Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[rwiederrich]

A few more. 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by rwiederrich

[rwiederrich]

I have a few more updates to the build. 
 

I am adding the main pin rails.   Just finished the port side.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Finished up the starboard pin rails.  
 

Now onto the channels and chain plates. 
 

Enjoy.

 

Rob

Edited August 19, 2021 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

Rob, as I look down the long, long length of Glory's 250 foot deck, even in scale it's impressive how truly large this vessel was. It would be really fascinating to see a comparison of your 1:96th scale original "Cutty Sark" with your finished "GLORY of the SEAS" in the same scale. I'm now positive she will completely dwarf the Scottish lovely.

[rwiederrich]

26 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, as I look down the long, long length of Glory's 250 foot deck, even in scale it's impressive how truly large this vessel was. It would be really fascinating to see a comparison of your 1:96th scale original "Cutty Sark" with your finished "GLORY of the SEAS" in the same scale. I'm now positive she will completely dwarf the Scottish lovely.

Rich,  I did set her next to the CS and boy is it a comparison.   That is one reason I didn’t like my CS mod for Glory…….because it changed the scale to more like 1/128 instead of 1/96.     Now I have a 1/96 of both ships…..so folks can see the real size difference.  
 

Rob

[Tony Hunt]

Those belaying pins look really good Rob. At 1/96 they must be tiny - 3/16" at most?  Impressive detail and consistency of shape.

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, Tony Hunt said:

Those belaying pins look really good Rob. At 1/96 they must be tiny - 3/16" at most?  Impressive detail and consistency of shape.

Thanks Tony.  
Making the pin rails took a bit of math and some drafting skills.  They are not bent into place,  they were cut to fit the curve of the hull.  I had to determine the curve by using my drafting protractors and draw out the curve on a piece of wood taped to the deck. Then cut along the line and then calculate the under and overhang of the rail,  draw that out on the piece of wood and then cut that out as well.   Boom , perfect fit and to scale.   All I had left to do is mount it and the drill out the hundred or so holes for the belay pins.   Both sides in about 3 hours. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, as usual your installation of the pin rails is remarkably clean and done in incredibly short time. From the consistency, is it safe to assume that the belaying pins are of a mass produced variety or did you also craft them yourself, because they are wonderfully detailed for being so tiny.

[rwiederrich]

41 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, as usual your installation of the pin rails is remarkably clean and done in incredibly short time. From the consistency, is it safe to assume that the belaying pins are of a mass produced variety or did you also craft them yourself, because they are wonderfully detailed for being so tiny.

Nah....I let somebody else do that tedious work.  Not sure who I got these from...I had them on hand.  I use several shops when buying....brass work or chain.  I'm sure Donald McKay had a sub-contractor for small stuff like belay pins and...oh...masts/spars and canvas an stuff....

 

Typically, I make my own stuff...but it is my way to re-engineer other folks stuff for my purposes.

 

Thanks for the fine comments and encouragement

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir, here's what I consider my final rendering of the Hull of "GLORY of the SEAS". Michael Mjelde has requested I send him a copy once it's done. So once more, I ask for your feedback before it's transmitted to him (which I sincerely hope will get sent to Ron Haug to restart a conversation about his interpretation vs mine).

[ClipperFan]

Rob, Vladimir here's more particulars on this 1:96th scale (1/8" = 1') ship's line drawing of "GLORY of the SEAS".

Due to the need to fold the paper for storage, there are multiple wrinkles which make the image appear inaccurate. All keel and waterlines are arrow straight, as a ruler was used to draw them. The same goes for all 3 masts which have identical angles and also have been sketched with a straightedge. Special attention has been focused on keeping all published & calculated dimensions accurate throughout 

 

"GLORY of the SEAS" dimensions as taken from publicized resources:

 

Keel: 240'3"

Length between Perpendiculars: 250'

Length, Knightheads to Taffrail: 265'

Sheer: 7'

Yellow Metal Sheathed up to: 22'

Bowsprit in board of Cap: 24'

Bowsprit width: 34"

Jibboom & Flying Jibboom outside Cap: 15' & 16' (5' end as per other McKay vessels) estimated width: 20"

Grecian Goddess Figurehead: 90" 

Naval Hoods: 17 1/2' long with widest area at base: 3 1/2' 

Forecastle Deck: 35'

Foremast Width: 40"

House Abaft Foremast: 54' long × 18' wide × 8'3" high

Loading Dock: 2'2" high × 3' wide, located 3' 9 1/2" below sheerline molding. Hull is 17' 4" above waterline at this point. 

Lowest level of Hull at sheerline, centered in mainshrouds: 17'

Mainmast Width: 41"

Mizzenmast Width: 32"

Poop Deck length: 70'

Rear Carriage House: 35' (plus 3' overhang) × 24' wide × 8' high

Rear Wheelhouse estimated: 12' long × 10' wide × 8' high.

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by ClipperFan
additional information

[ClipperFan]

10 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Nah....I let somebody else do that tedious work.  Not sure who I got these from...I had them on hand.  I use several shops when buying....brass work or chain.  I'm sure Donald McKay had a sub-contractor for small stuff like belay pins and...oh...masts/spars and canvas an stuff....

 

Typically, I make my own stuff...but it is my way to re-engineer other folks stuff for my purposes.

 

Thanks for the fine comments and encouragement

Rob, when you can make use of well produced nautical materials to make your project easier, why not?

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, when you can make use of well produced nautical materials to make your project easier, why not?

My opinion exactly.  My job is hard enough, and I can mask just about any after market item to not give itself away.  
I kit bash lots of kits as well……using anything I can modify for my purposes. 
 

