Glory of the Seas 1869 by rwiederrich - FINISHED - 1/96 - medium clipper

[BANYAN]

Rob, I am still bobbing along in the wake of your journey of discovery - very interesting following along.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[rwiederrich]

20 minutes ago, BANYAN said:

Rob, I am still bobbing along in the wake of your journey of discovery - very interesting following along.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Thanks Pat  
sometimes it can get a little rough going when you think you know something and then you find out what you thought was correct turns out to be totally incorrect.  
That is the true nature of research. 
 

Everyone involved in this journey plays a critical part.  Mike Mjelde, himself has conceded to many early erroneous conclusions.   It surely is a pride dampener for sure.  But we must rise above and be mature and stay true to our original goal to create the most accurate Glory we can…..and that includes the slightest miss interpretation of what we used to think.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

On 12/2/2021 at 6:02 PM, rwiederrich said:

Thanks Pat  
sometimes it can get a little rough going when you think you know something and then you find out what you thought was correct turns out to be totally incorrect.  
That is the true nature of research. 
 

Everyone involved in this journey plays a critical part.  Mike Mjelde, himself has conceded to many early erroneous conclusions.   It surely is a pride dampener for sure.  But we must rise above and be mature and stay true to our original goal to create the most accurate Glory we can…..and that includes the slightest miss interpretation of what we used to think.  
 

Rob

Rob, Vladimir

I just got this digital reprint from the UK of all places. It's printed as a 3" × 5" postcard. I'm sure the subject matter will be instantly recognizable to everyone.

Edited December 4, 2021 by ClipperFan
better image

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir

I just got this digital reprint from the UK of all places. It's printed as a 3" × 5" postcard. I'm sure the subject matter will be instantly recognizable to everyone.

Beautiful so clean and crisp, lovely.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

I was able to sneak away today for an hour or so and I worked on the four mast tops here’s a few pictures, got a lot left to do but we’re getting there.

 

Rob

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by rwiederrich

[TBlack]

Crisp!

Tom

[ClipperFan]

Rob, it's nice to see you back in action on Glory again. As usual, you do such a clean, professional job. I'm beginning to really appreciate those distinctive red bands, they really are different!

[rwiederrich]

5 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, it's nice to see you back in action on Glory again. As usual, you do such a clean, professional job. I'm beginning to really appreciate those distinctive red bands, they really are different!

Thanks Rich I appreciate that very much. I decided after looking at this situation a bit longer I decided to remeasure the tops and found that I was actually off by 18 inches so I had to start over cut the tops back rebuild the structure and here it is.

Still need to clean it up but the top is much smaller.  There are no images of her tops that gives way to good measurements. So  Underhill had to come to the rescue.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Not Sure if I’m going to paint the timbers in the hounds white or I might stain them there’s no real designation as to what she look like during the time  I am modeling her so either way, white painted or stained will probably look good.   White is alway clean and shipshape.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

Stained the top mast to see if I like it.  
 

Rob

[gak1965]

Rob,

     I've looked through the log to try to find the if you mentioned it, but haven't found it. Are the ship's boats scratch, kits from Model Shipways, castings from BlueJacket or something else?

 

She is looking fabulous!

 

George K

[rwiederrich]

8 hours ago, gak1965 said:

Rob,

     I've looked through the log to try to find the if you mentioned it, but haven't found it. Are the ship's boats scratch, kits from Model Shipways, castings from BlueJacket or something else?

 

She is looking fabulous!

 

George K

I heavily modify and even cast my own in plastic from molds that I have made.  I have a collection of many kinds and styles of boats in many scales, that I have  collected and made over the years.  These boats were created many years ago, and I was able to use them for this particular application.  Sorry I didn't go into to that when I added them....I simply went to my collection and selected the ones that appropriately fit the period and scale.

Since I primarily build in 1/96...I generally collect and make fixtures and items in that scale.....so I have ample supplies of *goodies*, when it comes time to need them.   Makes building so much faster...One of my cardinal rules/goals.

 

Rob

[gak1965]

They look very nice which, much better than the casts from MSW. Looks like some more purchases from BlueJacket or scratch building some replacements.

 

Thanks!

George K

[rwiederrich]

4 hours ago, gak1965 said:

They look very nice which, much better than the casts from MSW. Looks like some more purchases from BlueJacket or scratch building some replacements.

 

Thanks!

George K

I hope you find what you need.  Are the boats you got with your kit unusable?  Those metal ones are Waaay too heavy.

 

I took one of those once and cleaned it up real good...scribed clinker lines and planking detail on it..then cast it in duplicating compound and then poured plastic acrylic in the mold and made some nice plastic ones. Nice, thin and light.  Not everyone can do that....I know.

 

Good luck in whatever you decide to do.

 

Rob

Edited December 7, 2021 by rwiederrich

[gak1965]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

I hope you find what you need.  Are the boats you got with your kit unusable?  Those metal ones are Waaay too heavy.

 

I took one of those once and cleaned it up real good...scribed clinker lines and planking detail on it..then cast it in duplicating compound and then poured plastic acrylic in the mold and made some nice plastic ones. Nice, thin and light.  Not everyone can do that....I know.

