Cutty Sark by NenadM

[Lou van Wijhe]

Lou has some good stuff there..........have you done any more to the one you started a while ago Lou?

 

I'm afraid the progress on my Cutty Sark model is minimal. I'm a man of many hobbies and little time (that is to say, little time left, as I'm approaching 74). But I made myself a schedule so that all hobbies get their fair share from now on and to speed things up I bought myself a computer controlled milling machine (Stepcraft 420 from Germany). I bought it as a building kit and I'm assembling it at this moment.

 

Lou

Edited September 11, 2013 by Lou van Wijhe

[rwiederrich]

I enjoyed building my Cs in just under 3 months.....I hyper detailed her and set her in a diorama of a factual event...getting her jurry rigged rudder replaced.

[rwiederrich]

One of her deck amidship.

[NenadM]

I enjoyed building my Cs in just under 3 months.....I hyper detailed her and set her in a diorama of a factual event...getting her jurry rigged rudder replaced.

 

You made real beauty, and really excellent model, and I wish I have your skills.

 

Hyper-detailing my CS is exactly the idea, one day when/if  I  finally/ever finish rough work on the hull ( puttying and sanding a little bit more)^x10, and correcting some details that can be corrected in this stage of work. This is exactly the reason I spent more time researching pictures on Internet than working on model, preparing myself for time when real fun will begin. Now I am in basement of my building, and there are more than twenty floors in front of me

 

Can you hang on MSW more pictures ?

 

This evening I sand a little, and putty a little, and MUST WAIT for putty to harden, to continue. Nothing valuable to show. Ah, I forgot ... starting to make forecastle deck again ( I removed it for necessary corrections - remaking it)

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[rwiederrich]

What kit are you building?

 

Mine was the Revell 1/96 kit......a 1959 version when the molds were new and crisp injection moldings were made.

 

I build a wooden version years ago...but the detail was lacking and many deck features were out of scale or simply plain wrong.

 

study is the trick for a good rendering....and I had to rebuild much and make many mods to keep to the actual ship.

 

Rob

[NenadM]

Rob

 

My kit is from 1983 ( blueprints from 1971) made by TEHNODIDAKTA, only who made kits in former Yugoslavia

 

Now it is a full scratch, only plans left ( I wrote about this earlier in this topic)

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[rwiederrich]

Sorry I missed that... in your write up.

 

Fun build for sure.

 

Rob

[NenadM]

After two hours,, there is bright new forecastle deck with space under to put there stuff what have to be there

 

 

Obviously some mistakes can be resolved ....

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

awwwwww...that's not a biggie.......ships are full of cost overruns and oversights     just scale 'er down a little and you'll be fine 

[NenadM]

Autumn comes, and garden/yard works get smaller  ...  more time for hobby. Saving neighbor from Admiral`s monster rose who migrated to him, play with my old dog (14 years, dont see and dont hear anymore ...)

 

 

and run in the workshop

 

Fore deck is mounted, and I concluded that next is upper bulwark, and ..... white ornaments inside

 

 

 

Today main fun was,  try to find a way and method to do this ( strip is only 5 mm wide ... and white detail ... max 2 mm) 

 

Of course, nothing in plans

 

Thinking, thinking, thinking ... and a flash ....

 

Make helping tool - mask, use Dremel, and ... gnaw recess 0,5 mm deep and put into prepared veneer strip .... sand a little ... and YES - that is that

 

Also I put different profiled slices for vertical piles .... obviously they must be thinner 

 

Here are today attempts ( not in scale, only to try technique) with sliding toll for mask I made, in front

 

Next is to research how many this white parts are there to try to calculate right scale ... and after two hours on net, I establish that NOBODY on internet never had counted this on real CS !!!

 

Happy me

 

Any idea ????

 

 

 

Tomorrow on 2-3 day trip again, and there will be time to research ( I hope ...) in the evening .... 

 

And maybe for fortress

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[mtaylor]

Nenad,

 

Hopefully, you can enjoy the fortress and maybe find some inspiration.   Are there any pictures on the Cutty's website that you could use to get an idea of the size and number?  Or maybe email them and ask?

 

One of the builders around here on MSW: KimatHm is very knowledgeable on the CS.  Try PMing him..

[popeye the sailor]

detail........detail........what to include in a model?   this is a bit of detail that is rarely done,  given the scale-down between the cap rails and the pin rails.   more detail is shown to be structual,  rather that decorative.  I do agree that it would be a cool thing to do mock-ups of different aspects ........then of course, to scale it down for the build.   it is a cool bit of detail though......if you can see it,  then it should be shown

[NenadM]

Mark

idea is to visually mask one of the stupid solution in my plans.

