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Clipper, those are some truly nice drawings you are producing and will add to the collective understanding of the ship.  Great photo also, I store that one away, is it one of yours?

 

Rob, the model is coming on very nicely; you're adding some really nice detail.

 

cheers

 

Pat

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15 minutes ago, BANYAN said:

Clipper, those are some truly nice drawings you are producing and will add to the collective understanding of the ship.  Great photo also, I store that one away, is it one of yours?

 

Rob, the model is coming on very nicely; you're adding some really nice detail.

 

cheers

 

Pat

Pat, the edited skylight image comes from a larger pic of 3 people around Glory's Mizzenmast. It was taken from a pdf file that eminent author Michael Mjelde shared with me in a recent email. While I can't post pdf files, I can take pictures from my laptop screen, which converts them to shareable jpg files. Should you like a pdf file, just give me your email & I can do that for you.

Oh, I almost forgot, thank you for the kind compliment on my artwork. I am racing to keep up with the breakneck pace of Rob & Vladimir in their reconstruction modeling process.

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4 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

catching up with progress gentlemen, Rob, very nice skylights as well as gorgeous  Richs drawing . I can jump on those working. from the book photos with dancing around them, i noticed glass on lower side of skylights and i dont see that on pics... am i false ?  looking fwd to wheelhouse :) V. 

Vladimir, you and Rob both are making remarkable progress in both of your wonderful Glory models. As for the skylights, I agree with your observation that glass was inset and mounted beneath. Above the glass, from what I can tell, were natural wooden slats mounted in such a way, like Venetian Blinds which slightly overlap, they could close completely, in bad weather to protect fragile glass beneath and open fully to allow light for below in more clear weather. In warmer climes, the entire sides could be propped open to allow welcome fresh air to cabins below. 

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Thanks for the offer Clipper, the photo is fine for my needs.  I have to agree, keeping up with that pair is difficult :)

 

cheers

 

Pat

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Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch)

Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350)

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On 9/24/2021 at 6:07 PM, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, you and Rob both are making remarkable progress in both of your wonderful Glory models. As for the skylights, I agree with your observation that glass was inset and mounted beneath. Above the glass, from what I can tell, were natural wooden slats mounted in such a way, like Venetian Blinds which slightly overlap, they could close completely, in bad weather to protect fragile glass beneath and open fully to allow light for below in more clear weather. In warmer climes, the entire sides could be propped open to allow welcome fresh air to cabins below. 

I'm rebuilding my skylights.  Just didn't like them.  your drawing is a great help for dimensional issues.

 

Rob

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Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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4 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, I'm honored that you appreciate my input so much. It helps me to stay inspired knowing the work I'm doing is making a difference for you guys.

Well…..I’m doing the actual work, but I believe 2 or 3 heads are better then 1.  I would still have to do the work you are doing,  but you are graciously doing that for me.   
 

Im a bit slow these days, cuz I’m  also working on my telescope project as well. And it is taking lots of my extra time currently.  
 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

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Rob, there's no deadline on either yours or Vladimir's project. I imagine there might be one for your telescope. I'm fascinated by that. Hubble has given us incredibly detailed images which give us a greater understanding of how unbelievably vast our Universe truly is. Meanwhile from what I read recently, the new telescope which appears to be 5x larger than Hubble will blow us all away.

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11 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, there's no deadline on either yours or Vladimir's project. I imagine there might be one for your telescope. I'm fascinated by that. Hubble has given us incredibly detailed images which give us a greater understanding of how unbelievably vast our Universe truly is. Meanwhile from what I read recently, the new telescope which appears to be 5x larger than Hubble will blow us all away.

Yes the wonders of the Universe are vast and God in His majesty has blessed us with so many heavenly wonders to look at through our telescopes.

I'm building a platform from a used electric wheelchair for my large (5") binoculars.  So you can move about the drive putting yourself in good view of the sky and be able to have great rotational and directional control.  Astronomy is another of my passions and creating instruments to navigate the sky is among them.  The newly on coming rain does put a damper on my astronomy hobby, but work in the shop goes on.

 

When it gets too cold i usually throw in the towel.

 

I truly hope to be back at Glory very soon.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Rob, Vladimir & George K "A Portrait of a Ship, the Benj F Packard" was recommended to me by Michael Mjelde in order to get a look at the Wheelhouse. While there are some useful images of that structure, what impressed me more was this image of the Packard's Rear House. This beautiful scene shows her massive sculptured corner bracket as well as the elegant touches all along the front and sides. This is very similar to how both Glory and "Flying Fish" houses would have looked too 

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It's amazing how so many of these contemporary clippers and *DownEasters* followed the same or similar carriage house designs.