 

Good luck in whatever you decide to d

Three of them will be upside down, so at least their deficiencies will be less visible. I need to see what a BlueJacket one looks like before deciding. Maybe the boats in the davits will be off doing something and not around...😀

[rwiederrich]

8 hours ago, gak1965 said:

Three of them will be upside down, so at least their deficiencies will be less visible. I need to see what a BlueJacket one looks like before deciding. Maybe the boats in the davits will be off doing something and not around...😀

Just put tarps over them. 
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

17 hours ago, gak1965 said:

Three of them will be upside down, so at least their deficiencies will be less visible. I need to see what a BlueJacket one looks like before deciding. Maybe the boats in the davits will be off doing something and not around...😀

George, since your "Flying Fish" is 1:96 scale, Revell "Cutty Sark" or "Thermopylae" is the same scale. Wouldn't those life boats work just as easily?

[rwiederrich]

3 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

George, since your "Flying Fish" is 1:96 scale, Revell "Cutty Sark" or "Thermopylae" is the same scale. Wouldn't those life boats work just as easily?

They would...and I so happen to have 1 or 2  of those in my collection from parted out models from years ago.  I didn't use them on this build, however.

 

As many models that I have built and from destroyed models that have been given to me...I have a good working collection I use for models and dioramas.

 

If one can keep their eyes open for partly built models on ebay..they can be used as salvaged parts.  Great way to build up a parts collection.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

I put in a little time finishing and painting the tops and staining the top mast and the grating work.  
 

Here are a few pics. 
 

Rob

[BANYAN]

The tops look great Rob, suits the overall mast colour scheme.

 

cheers

 

Pat

[ClipperFan]

Rob, this looks real sharp. My one observation is that the black color scheme most likely would have included the lower section of the top gallant mast too. The appearance would be more uniform then.

[rwiederrich]

Added a few more items.   Getting ready to step the royal.  
 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

5 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, this looks real sharp. My one observation is that the black color scheme most likely would have included the lower section of the top gallant mast too. The appearance would be more uniform then.

Yes,  but I want the top yards crane and iron stay and band support to be clearly visible.  
If all is painted black…..that detail disappears….blending in and going unnoticed.   
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Yes,  but I want the top yards crane and iron stay and band support to be clearly visible.  
If all is painted black…..that detail disappears….blending in and going unnoticed.   
 

Rob

Rob, that makes perfect sense. Of course, you could always paint those items bright red! 😉

[rwiederrich]

13 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, this looks real sharp. My one observation is that the black color scheme most likely would have included the lower section of the top gallant mast too. The appearance would be more uniform then.

I will continue the black paint on the top mast and royal doublings.

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

18 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

I will continue the black paint on the top mast and royal doublings.

 

Rob

Rob, it's very exciting to see Glory's magnificent rigging coming together at last!

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, it's very exciting to see Glory's magnificent rigging coming together at last!

Indeed....apart from her composite lower masts....her mast and yard structures are very typical of the period.  Howes Double topsails, single topgallant and single royal yards....and sky sail yard on the main mast

 

I believe the time period I am building her...she was reduced in sail...by way of lack of stunsails.  I believe she had been permanently  translated to the West coast by then  not to return to the East coast.  Left to ferry lumber and coal up along the West coast and possibly to Australia.

 

I see nowhere were she retained her stunsail booms after 1877 on..........  She even lost her main sky sail yard in her San Pedro image.

 

 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

52 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Indeed....apart from her composite lower masts....her mast and yard structures are very typical of the period.  Howes Double topsails, single topgallant and single royal yards....and sky sail yard on the main mast

 

I believe the time period I am building her...she was reduced in sail...by way of lack of stunsails.  I believe she had been permanently  translated to the West coast by then  not to return to the East coast.  Left to ferry lumber and coal up along the West coast and possibly to Australia.

 

I see nowhere were she retained her stunsail booms after 1877 on..........  She even lost her main sky sail yard in her San Pedro image.

 

 

Rob

Rob, I remember reading in both of Michael's books about the height of all Glory's masts being reduced in height on more than one occasion. This was a natural progression for most sailing vessels during their lifetimes. Most likely it was done to relieve stress and combat keel hogging on their aging hulls. I wonder if we have the accurate date of the San Francisco dock scene. You keep referring to it as 1877, which would make her 8 years old. Her lofty rig doesn't appear to have been reduced yet. Is there any chance this scene could have been earlier, 1872 for instance?

[rwiederrich]

8 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I remember reading in both of Michael's books about the height of all Glory's masts being reduced in height on more than one occasion. This was a natural progression for most sailing vessels during their lifetimes. Most likely it was done to relieve stress and combat keel hogging on their aging hulls. I wonder if we have the accurate date of the San Francisco dock scene. You keep referring to it as 1877, which would make her 8 years old. Her lofty rig doesn't appear to have been reduced yet. Is there any chance this scene could have been earlier, 1872 for instance?

 

[rwiederrich]

12 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I remember reading in both of Michael's books about the height of all Glory's masts being reduced in height on more than one occasion. This was a natural progression for most sailing vessels during their lifetimes. Most likely it was done to relieve stress and combat keel hogging on their aging hulls.

She did indeed have her rigging reduced several times.  My example is when she was in her hayday...after all her deck and rigging mods had been complete.....but before any reductions in her deck furniture and rigging.....and long before any canary mods had even been imagined.

 

Her long decline is documented in many images....those are not my interest at this time.

 

Rob