ClipperFan Posted January 9, 2022 Share #2311 Posted January 9, 2022 Rob, thanks for the update on your progress. It won't be long before we're seeing yard arms too. It's still so uncanny how much your model mimics images of the actual vessel herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 9, 2022 Share #2312 Posted January 9, 2022 lovely to catch up on the build again, stunning work Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share #2313 Posted January 9, 2022 Thanks everyone, for the fine comments. I hope to finish up the mizzenmast mast today…….then I’ll move onto fixing the chain slings and prepping for shrouds. Rob Vladimir_Wairoa 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share #2314 Posted January 17, 2022 I did a bit of minor work on the masts. Banding and adding the chain hoists. This kind of work takes time since making and blackening eye bolts takes time. Rob Snug Harbor Johnny, druxey, Vladimir_Wairoa and 3 others 6 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 18, 2022 Share #2315 Posted January 18, 2022 nice clean work Rob as alwyas. one question guys. I believe glory didint carry stunsl sails and therefore her yard arms didnt have eyes for it , correct? or ? thanks much. Vlad BANYAN and Keith Black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted January 18, 2022 Share #2316 Posted January 18, 2022 Those masts are coming along very nicely Rob; they look great. cheers Pat Keith Black 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted January 19, 2022 Share #2317 Posted January 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: nice clean work Rob as alwyas. one question guys. I believe glory didint carry stunsl sails and therefore her yard arms didnt have eyes for it , correct? or ? thanks much. Vlad Vladimir, actually Glory did in fact originally carry a full set of Stuns'ls. By 1877 when Rob is modeling her, apparently those booms had been removed. Vladimir_Wairoa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share #2318 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Thank everyone for the fine comments. Sometime prior to her 1877 San Fran image she relinquished her stunn sail booms. Probably because she became a West coast carrier, rarely going far South and not rounding the Horn any more. Accommodating doldrums was no longer going to be a burden for her. The true reason stun sails are carried. Honestly, I’ve spent more time lately, planning the addition of the futtock shrouds and their dead eyes to actually be doing any work on Glory. I did add the bell and bell arm to the forecastle leading edge. Not much Rob Edited January 19, 2022 by rwiederrich druxey, GrandpaPhil and Keith Black 3 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 19, 2022 Share #2319 Posted January 19, 2022 Thanks much folks. Stun sails be it then on mine too. my gosh V. Keith Black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share #2320 Posted January 19, 2022 10 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: Thanks much folks. Stun sails be it then on mine too. my gosh V. I've been meaning to ask you Vlad.......what was the factor that caused you to change your mind and go ahead and finish your version of Glory? I also saw that you are working on her bowsprit and jibboom as well. Nice to see your efforts again. Your 1/72 version will truly be a big model. Glad you're back in the shipyard. Rob Vladimir_Wairoa and Keith Black 2 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 19, 2022 Share #2321 Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, rwiederrich said: I've been meaning to ask you Vlad.......what was the factor that caused you to change your mind and go ahead and finish your version of Glory? I also saw that you are working on her bowsprit and jibboom as well. Nice to see your efforts again. Your 1/72 version will truly be a big model. Glad you're back in the shipyard. Rob I realised its a pitiful slight on her without All that tall splendor, and taking advantage of scale i Can to the detail Ed portrayed on young America. Not his quality of course but i have place to learn Few tricks from there and from you od course. Ill be updating here and there so stay tuned ..v. Keith Black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share #2322 Posted January 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: I realised its a pitiful slight on her without All that tall splendor, and taking advantage of scale i Can to the detail Ed portrayed on young America. Not his quality of course but i have place to learn Few tricks from there and from you od course. Ill be updating here and there so stay tuned ..v. I too originally intended to only make my (Original) Glory....the one this thread started with....a simple hull model, but as you say....it would leave Glory a pitiful shadow of what she really is. Your scale does slightly afford you with a bit larger and *easier, to make, I would assume(NOT) rigging and accessories. I fully agree....EdT's Young America is a great example to mimic...and the plethora of images available on his thread...are a builders blessing. A couple of good rigging books might help and surely Michael Mjelde's second book will aid in rigging her by using his drawings as reference. Currently, I am planning and thinking out my process for making the futtock shrouds and their connection to the lower top deadeyes. I do things unothodoxical, so too keep things simple and highly repeatable. I'm remembering and refreshing my thoughts as to what I did for the Great Republic. I'll duplicate the technique I used then. I've got to clean up and prep a lot of deadeyes and strop them first. Rob Keith Black 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 19, 2022 Share #2323 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, rwiederrich said: I too originally intended to only make my (Original) Glory....the one this thread started with....a simple hull model, but as you say....it would leave Glory a pitiful shadow of what she really is. Your scale does slightly afford you with a bit larger and *easier, to make, I would assume(NOT) rigging and accessories. I fully agree....EdT's Young America is a great example to mimic...and the plethora of images available on his thread...are a builders blessing. A couple of good rigging books might help and surely Michael Mjelde's second book will aid in rigging her by using his drawings as reference. Currently, I am planning and thinking out my process for making the futtock shrouds and their connection to the lower top deadeyes. I do things unothodoxical, so too keep things simple and highly repeatable. I'm remembering and refreshing my thoughts as to what I did for the Great Republic. I'll duplicate the technique I used then. I've got to clean up and prep a lot of deadeyes and strop them first. Rob Rob i look fwd much to see your style in place. with all that paper sails etc. i will not hesitate to ask for advice or help if needed sure. As for my progress atm im enormously enthusiastic as im doing soemthing new. and more importantly after rigging 1:24 cutty, i was soldering everything and i dont need so far - so im enjoying it so far. im far from rigging, but following Eds gigantic show helps as well as flying fish rigging masting plans i observe. everything is explained there. i started untypically with yards than making masts and probably next winter rigging. but with me it is - one never knows :))) so with grain of salt but even installing wholebowsprit itself changed her enormously. did i mention im not going with composite masting? i take hat off of sou guys but i am not good at it - never made one . thats why. i dont wsnt to spoil it all. when i see your masts i just clap hands with outcome and effort that was made. v. Edited January 19, 2022 by Vladimir_Wairoa add Keith Black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2324 Posted January 20, 2022 Worked on the mizzenmast futtock shrouds and deadeyes. Rob Keith Black and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2325 Posted January 20, 2022 Couple more. Rob GrandpaPhil, gak1965, Vladimir_Wairoa and 2 others 5 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2326 Posted January 20, 2022 splendid work. Keith Black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2327 Posted January 20, 2022 Rob, how did you calculate length of main and fore masts? In the book they say 91 vs 94 FT but IT consisnts i assume overal length Down Up to the mast step. I Guess i Will have to calculate it , Well knowing her measures upside Down it is no problém ať All. Just curious V. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2328 Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: Rob, how did you calculate length of main and fore masts? In the book they say 91 vs 94 FT but IT consisnts i assume overal length Down Up to the mast step. I Guess i Will have to calculate it , Well knowing her measures upside Down it is no problém ať All. Just curious V. Vladimir, in post #2134 I discussed mast heights with Rob. My conclusion by totalling up combined keel dimensions was to add 9'5" to your mast heights, to account for these massive spars being mounted onto Glory's substantial internal backbone. Measure from the very bottom of the keel of your vessel. That's for lower masts only. All other masts above the lowest, would exactly follow the published list. Vladimir_Wairoa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2329 Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, ClipperFan said: Vladimir, in post #2134 I discussed mast heights with Rob. My conclusion by totalling up combined keel dimensions was to add 9'5" to your mast heights, to account for these massive spars being mounted onto Glory's substantial internal backbone. Measure from the very bottom of the keel of your vessel. That's for lower masts only. All other masts above the lowest, would exactly follow the published list. Many thanks Rich, your encyclopedic knowledge never let down ClipperFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClipperFan Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2330 Posted January 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said: Many thanks Rich, your encyclopedic knowledge never let down Vladimir, you're welcome, I'm sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2331 Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ClipperFan said: Vladimir, you're welcome, I'm sure! To pipe in....along with published numbers...I always use calipers or drafting dividers to cross reference these numbers with actual photographs. Dead reckoning via direct measurements of photographs....either validates or causes you to remeasure. Like any good carpenter....measure twice(5 times if necessary), cut once. If I can reverse engineer the entire hull from knowing the actual length of the figurehead....I can do the same with the masts and yards. Rob ClipperFan, Keith Black and Vladimir_Wairoa 2 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2332 Posted January 20, 2022 Rob Rich would you folks mind to post pic or to point me to some i Can see how exactly IS mounted topgalant yard on Glory? I mean construction on yard. IS IS samé AS royal yard? Built over added wooden half circle with metal lock around? I apologize if not goint to watch All pics so far but not sure that shows yards mount. Flying fish Has Still same double eyed casted hinge as lower yards. Up to topgalant. But having one topsail less so probably thats why.... Many many. thanks. I should probably slow and watch Rob doing IT 😕 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2333 Posted January 20, 2022 Glad….here are some diagrams from several sources first this overall image shows the yards and how they are fixed to mast. This image shows the lower double royal mounted as the lower topsail. Glory did not have one of these Image is from “Lore of Ships” Rob GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2334 Posted January 20, 2022 Next…..Glory was rigged with Howes double topsails. these two images come from, “The masting and rigging of American clippers” and “Masting and rigging of clipper ships and ocean carriers”. They show the Howes double topsail design. Glory was slightly modified from the image with the banded support arm. Rob GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2335 Posted January 20, 2022 Crane for the top mast cap. Rob GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2336 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) These last images are showing the configuration of all the yards and their fixtures. Images from Campbell and Underhill’s books Rob Edited January 20, 2022 by rwiederrich GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwiederrich Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share #2337 Posted January 20, 2022 Hope this helps. Rob Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2338 Posted January 20, 2022 Thanks a milion Rob, it helps enormously. Though i dont intend to change topsail mounts at this point - it was tremendous work. im glad topgallant is different but wioll be more and more iron work... i should seek for some books of masting and rigging - i note there will always be some variations even with bands on yards... as looking at flying fish design plan i have. so more headache. 😕 . i assume there will be slight innacuracy in a way here and there with little details but i dont consider it fatal. even some captains might have done some rigging adjustments. though essentials are functional structures that are always given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir_Wairoa Posted January 20, 2022 Share #2339 Posted January 20, 2022 36 minutes ago, rwiederrich said: These last images are showing the configuration of all the yards and their fixtures. Images from Campbell and Underhill’s books Rob Strange thing is on these pics topgalant is mounted differently not on crane but with a round parrel. seems it gets confusing it probably varied ship from ship isnt it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANYAN Posted January 21, 2022 Share #2340 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Vlad, may have something to do with the size of the spars, In my Victoria build, the yards used a patent truss for the lower yard, an iron parrel for the topsail yard, and rope parrels for the topgallant and royal yards - confirmed in the Rigging Warrant. The upper mast (top, topgallant and royal) was a single stick so the upper parts were relatively quite thin and fragile, and it appears the royals were rarely used. Rope will have been lighter and kinder to the masts as you have surmised - horses for courses (parrels for masts). cheers Pat Edited January 21, 2022 by BANYAN p.s. GS Nares in his book 'Seamanship' (1868) also recognises the various options including rope or iron parrels (iron being iron brackets on a wooden support bolter to the yard). Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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