 

Look at the curve of the deck...even in the poop deck.

 

I have plans for the Packard, I'm gonna check this image to them.

 

 

Cool pic Rich.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Vladimir & George K "A Portrait of a Ship, the Benj F Packard" was recommended to me by Michael Mjelde in order to get a look at the Wheelhouse. While there are some useful images of that structure, what impressed me more was this image of the Packard's Rear House. This beautiful scene shows her massive sculptured corner bracket as well as the elegant touches all along the front and sides. This is very similar to how both Glory and "Flying Fish" houses would have looked too 

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Oh yess...maybe one day i Will panel sides and rear AS Well..V. 

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

It's amazing how so many of these contemporary clippers and *DownEasters* followed the same or similar carriage house designs.

 

Look at the curve of the deck...even in the poop deck.

 

I have plans for the Packard, I'm gonna check this image to them.

 

 

Cool pic Rich.

 

Rob

Rob, this book was another fortunate find from Abe books. It's #20 of 100 exclusively signed by the author. A nice bonus surprise was a personal letter of gratitude from him to the previous owner who apparently made a lot of contributions to his efforts, in the form of rare photos. Without which, the author himself admitted his book would have been pretty thin!

Considering the Packard was a Maine Downeast vessel built 20 years after Glory, it's not much of a stretch to consider McKay's vessel was a precursor to that style of vessel. Much like his "Great Republic" with her 4th "Jigger Mast" led the way to the massive steel 4 masted Barques just a few short years later. 

McKay was described as a restless innovator, constantly striving to reach his vision of maritime perfection with every new vessel he built.

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2 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Oh yess...maybe one day i Will panel sides and rear AS Well..V. 

Vladimir, I shared this image so you could see how well embellished these vessels actually were. The tricky aspect for modelers is to keep these really fine details to scale. While including such fine touches helps to establish how ornate these ships truly were, if the added details are too large, it throws everything else off. Some of these might be better done with painting impressions instead. Just a thought.

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Love to have that book in my library...but they have no more....😪

 

So kay.....

 

Over on the Fine Scale Modeler forum, some folks are talking about , why Revell or any other plastic model maker has never made a large scale (1/96) model of any Donald McKay vessels.   I've had this conversation for years...that is why I originally made my first Glory of the Seas from a heavily modified Cutty Sark hull.      Good questions, but there will most likely never be any large scale models of any McKay ships.   Too expensive to create.

 

So it's left up to us boys to create our own.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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37 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Love to have that book in my library...but they have no more....😪

 

So kay.....

 

Over on the Fine Scale Modeler forum, some folks are talking about , why Revell or any other plastic model maker has never made a large scale (1/96) model of any Donald McKay vessels.   I've had this conversation for years...that is why I originally made my first Glory of the Seas from a heavily modified Cutty Sark hull.      Good questions, but there will most likely never be any large scale models of any McKay ships.   Too expensive to create.

 

So it's left up to us boys to create our own.

 

Rob

Rob, Revell could have made a larger model of McKay's Clipper "Flying Cloud" but chose to do "Cutty Sark" instead. It's just as well since there never has been an accurate reproduction made of a McKay Clipper. 

Probably the most accurate contemporary painting of "Flying Cloud" is this 1871 one by John Scott 'Flying Cloud off Whitby, North Yorkshire'  Notice how similar her Bow treatment is to Glory's.

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2 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, I shared this image so you could see how well embellished these vessels actually were. The tricky aspect for modelers is to keep these really fine details to scale. While including such fine touches helps to establish how ornate these ships truly were, if the added details are too large, it throws everything else off. Some of these might be better done with painting impressions instead. Just a thought.

One reason I prefer 1/96.  Its large enough to command presence, but small enough that small minor details such as what is being discussed can be added.

Short of completely mimicking photographs such as this for Glory of the Seas.  Artistic license, coupled with period practice, should deliver the most probable accurate model.

 

I'm sure it is not beyond the stretch of the imagination that these later models(designs), took some of their own details and practices from models that preceded them.  Such as Glory of the Seas.

 

She was in her heyday when the Packard was laid down.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Revell could have made a larger model of McKay's Clipper "Flying Cloud" but chose to do "Cutty Sark" instead. It's just as well since there never has been an accurate reproduction made of a McKay Clipper. 

