Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Rob you continue to impress with small scale. so clean and that is really tiny all.  i must say poop rail adds a lot to true depiction. for this im going to revise my rail to make balustrades more true. V. 

[rwiederrich]

5 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Rob you continue to impress with small scale. so clean and that is really tiny all.  i must say poop rail adds a lot to true depiction. for this im going to revise my rail to make balustrades more true. V. 

Thanks Vlad.  Yes the scale is pretty small...but I can and do make mistakes...and correcting them seams to be a daily even for me now.

 but that is the process if I want to be as accurate as I can make her.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Rich...I knew when I posted these images....I would receive the critiques describing the exact issue you brought up.

 

I knew it when I finished making it, it was too tall in the front.  That is why I didn't glue it down to the helm roof yet.😎

 

Knowing full well I would need to remove material and redo the window/vent opening. 

 

I wanted to see if I could slip it past...since very few folks are truly aware of these details.

 

This cupula is pretty small....an inch by 3/4 ish.  The louvers on the aft end were a bear to make and I will NOT be remaking those.

 

I made the window the size I did, by using material I already had on hand(I see it was too large)...not really knowing what the door or access really looks like.

So a window is just as viable as any other covering for that open space.   However, with that said, I might make the mod a louvered door instead...since nobody probably looked out through it anyway.

 

You got me...but I knew it was coming.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Rich...I knew when I posted these images....I would receive the critiques describing the exact issue you brought up.

 

I knew it when I finished making it, it was too tall in the front.  That is why I didn't glue it down to the helm roof yet.😎

 

Knowing full well I would need to remove material and redo the window/vent opening. 

 

I wanted to see if I could slip it past...since very few folks are truly aware of these details.

 

This cupula is pretty small....an inch by 3/4 ish.  The louvers on the aft end were a bear to make and I will NOT be remaking those.

 

I made the window the size I did, by using material I already had on hand(I see it was too large)...not really knowing what the door or access really looks like.

So a window is just as viable as any other covering for that open space.   However, with that said, I might make the mod a louvered door instead...since nobody probably looked out through it anyway.

 

You got me...but I knew it was coming.

 

Rob

Rob, the last thing I want is to make you feel that I'm out to "get you" or Vlad. As I've always said, it's my goal to be of assistance in maintaining scale accuracy in order to assure you both create the most accurate reproduction of Glory possible. 

To assist you, I've attached a small sketch of what I see in the photos. The louvers can be painted, they look like they were natural wood anyway. Meanwhile, I'll redouble my efforts to sketch more structures accurately in advance.

[rwiederrich]

I remade the helm vent cupola.

 

I began on the front.  I’m making the windows off model and setting up the pillar caps.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I remade the helm vent cupola.

 

I began on the front.  I’m making the windows off model and setting up the pillar caps.  
 

Rob

Rob, beautiful work. Now the more subdued vent profile enhances the size of the Helm House it's built on, instead of competing with it as it had before. I'm sorry if I embarrassed you but it felt necessary to help you correct an issue which, while not huge would have still diminished overall accuracy of your recreation. When considering a very real likelihood that your completed effort, as well as Vlad's will be included in an upcoming Nautical Research Journal article on accurizing "GLORY of the SEAS" it puts even more emphasis on remaining true to the original as faithfully as possible.

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, beautiful work. Now the more subdued vent profile enhances the size of the Helm House it's built on, instead of competing with it as it had before. I'm sorry if I embarrassed you but it felt necessary to help you correct an issue which, while not huge would have still diminished overall accuracy of your recreation. When considering a very real likelihood that your completed effort, as well as Vlad's will be included in an upcoming Nautical Research Journal article on accurizing "GLORY of the SEAS" it puts even more emphasis on remaining true to the original as faithfully as possible.

I really felt I was going to change it originally.  Your input was the “stuff”  needed.   Thanks for keeping me true to her Glory………

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, you're welcome. It's a thin line I walk between being helpful guidance and a pain in the a$$ 'rivet counter' know it all. Believe me when I say I'm doing my best to be helpful and not the latter. 

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[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, you're welcome. It's a thin line I walk between being helpful guidance and a pain in the a$$ 'rivet counter' know it all. Believe me when I say I'm doing my best to be helpful and not the latter. 

Oh…..I’ll tell ya if you are becoming a rivet counter.  This is my second Glory build and I started it with the intention of seeking aid from other sets of eyeballs.   
 

You’re all 😊 

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

finally i was able to understand some idiomatic slang. rivet counter expression made my day. 