 

 

In earlier pictures, try to see what is under nail holder and deadeyes ... Correcting this is equal as starting from zero. If I cut it, then question arise - why I do that if I dont want to correct lines of hull. And that means to cut all planks, and that means to correct all ribs, and that means that is much simpler to start over. No, no, no !!!!

 

 

Consequences of enormous wish to start as soon as possible working ONLY with plans I have, without necessary research, without any analyse of any picture on Internet ( grand fool am I)  ... This details on bulwark, which I am thinking about now, are intended to catch attention to them, rather than to look under ...

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[rwiederrich]

Here are some older but nice images of the bulworks and many other details.

 

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/cuttysark/photos/albums/2076722189/lightbox/643145068#

[Lou van Wijhe]

I enjoyed building my Cs in just under 3 months.....I hyper detailed her and set her in a diorama of a factual event...getting her jurry rigged rudder replaced.

 

Midshipman,

 

This really is a beautiful model and I especially liked your setting her up like being drydocked. Very realistic!

 

Lou

[rwiederrich]

Thanks Lou.....Static models are not my thing.  I prefer to build an historical ship..then place them in an historical scene.  It causes not only the appreciation of the ship build...but draws the viewer into the history of the ship...making your display far more impactual..and might even entise the viewer to build a model for themselves.  Self promotion of a great hobbie. Plus you have a fine model to view and the scene it's in.

 

Thanks for your fine comments and posts.

 

Rob(I'm building the Ferriera the Cutty Sark when owned by the Portugues...set in a dirty backwater mouring)

[KimatHm]

Thanks for the Comments, and referral, M Taylor...Appreciate It...!!! For Nenad...!!! I've done that feature ( Very Rare on Most Models, and especially the Cutty Sark... Your definitely on the right track, and you're really not that far off as far as scale is concerned...I'm currently awaiting a 'membership approval' for the Yahoo Groups website, to view the photos on your link...Beautiful, and VERY CONCIENCIOUS work going on there...I'm Impressed...!!! Will get back to you soon, as soon as I'm allowed to view the photos...!!! Thanks Again, and Blessings ...!!! Kim

[NenadM]

Thx Kim

 

I am also, and hardly, and still waiting for Yahoo allowance  

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Research is over !!!

 

Answer is, as usual , in Mr. Campbell`s plans

 

 

Tomorrow I must find some place to print them in scale, to measure and count and to re-scale to my model

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[rwiederrich]

Dang...sorry about the link...I do have some other images you may find useful.

Edited September 18, 2013 by rwiederrich

[popeye the sailor]

yepper........looks like  Kats {sailcat} wasn't too far off with the hold covers 

[popeye the sailor]

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/272-cutty-sark-by-sailcat-revell-plastic-196-rescue-kit-bash-morphed-to-dame-tisane/

 

 

this build may give you some ideas.......even if it is in plastic.   enjoy!

[NenadM]

Popeye

 

I got it now ( never late)

 

I follow this topic since I am on MSW

 

Thx

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Best part of week is always - Friday afternoon. My principle is, on that day, from 17h to sleep - absolutely do nothing connected with my job or with house works. Sunday and Saturday are long enough for homeworks

 

Returning from job, go shopping, eat, slumber a little, and when Admiral start watching TV I go down to shipyard.

 

Earlier in the day, I printed Campbell`s plans, and start to study them

 

There are 34+4 white panels on each side. When I re-scaled them to my model, each section will be 13 mm, and each white panel 8 mm long and 1,5-2 mm wide

 

Waiting for sadolin I put on strips 2 x 5 x 500 mm to dry, I made little tool for get equal groove for each section

 

 

And final countdown - rehearsal of the play starts

 

I put a strip in tool and cut it to dimension (13 mm) and align ends not to peep

 

 

With Dremel tool I dig a groove using hole as a template

 

 

 

Then make a panel from veneer and glued it in groove

 

 

 

with sandpaper slightly slanted edges to make a room for the piles made from toothpick

 

glued  whole attempt

 

 

Cheeking size and scale

 

 

It seem to be OK, and the testing is successful

 

Tomorrow real work begins ( I hope. Admiral is talking something about she have seen in store brand new fountain for the courtyard for  50€ ??????)

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

yes.........where does the time go,  when your having fun.......huh?!?   good plan to make the admiral happy......it will buy you some time later on,  I'm sure.   when all is said and done,  and the fountain is running,  she can marvel at it,  while you sneak away 

 

"oh,  look at the pretty birds coming to the fountain.........probably tastes like crap! 