Probably the most accurate contemporary painting of "Flying Cloud" is this 1871 one by John Scott 'Flying Cloud off Whitby, North Yorkshire'  Notice how similar her Bow treatment is to Glory's.

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This must be when she was much older....cuz as originally designed(In 1851),  she did not have double topsails, nor sky sails on her fore and mizzen masts.  Sweet painting though.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Rob, Revell could have made a larger model of McKay's Clipper "Flying Cloud" but chose to do "Cutty Sark" instead. It's just as well since there never has been an accurate reproduction made of a McKay Clipper. 

Probably the most accurate contemporary painting of "Flying Cloud" is this 1871 one by John Scott 'Flying Cloud off Whitby, North Yorkshire'  Notice how similar her Bow treatment is to Glory's.

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seeing how revell failed to reproduce even such easy and important thing as stern curvature of existing ship cutty sark faithfully -  its probably better not touching Mr. Mckay fleet ...

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6 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

seeing how revell failed to reproduce even such easy and important thing as stern curvature of existing ship cutty sark faithfully -  its probably better not touching Mr. Mckay fleet ...

Yeah, and they even had the prototype at their disposal to get accurate measurements from.  Probably why they chose the CS.  Waaaay to much work to start from scratch with a McKay masterpiece.  they would have botched it up anyway.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

This must be when she was much older....cuz as originally designed(In 1851),  she did not have double topsails, nor sky sails on her fore and mizzen masts.  Sweet painting though.

 

Rob

Rob, "Flying Cloud" was 20 years old by the time this gorgeous painting of her was done. By then she was under British ownership, her lofty 3 skysail rig has been greatly cut down and her Hull is a lovely shade of green. Regardless, she still retains her beautiful trumpet bearing angel, this time accurately portrayed mounted on her gold embellished carved cutwater just below her carved, gilded naval hoods. Ironically, today there is not one model of "Flying Cloud" that accurately replicates these intricate features. Instead, they just portray a bare stem with the angel figurehead awkwardly tacked on underneath her bowsprit. Even the three quarter scale reproduction, built in Nova Scotia, berthed in Boston in the '70s followed that exact practice . I know, because I saw her there in the early '70s. It's just one of many reasons why I consider our painstaking recreation work on Glory so profound. To me, she's the "Rosetta Stone" of Donald McKay's Clippers.

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1 hour ago, rwiederrich said:

Yeah, and they even had the prototype at their disposal to get accurate measurements from.  Probably why they chose the CS.  Waaaay to much work to start from scratch with a McKay masterpiece.  they would have botched it up anyway.

 

Rob

Rob, actually for a cheap model under $3.00 in the 60s, Revell's "Flying Cloud" built into a decent model which at least replicated her lofty rig fairly decently. Her small scale also enabled her to be easily displayed anywhere. However, they made the right decision modeling "Cutty Sark" in the larger scale for accuracy.

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4 hours ago, rwiederrich said:

Love to have that book in my library...but they have no more....😪

 

So kay.....

 

Over on the Fine Scale Modeler forum, some folks are talking about , why Revell or any other plastic model maker has never made a large scale (1/96) model of any Donald McKay vessels.   I've had this conversation for years...that is why I originally made my first Glory of the Seas from a heavily modified Cutty Sark hull.      Good questions, but there will most likely never be any large scale models of any McKay ships.   Too expensive to create.

 

So it's left up to us boys to create our own.

 

Rob

Rob, I think that's also why author Michael Mjelde has mentioned the idea of doing an updated article on "GLORY of the SEAS" for publication in Nautical Research Journal. We might all want to decide how we would describe this painstaking recreation journey of ours in a manageable way to share with the good folks at NRG. 

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Spent some time rebuilding the skylights.  The aft one first. 
 

Rob

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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A little name action. 
 

Rob

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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Thanks jents and thanks everyone for the fine likes.

I'll finish up the forward skylight tonight and drill out the mizzen mast hole and probably glue the carriage/helm house down too.

 

That has to be done before I can secure the  carriage house aft ladders and gratings can be mounted.

 

But before all that I must make then drill and place the bumpkins.  Gotta have a clean deck to do this safely.

 

Rob

Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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I finished up the skylights and the steps/gratings. 
 

Rob

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Current build:

Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196

 

 

Finished build:

Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/#

 

Current build(On hold):

Build log: 1/96  Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/

 

Completed build:  http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/

The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."

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