druxey Posted May 4, 2020 #241 Posted May 4, 2020 Interestingly, Shag Rock is now a popular diving site: Dive Site: Shag Rock Location: Mountbatten, Plymouth Sound Description: Reef Depth: 16 metres (50 feet) Visibility: 25 metres (82 feet) Rating: **** This reef can be reached by RIB from Fort Bovisand. The dive was done at the end of May with fantastic vis in gin clear water. The stony seabed is a mixture of green and purple pebbles with perfect seaweed gullies that could be straight from a fish tank. Marine life includes dogfish, rays, wrasse and crabs. Jenny Pickles, BSAC Dive Leader AON and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AON Posted May 5, 2020 Author #242 Posted May 5, 2020 Could they possibly be attempting to confuse the enemy... in this case the Americans. There are three stories. Ignore the short middle one. The true story is ... well, both of them. It appears the Admiral couldn't make up his mind, plus, this story appeared in a British India paper, so by the time they printed it, it was old news. bruce d, lmagna, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 6, 2020 Author #243 Posted May 6, 2020 War of 1812 (1812 - 1815) between the USA and Great Britain fought in North America and the North Atlantic. Here is a report from Lake Erie - 1813 druxey, mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 7, 2020 Author #244 Posted May 7, 2020 We will never see such a sight again - 1813 bruce d, mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 7, 2020 Author #245 Posted May 7, 2020 We will never see such a sight again - 1813 mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and bruce d 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 7, 2020 Author #246 Posted May 7, 2020 and... what an idiot.. 1813 paulsutcliffe, mtaylor and bruce d 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 8, 2020 Author #247 Posted May 8, 2020 The number of sailors that could not swim was absolutely amazing. - 1814 Did he not hold on to the horse (safety lines)? mtaylor and bruce d 2 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
druxey Posted May 8, 2020 #248 Posted May 8, 2020 Perhaps he was drunk? mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
Jim Lad Posted May 9, 2020 #249 Posted May 9, 2020 Until extremely recently most seamen couldn't swim. In the days of sail the ability to swim was considered by some seamen to be a disadvantage as there was very little chance of being picked up if you fell overbouard and it was thought that if you couldn't swim you'd drown quicker and get it over with. The storekeeper on my first ship was a Pommie seaman who couldn't swim a stoke. He said that as he had been torpedoed and sunk three times during the Battle of the Atlantic and survived he couldn't see the point! One of his favourite sayings was, "I went to sea to go on it, not to be in the b****y stuff"! John bruce d, AON, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
druxey Posted May 9, 2020 #250 Posted May 9, 2020 True enough, Jim. Very few knew how to swim. But falling off the bowsprit while at anchor, unless he was unusually clumsy if he was not drunk? mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AON Posted May 9, 2020 Author #251 Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) I hear a new verse in my head to 'What do you so with a drunken sailor?' When I took my PL course the first thing they made us do a 6 AM was jump off the jetty, be it high or low tide, didn't matter. And I can attest to the fact that looking down was worse than looking up (for me). Then they made sure we could tread water for a minimum of 30 minutes. And they didn't care that the water was damn cold or that the boats officer had a photo of a 15 foot shark they'd caught off that jetty hanging on his wall. Then they taught us to make a flotation device from our trousers to buy us more time. Of course that only counts in a day and age where ships can turn on a dime in most weather conditions, otherwise I suppose, you are fish food. I've read enough 200 year old publications now to know swim or not, your chances back then were from not good to really. really bad.. Edited May 9, 2020 by AON mtaylor, bruce d and druxey 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 9, 2020 Author #252 Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) Oh, what to do with all this surplus stuff? - 1814 Edited May 9, 2020 by AON mtaylor, druxey and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 9, 2020 Author #253 Posted May 9, 2020 And this is one mans story of what happened... - 1815 bruce d, mtaylor, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 9, 2020 Author #254 Posted May 9, 2020 LASHES THROUGH THE FLEET: A form of punishment in the old days of the British Navy for the more serious crimes committed on board. It could be awarded only by sentence of a court martial. The man undergoing sentence was placed in a boat in which a ship's grating had