[rfolsom]

Hello, Nenad;

 

In my build I decided to make these panels the opposite way of what they're supposed to be;  I.e. standing out instead of recessed.  Your way is definitely the accurate way, and I may indeed regret my decision.  I have only done the sternmost four of these details (photo is of the stbd. side with the bow facing left; poop deckhouse removed for clarity).  Working from Mr. Campbell's plans, I noticed there is a different spacing between the uprights; and hence the different lengths of white panels in this photo.  I did these first test panels some time ago~ 6-9 months, I think, and not sure of their spatial accuracy.  Let me know what you think;  I may have to rethink this process.. 

 

Happy modeling,

 

Bob

[NenadM]

Bob

 

You are definitely guilty as charged. And charges as follows: hooked on Nenad to Mr. Campbell plans. Now I am definitely sure that my plans would not even look at, if I had / knew of Campbell when I started CS this winter.

 

But some weeks ago I definitely decide to move on, not to start again, and to keep on wrestling with my mistakes

 

Yes, Bob, you noticed well. White panels have different lengths . Simple test with tracing paper

 

 

 

 

 

Recalculating scale to my model, I get dimensions of section about 13 x 5 mm, and "counted" 34 + 4 by each side and white panel 2 x 9 mm. I decide to ignore that differences you talk about, from three reason : First, I am a kind of "dirty" and no absolutely precise builder and carpenter with not enough patient and skill; Second - scaled to my model, that differences would be about 0,1-0,3 mm, and question is - would that differences be ever visible and significant in any way ? Third, I am not sure are these differences presented on real CS. Unfortunately almost nobody who take picture on CS did not catch only panels, and there are panels on pictures usually on background. Especialy panels on rear deck - there are only few, and semi-usable photos. And I did not find anybody who really measure them on CS. It is understanding - who really care about that, except modelers of CS with Mr. Campbell plans. So, by me, they are all identical ...

 

On the another side, comparing available photos of panels and Mr.C... plans, it is quite clear that they are drown and scaled OK. From that point of view, it seems that your testing is quite wider than a right scale, but it is hard to say without other details on bulkwars to bee seen for purpose to compare. I suggest, in any case, to recalculate whole thing, and to do some more testings before final work.

 

Thx for your interesting

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

And after 6 working hours, here they are

 

Upper strip is not mounted, I put it just for visuallisation purpose. Clear and proper upper line of panels will be done later when time come to put that strip on its place

 

 

 

Comparing with picture above it seems that scaling is OK

 

 

 

Some little corrections  with sadolin (the composition of columns and panels) will be done latter

 

And of course,  MISTAKE  !!!!!!

 

There are 38 parts. Wrong positioning by 0,1 mm reflects on 3,8 mm misplaced on whole section. Wrong positioning by 1 mm only reflects on almost 4 cm misplaced panel. I was somewhere in the middle , and two of 38 parts - disappear - somewhere. When I reach final point , there were two panels left in box  !?!?! I hope that I repeat exactly the same mistake on other side

 

Will anybody see it, when whole work will be finished ? Who knows. I do not believe. Deck of CS is pretty crowded with furniture, deck-houses, and many other stuff, and there is almost a jungle above deck - enormous forest of ropes and sails ... which are ... I think we will agree - the essence of every model of every sail ship. ( or I am comforting myself ...) 

 

Anywhere, bravely go forward in new victories and in new mistakes

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

And another thing I though this days.

It is not accidentally situation in order of singular modeling works and every stage of work

Now I know : Planking first and mounting deck second. I did it reverse, and later run directly in problems that can not be recovered by no means ( remaking front deck and lifting it up to get some space under, broke some lines ... luckily, on that "broken" position there will be toilet houses to mask ... also as you look carefully on some mine pictures - over-width the deck lead to over-width nail and deadeye holder in the middle section of deck... I will post of it later when come time to resolve this)

Happy me

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

On a 2-day business trip again, not hard as last month, and half of my brain is with CS, thinking about further strategy of my modeling when finish other side with panels

 

1. I must be precise the most I can

2. I must be patient always. No rush, no nervousness (ha !)

3. I must over-detail model, as much it is possible

4. Cover and mask every mistake when it is possible

5. Correct every mistake if it dont require start from zero

6. Study and analyze plans more carefully ( all plans I have) about every single detail, and compare with pictures on Net

 

I am also interested what will be to the end

 

Edit: 

 

7. Always say (lie) to yourself :" Yes, Nenad, you exactly know what you are doing"

Edited October 4, 2013 by Nenad M