I can look into an item and envision what it must be. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

13 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

My opinion exactly.  My job is hard enough, and I can mask just about any after market item to not give itself away.  
I kit bash lots of kits as well……using anything I can modify for my purposes. 
 

I can look into an item and envision what it must be. 
 

Rob

Rob, I think that highlights your true capabilities as an artisan. Make use of all available resources to complete a project; creating particulars when necessary.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

22 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir, here's what I consider my final rendering of the Hull of "GLORY of the SEAS". Michael Mjelde has requested I send him a copy once it's done. So once more, I ask for your feedback before it's transmitted to him (which I sincerely hope will get sent to Ron Haug to restart a conversation about his interpretation vs mine).

Rich its worth to print out and get it framed. ! i would put one one the wall.  

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Rich its worth to print out and get it framed. ! i would put one one the wall.  

Vladimir I am deeply honored by that generous comment. I will see if it's possible to it scanned in order to print it out on one continuous sheet. Since it's practically 3' it will be interesting to see if such size poster prints are available. I'll  let you know what I find out.

[Dowmer]

Rich, take it to a Staples, Office Depot, Kinkos etc

They have large format scanners and printers. They can scan it and print on whatever medium you want, vellum..etc. 

The paper is on rolls so they can print any length. 

[ClipperFan]

On 8/21/2021 at 6:27 PM, Dowmer said:

Rich, take it to a Staples, Office Depot, Kinkos etc

They have large format scanners and printers. They can scan it and print on whatever medium you want, vellum..etc. 

The paper is on rolls so they can print any length. 

Dowmer, thanks for the tip! I was hoping that's the case but I wasn't sure. I will contact my local Staples to get their rates.

Edited August 22, 2021 by ClipperFan
Corrected Dowmer's name

[rwiederrich]

On 8/21/2021 at 6:43 PM, ClipperFan said:

Dowmer, thanks for the tip! I was hoping that's the case but I wasn't sure. I will contact my local Staples to get their rates.

It would actually be interesting if Mike could get it applied as an *Update* to his new transcript...since it is not gone to press yet(from what I gather).

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

It would actually be interesting if Mike could get it applied as an *Update* to his new transcript...since it is not gone to press yet(from what I gather).

 

Rob

Rob, that's my ultimate hope too, although he's right now apparently very committed to Ron Haug. More likely if anything, our collected input might steer Ron more towards the finished lines we have developed. Where I feel our efforts have been unique, besides being a true collaboration, is that for once, Michael Mejelde's lifelong collection of amazingly detailed pictures have been fully evaluated and then reconciled with actual 1869 published dimensions in order to arrive at a coherent whole. I am very proud of our results and both your vessel and Vladimir's are bearing out our research, as even Mike is impressed with the few in process images I've shared with him.

[rwiederrich]

A bit of work today on the port channels.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, I love the way even your channels are sculptured instead of just plain blocks. It enhances the vessel's overall elegance.

[BANYAN]

A lot of excellent detail there Rob, looks very good - even close up.  Are the channels dry fitted?  Doing the holes for the deadeye straps/chainplates will be difficult on the model?

 

cheers

 

Pat

[ClipperFan]

Banyan, after reading how Rob drilled all tiny holes for belaying pins after the pinrail was installed, it's my belief that he will do the same for these larger chainplate channels.

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, BANYAN said:

A lot of excellent detail there Rob, looks very good - even close up.  Are the channels dry fitted?  Doing the holes for the deadeye straps/chainplates will be difficult on the model?

 

cheers

 

Pat

Well Pat,  I looked at these from several angles.  Typically the kit supplied chain plates are laser cut and include mounting plates and nails.  You would put on the channel, cut in a groove for the plate and then place a decorative trim to hide the work.    Well I’m going a different direction.   I’m going to add them like I did on the Great Republic but by drilling holes for the “round” chain plates to pass through. 
 

It will all come together,  you’ll see.   I’ll do the entire port side first, then jump over to the starboard.  

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Banyan, after reading how Rob drilled all tiny holes for belaying pins after the pinrail was installed, it's my belief that he will do the same for these larger chainplate channels.

You got me all figured out Rich.  
Now can you tell me how I’m going to do that?       Heeheehee

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Here we are:)) I like the channels Rob, that you were able to make groove. seems you made them similarly as i did from 2 thin plates  V. 

[ClipperFan]

6 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

You got me all figured out Rich.  
Now can you tell me how I’m going to do that?       Heeheehee

 

Rob

Rob, easy. Your going to hire your little Elves that no one knows about to do all the hard work that of course you'll take full credit for later..... 😉

[rwiederrich]

5 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Here we are:)) I like the channels Rob, that you were able to make groove. seems you made them similarly as i did from 2 thin plates  V. 

Being so small I could not scrape them with my grooving tool, so I had to hand cut them with a cut-off disc.  Keeping the cut straight was the tedious part.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, easy. Your going to hire your little Elves that no one knows about to do all the hard work that of course you'll take full credit for later..... 😉

That would be Darby O'Gill's method.....however, as much as I would prefer to do it that way....I've chosen the more difficult, though less imaginative way.

 

And that my friend is a trade secret.  Like McKay, I will keep my shady technique to myself....though I will tell you that it includes the use of wire, bending of  that wire, glue and paint.  Not to mention the preformed deadeyes.  I will, however, entertain any observations you may postulate.

A *cheesy hack* never divulges his trickery.   I'm sure skilled artisans such as Banyan and EdT would never consider the LOW road when calculating their next move in building their magnificent models.   Where, as for me, that is a well traveled road.

 

The best part is, it all turns out well.  The prince wins the hand of the fair young maiden and no one is the wiser.

 

Rob(there is a reason someone invented smoke and mirrors)