history paintings?

 

 So I will cut out a ships name printed simply on a slip of thick paper, than painted in clear matt - bending the ends a bit and it looks like a craving .

...your help really made my day! At home I have to look for the plans of the Peller model and the "Der holländische Zweidecker" book from Höckel also the "Modellbau von Schiffen des XVII.Jahrhunderts" and "Risse von Schiffen des XVII.Jahrhunderts". So there should be plans of some Dutchlike Brandenburgian man-o-war floating around in my plan drawers in the bureau tableau.

Here an English design but a wonderful made and fine detailled drawing... 

Perchance I can add a lot of flourishs and curlicues from magic sculp and other stuff.

 

II.

Also I ordered a cattle set from railwaymodelling to catch a bull - so I can sand it down to 4/5 of its breadth, paint it and glue it onto the upper transom on a some intersting flourish decored pedestral - "...and Bob is your uncle!"*

 

By this I hope to give her a more noble touch - also by adding a pair of archers as transom to sidegallery figures (old 15mm tabletopfigure). Also the figure head will come from the cattle set (deheading a, cow). But if it looks too small I'll have to buy some in HO or 4mm scale in thethe railway modeling shop in the city.

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*Terry Pratchett - an old old dwarfs saying.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Added question

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Here on the very right the

RED BULL unpainted and also the figure head is hidden somewhere in here.

What cow do you estimate made the race to this prominent position?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The laying cow in the middle is choosen partly as figure head(front not aft!!!). Hoping the neck does fit to the stem.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

 

B.t.w. due to his picture of the ship names banner:

 

What is RED BULL called in contemporaty old Dutch?

Edited August 20, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Resizing my bad English

[amateur]

you could use

'De Roode Stier'

but also  'De Roode Os'  (Os translates as Oxen, but you already guessed that)

or 'De Roode Bul' (yup, you guessed it)

 

Actually, there was a VOC-ship named 'Zwarte Bul' , and one named 'Os' (I also found a Cow in the listing).

Couldn't find any references to 'Stier'.

That makes 'Roode Bul' the most adequate.

 

Jan

 

 

 

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

20 hours ago, amateur said:

 

(...) 'De Roode Bul' (...)

Thanks a lot, Jan! So that changes the hole title, too...

 

The discussion of Oxen and "Stier" isn't for children so we avoided this.

Edited August 21, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Keep it in the motion picture content rating system

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Hello the planning goes on.

I compared the DE ROODE BUL with the 70gun Dutch two tier ship of 1660/70 by Heinrich Winter. 

Cetenty the Frigate is smaller but the changes to be done are obviously.

The frontpart needs some changes.

 

It is totaly clear to my point of view that here ist the most to be done.

Here the situation with the bull as artistic part of the transom.

 

Perchance I should change from H0 to TT scale - but as it has a bit of a caricature it looks funny - what do you think?

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Here the Evergreen stripes I tryed out to imitate the wales not being cast onto the hull.

No boring you with the contest I present the winner!

0.40"x0.40" / 1,00x1,00mm!!!

 

As you can easily see from the primer freed lines of the planks the rest will be some nerv devastating measuring and cutting.

I think about using CAglue to avoid the clamps to fix the wales.

 

But the Evergreen part fit smooth and easily to the hull - so my highpriced invest has its return. And the testing here is sucsessfull the torsion through the hulls thumblehome form is taken by the material.

 

I would never have got the nerves to try this out on a $150 Heller hull of the SOLEIL ROYAL kit.

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

The upper wales must be risen over the main number of gunports - the work will be the same due to the lids as the interrupters. The idea of sanding away the lids and renewing the planking is still there. But I may risk the stability of the hull. 

 

I will open the aft gunports.

[amateur]

How many days you have to complete the work?

Jan

Edited August 24, 2019 by amateur

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Jan,till mid September. Than the birthday "kid" is back home, so I think I,ll be ready in time. If I don't too much extra stuff...

 

 

...too much on a baroque ship😂😵😄

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Smilies added

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Great step in the direction of some progress 2nd wale on its place.

The lids are a problem to be solved.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

All the wales at place:

Not really great art but the best

I could mine out of the kit.

 

Edit...

The model yard is closing for tonight - this is the status quo for portside (also starboard) and the transom. The bull is not fixed yet. 

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Last progress shown.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Doubeling the skids, this evening - I learned my lesson the rocky way!

 

The stupid way

 

...learned by doing it worng

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

And some little steps later we have got further details...

 

...nothing astonishing, but progress. I am still in work on the bulkheads detailing -

thinking about typical Dutch clinker planking.

But on the bulkhead breakhead I cant get any ide how to get a

curved profile corresponding to

 

the prototypes in vdV pictures

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

 

 

...the clinker build is really a

technic I am a stupid newby in.

It is a complex to cut and build but beautiful to look on thing.

Here is the next bulkhead. 

 

Model us yard closed for this night.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Last picture added.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Very last step...

glueing the hull together sticked on the pair of tweezers. I am not really happy about this very last act. In particular due to the narrow keel where the cramps hadn't any grip. I think about adding a bit more keel to the hull later on.

Edited August 26, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Added better picture.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Hello,

here the result with the goods and malus...

And the added parts on the hulls outside.

 

And the clinkered bulkheads

 

And what didn't work are the

on both sides

gaps at the back deck and the inner transom.

The "shortcomings" of the deck.

 

 

I want to close these gaps this night - I hope my technique of CA-glue to fix and plasticglue to weld the plastic parts.

and the backdecks entrance - without any stairs towards the deck and the foremast. 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Both my projects (and the L'AURORE  scaled down hull plan )...

 

side by side for the photo shooting...

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

This morning only some primer was added - little steps foreward make a walk.

Next step: side galleries roof has to be rounded by adding some sanded balsa wood pices and little pearls in a row to give a more baroque impression.

 

Memo to myself:

Do not forget the prominent nailing marks to add.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Added picture

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Due to the hot weather I only cut the roof parts out of a stripe of 2mm balsa wood - nothing else - without drinking cold water. 

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

Nothing very spectacular only a simple children's collier...  

The first step is done...

Only a simple row of balls alled by some cheap  childrens glas bread - glued by CA and filled with a drop of CAglue to fill the drill hole.

Some were used as hand knob on the bulkwalk,

some to "artificete" the back deck.

the galion has also been refined by some glas bread. 

The clinker wood is usually the side cut of a tree - without bark but the cheapest wood.

Here from Werner Jäger "Der kurische Reisekahn MARIA" (The Curonian travelling barge MARIA - a baltic sea merachand barge for open sea and canal use s.t. horse drawn)  the clinker of the night house.

And here what it looked like - the irregularities of the wood isn't as strong that you can see them... so everything is okay with the kit - I didn't have to change it again.

 

Now the glue has to have time to dry so I can spray the last layer of primer to  the hull.

After this the upper parts are toairbrushed be airbrushed in Revell 88 Ocker and the decoration in gold. The rest is dry brushing and ink - without painting the bulkwalk red and adding some symbol on the gunport lids inner sinking dots to hide them.

Edited September 2, 2019 by Heinrich der Seefahrer
Picture added and text developed further due to the inside view of the transom.

[Heinrich der Seefahrer]

First and second layer of paint rough as I only can do it:

The light Sand colour is Vallejo "Pale Sand"; the darker brown is Revell Aqua "Dark Earth".

 

That's it for tonight!