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

finally i was able to understand some idiomatic slang. rivet counter expression made my day. 

Vladimir, having spent nearly 2 years of my teenage years in West Germany back in the 60s, I can relate to the challenges of communicating in a foreign language. I just want you to know that you're doing an excellent job. When it comes to the Slovakian language I would need an interpreter or at least a book that would allow me to understand what the Hell it was you were saying! 😉

[rwiederrich]

I’m out of state this weekend so very little to report.   
Maybe when I return tonight I’ll do a bit of work.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

8 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, having spent nearly 2 years of my teenage years in West Germany back in the 60s, I can relate to the challenges of communicating in a foreign language. I just want you to know that you're doing an excellent job. When it comes to the Slovakian language I would need an interpreter or at least a book that would allow me to understand what the Hell it was you were saying! 😉

thanks Rich . well german language is really difficult  from what i can tell.i can feel you oh... i lived and worked in ireland back in days and later with american coleagues for couple of years. but language is live thing and its brushes away when not used...Ive been out of real practice few years now. but im glad i can still use it. well, english is what greek used to be in first century...global language. and thats great. i like it how it is. certainly better than mandarine chinese  or german for same matter. 

 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

2 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

I’m out of state this weekend so very little to report.   
Maybe when I return tonight I’ll do a bit of work.

 

Rob

all well Rob i got quiet today as well. Planet earth wont get exploge tomorrow so there is no reason to rush. speaking of my country, many cooler and rainy autumn days to come ...to be spent in workshop  

[ClipperFan]

31 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

all well Rob i got quiet today as well. Planet earth wont get exploge tomorrow so there is no reason to rush. speaking of my country, many cooler and rainy autumn days to come ...to be spent in workshop  

Vladimir "Rainy days and Mondays always get Ships built!"

A funny but true experience of my first day at Würzburg Hochschüle. Our dad, who worked at the US base nearby dropped us off. It was still dark, so we played in the schoolyard until it was light. We tried every visible door. They were all locked. The building was dark, unoccupied. Gradually an old janitor came along. We told him "Ich bin ein Amerikaner, waroom schuler nicht offnet?" Mind you, this was using a small English - German translation pamphlet. The old man told us "Gehen sie weght! "Leherertag" when we couldn't understand his fast talking german, we said "langsemer" meaning slower, while we desperately flipped between pages to translate. He proceeded to rant at us "Aselkopf! Schweinkopf!! Scheisskopf!!! Verukte Amerikaner, gehen sie weght! Keine schuler heute!"

I told my brother Steve. This old Coot's insulting us in german. After a long time of gradually translating, we realized school was cancelled for a teacher's training session. But the rest of the day we repeatedly insulted each other in the new german words we had learned. Absolutely true story.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

26 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir "Rainy days and Mondays always get Ships built!"

A funny but true experience of my first day at Würzburg Hochschüle. Our dad, who worked at the US base nearby dropped us off. It was still dark, so we played in the schoolyard until it was light. We tried every visible door. They were all locked. The building was dark, unoccupied. Gradually an old janitor came along. We told him "Ich bin ein Amerikaner, waroom schuler nicht offnet?" Mind you, this was using a small English - German translation pamphlet. The old man told us "Gehen sie weght! "Leherertag" when we couldn't understand his fast talking german, we said "langsemer" meaning slower, while we desperately flipped between pages to translate. He proceeded to rant at us "Aselkopf! Schweinkopf!! Scheisskopf!!! Verukte Amerikaner, gehen sie weght! Keine schuler heute!"

I told my brother Steve. This old Coot's insulting us in german. After a long time of gradually translating, we realized school was cancelled for a teacher's training session. But the rest of the day we repeatedly insulted each other in the new german words we had learned. Absolutely true story.

Not ordinary childhood in extraordinary time and country i would say. One of that kind I would love to sit front of fireplace and listen for hours...

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[ClipperFan]

34 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Not ordinary childhood in extraordinary time and country i would say. One of that kind I would love to sit front of fireplace and listen for hours...

Vladimir, I would tell you but that would hijack this topic..... and of course, I'd have to kill you. (My dad was a genuine Cold War spy)

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

43 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, I would tell you but that would hijack this topic..... and of course, I'd have to kill you. (My dad was a genuine Cold War spy)

haha feel free. except of last bit. 

[My Fathers Son]

My stepfather was Sicilean, amazing how as kids the first Italian words we learned were cuss words. 

 

Simon

[ClipperFan]

3 hours ago, My Fathers Son said:

My stepfather was Sicilean, amazing how as kids the first Italian words we learned were cuss words. 