been lashed upright across the thwarts, and rowed alongside each ship lying in harbour. While bound to the grating he was given twelve strokes with a cat-o'-nine-tails by a boatswain's mate of the ship off which the boat was lying. After each infliction of a dozen strokes a blanket was thrown across his back while he was being rowed to the next ship, and it was usually necessary to ‘comb the cat’. A naval doctor was always in attendance in the boat to make certain that the man undergoing punishment was fit to receive further instalments of his sentence as he came alongside each ship. In each ship visited the crew were mustered on deck and in the rigging to witness the punishment, drums on board beating out the ‘Rogue's March’ as the boat approached. mtaylor, bruce d and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 9, 2020 Author #255 Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) The war with the USA end a mere twelve days later on the 18th - post dated 6 Feb 1815 Edited May 9, 2020 by AON paulsutcliffe, druxey, bruce d and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 10, 2020 Author #256 Posted May 10, 2020 Thank goodness he didn't decide to go down with the ship - 1815 bruce d, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 10, 2020 Author #257 Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) and... wars are over. So do what ever you want, the Admiralty needs a break - 1815 Edited May 10, 2020 by AON bruce d, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 10, 2020 Author #258 Posted May 10, 2020 and time moved on... progress in 1815 with steam boats bruce d, druxey, paulsutcliffe and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
AON Posted May 10, 2020 Author #259 Posted May 10, 2020 Well, no one bothered to draw, hang and quarter me over the fox story.... so, before I disappear for a few days due to another eye injection, I will leave you with this story of a 'leader of men' going out on his terms - August 1815, France, after Napoleon surrendered. bruce d, mtaylor and druxey 3 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
Tony Hunt Posted May 11, 2020 #260 Posted May 11, 2020 I wonder why Labedoyere was executed when many were granted amnesty after Waterloo? "The White Terror" after Waterloo was a pretty nasty time, it seems. AON, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote
Tony Hunt Posted May 11, 2020 #261 Posted May 11, 2020 Reflections on the first attempt to regulate the nascent pearlshelling industry along the north-western coast of Australia in 1875... mtaylor, AON and druxey 3 Quote
AON Posted May 21, 2020 Author #262 Posted May 21, 2020 To all that have been enjoying these posts, I have run out of papers to review. I hope others might add to this topic and keep it going. After about 3 years of working on this project, I have completed my collection of posts pertaining to the first HMS Bellerophon, her crew, the builder, and her time as a convict hulk (re-named Captivity). 156 pages, 520 items, 84 different papers from 1731 to 1836. Through calls at various ports, weather, court martials, the Haitian Revolution, battles (Retreat of Cornwallis, Trafalgar, Nile), providing protection off Newfoundland (where I am certain my ancestors saw her), the capture of Napoleon, escape of convicts, attempted murder of the captain, including the builders marriage, bankruptcy and death. Even the false reference to an earlier bomb ketch. Give me any date and I can tell you what she was doing! It was quite a ride for me and will become book 2 of 3 accompanying my build. Now it needs to be reviewed and corrections made. mtaylor, bruce d, iMustBeCrazy and 1 other 4 Quote Alan O'Neill "only dead fish go with the flow" Ongoing Build (31 Dec 2013) - HMS BELLEROPHON (1786), POF scratch build, scale 1:64, 74 gun 3rd rate Man of War, Arrogant Class Member of the Model Shipwrights of Niagara, Niagara Region, Ontario, Canada (2016), and the Nautical Research Guild (since 2014) Associate member of the Nautical Research and Model Ship Society (2021) Offshore member of The Society of Model Shipwrights (2021)
bruce d Posted May 21, 2020 #263 Posted May 21, 2020 1 hour ago, AON said: To all that have been enjoying these posts, I have run out of papers to review. I hope others might add to this topic and keep it going. It has been an entertaining show and I am sure others have enjoyed it as much as I have. Add to the topic? I would never assume anything I stumble across is 'news' to you so … tell us what you are still looking for. Thanks, Bruce mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
mtaylor Posted May 21, 2020 #264 Posted May 21, 2020 It has been an interesting ride, Alan. I'm slowly reading your volume 1 and am looking forward to volume 2. There's a lot of insight to the times in those articles. bruce d and druxey 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
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