 

Simon

Simon, I was born in Cairo, Egypt. Of all crazy things, I still know an elaborate curse which, if truly said to another in Arabic would end up in myself, my son, his children and his children's children all living under threat of death (a literal Fatwah) forever! I remember two other fragments "Hutah Koorah!" Throw the ball & "Geboiah moiah" give me water. Crazy, huh?

[rwiederrich]

Over the last few days I have been struggling with the notion of painting the lower edge of the houses with the same blue the waterways are painted.

 

To be honest, Glory has gone through many changes at the hands of many captains and through sheer neglect.  Many clipper builders or modelers like to use bold colors to distinguish these *trim* colors.  Usually a bright blue.  I'm not convinced.

 

I prefer a more subdues blue and with that said not sure it was used to highlight the building base trim.  On the other hand there is some evidence indicating there was some trim color.

 

Notice the shaded difference in this image of the aft skylights on Glory.

[rwiederrich]

See how bright the blue is that this modeler used

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Over the last few days I have been struggling with the notion of painting the lower edge of the houses with the same blue the waterways are painted.

 

To be honest, Glory has gone through many changes at the hands of many captains and through sheer neglect.  Many clipper builders or modelers like to use bold colors to distinguish these *trim* colors.  Usually a bright blue.  I'm not convinced.

 

I prefer a more subdues blue and with that said not sure it was used to highlight the building base trim.  On the other hand there is some evidence indicating there was some trim color.

 

Notice the shaded difference in this image of the aft skylights on Glory.

Rob, photographic evidence supports conclusion that the bases of all structures were painted the same shade of blue. Not just the waterways. It also appears, at least in the case of twin skylights that some trim was also painted the same shade. From what I can tell, the skylights were most likely pearl base, trimmed in white, edged blue with natural wood shades. 

While it's not specified, the blue you already chose looks like it would work well throughout your Ship.

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, photographic evidence supports conclusion that the bases of all structures were painted the same shade of blue. Not just the waterways. It also appears, at least in the case of twin skylights that some trim was also painted the same shade. From what I can tell, the skylights were most likely pearl base, trimmed in white, edged blue with natural wood shades. 

While it's not specified, the blue you already chose looks like it would work well throughout your Ship.

Rich from what document can we arrive that the trim was painted the same color as the Waterway...or painted blue at all?

B/W photographs are poor providers for definitive colors...though shades can be determined....but not true colors.

Is the blue trim an assumption or based upon actual McKay practice?  I'm not convinced either way.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Mikes original model builder painted all the houses *Except* the carriage house, with the waterway color.

It looks nice.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Rich from what document can we arrive that the trim was painted the same color as the Waterway...or painted blue at all?

B/W photographs are poor providers for definitive colors...though shades can be determined....but not true colors.

Is the blue trim an assumption or based upon actual McKay practice?  I'm not convinced either way.

 

Rob

Rob, blue waterways were almost always McKay's practice. One exception was "Lightning" which had lead colored waterways. Glory's waterways were definitely identified as having been painted blue. 

As for my inclination to say the skylights had blue & white trim, that's based on subtle shade differences I see in both pictures of them. The blue shade on the base of the Rear Carriage House appears to be lighter than nearby wooden browns. There's a similar difference in the trim of the sides of the skylights. It's subtle but noticeable. 

However, the Walters' oil only shows brown for the tops of the skylights. Meanwhile all MacLean said was that her sides were Pearl, relieved with White and her waterways Blue. Bottom line, it's a personal choice how you want to decorate the skylight trim.

[ClipperFan]

4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Mikes original model builder painted all the houses *Except* the carriage house, with the waterway color.

It looks nice.

 

Rob

Rob, Prior to your evolving effort, this model is the most recognizably replica of "GLORY of the SEAS." Odd that none of the rails were completed. In person, this must be quite impressive.

It appears like the only area that doesn't have the consistent waterway shade are the sides of the Rear Carriage House as even the front fascia appears to have that light blue trim. Even the tiny skylights have them at the base only. It makes sense from a design purpose as it lends theme consistency to the entire vessel.

[rwiederrich]

First coat of paint on the front of the carriage house.    
 

It looks muddled……….cuz it is. 
 

It will all look good when dry and a second coat is applied.   I’m working on the corner brackets, they go on after the painting. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Rob, that looks magnificent. If there's any "muddling" going on, it's not visible from what I see. Great work!

[rwiederrich]

Finished painting and adding the carved brackets.   
 

Rob