Glory of the Seas 1869 by Vladimir_Wairoa - FINISHED - 1:72 - medium clipper

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir old buddy, old pal. Not to throw a "monkey wrench" into your plans to invest in relatively expensive Amati copper tiles but I thought you might just appreciate seeing a less costly alternative. Granted, this real brass foil would have to be modified ala Rob's technique but think of the amazingly similar results to new Muntz metal. Of course, this would have to be dulled down but it's dramatically different than copper. Besides, I'm pretty sure that the replications of the Amati tiles are in reverse.

[rwiederrich]

Actually, one could simply use the copper tape or pre formed plates and simply paint them with a metallic paint that shines like bright muntz

.  Easy peasy .   I almost did that myself  , Cept I like the weathered look.
 

Rob

Edited August 5, 2021 by rwiederrich

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

11 hours ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir old buddy, old pal. Not to throw a "monkey wrench" into your plans to invest in relatively expensive Amati copper tiles but I thought you might just appreciate seeing a less costly alternative. Granted, this real brass foil would have to be modified ala Rob's technique but think of the amazingly similar results to new Muntz metal. Of course, this would have to be dulled down but it's dramatically different than copper. Besides, I'm pretty sure that the replications of the Amati tiles are in reverse.

Rich, my friend. Appreciated the effort, i really am, but Guess what? I have brass sheets left from cutty sark that would maybe covered entire glory. But im ageing i guess. I cant imagine púť myself into making each individual plate again and even smaller. Not anymore. Besides. Its All different if its tápe and strips. Not pieces. No anyway, its still christmass Topic in my čase lets FOCUS whats Actual shall we?

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

One could think there IS not much to do now...hell yeah. My package arrives tmw.and i faired waterways to round angle with 320 grit, and almost built Up stern All the way. She starts looking Smart isnt IT? Here IS the progress...

 

 

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, no problem. It was just a thought. Anyway if you're considering modeling Glory as first launched, this gives you an idea of what shade her Muntz plates would have been when new.

[rwiederrich]

19 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Rich, my friend. Appreciated the effort, i really am, but Guess what? I have brass sheets left from cutty sark that would maybe covered entire glory. But im ageing i guess. I cant imagine púť myself into making each individual plate again and even smaller. Not anymore. Besides. Its All different if its tápe and strips. Not pieces. No anyway, its still christmass Topic in my čase lets FOCUS whats Actual shall we?

Yeah,  once you’ve laid about 2000 plates you can easily be persuaded to NOT do it again. And you only plated half the hull of Cutty. You have plenty to do till Christmas ,  so full steam ahead.   You have bulwarks to build , and another delay in wood delivery.  Getting old is a major contributor, especially when having to tackle something that tries your patience.   You’re doing a great job, I love it.   
 

Rob

Edited August 5, 2021 by rwiederrich

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Just now, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, no problem. It was just a thought. Anyway if you're considering modeling Glory as first launched, this gives you an idea of what shade her Muntz plates would have been when new.

Yeah, I would never accepted copper red myself Once i discovered lovely muntz  😉 be IT Liverpool shipped or American one ..

 

[ClipperFan]

5 minutes ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

One could think there IS not much to do now...hell yeah. My package arrives tmw.and i faired waterways to round angle with 320 grit, and almost built Up stern All the way. She starts looking Smart isnt IT? Here IS the progress...

 

 

Vladimir, beautiful work on her Stern and Counter. This is where Michael Mjelde's highly detailed images have given us such in depth knowledge of all the subtleties of McKay's construction. You are doing a great job in capturing it too!

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

1 minute ago, rwiederrich said:

Yeah,  once you’ve laid about 2000 plates you can easily be persuaded to NOT do it again. And you only plated half the hull of Curry. You have plenty to do till Christmas ,  so full steam ahead.   You have bulwarks to build , and another delay in wood delivery.  Getting old is a major contributor, especially when having to tackle something that tries your patience.   You’re doing a great job, I love it.   
 

Rob

Exactly Rob. Noone knows what future brings, and with covid Madness i Can be thrown workless lazying in winter maybe i Will get joy to make plates who knows. Fór this im leaving coppering off my back...but im sure when i paint half black IT would be hunting le to get done test of the hull AS Well ...Will see... 

[rwiederrich]

Glad…… she is coming along nicely.  Good contour.   I see you made the stern post adjustment for the rudder post.  
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Not that this compares in any way to hand laying 2,000 copper plates but I can remember as a youth wanting an authentic turn of the century water tower for our HO train layout. None of the plastic offerings looked genuine enough. So we scratch built one. For the tin roof we improvised ordinary aluminum foil, dull side out and cut them into scale shapes. That was a tedious, time consuming project. Afterwards we used ordinary tea to stain the entire contraption and imitate rusty weathering. As I recall it came out looking better than we'd hoped but yeah, I wouldn't want to anticipate hand lay a 1,000 or more tiles either.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

Its raining All day long  so i have moved along today....entire poop IS done. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[rwiederrich]

Oh yeah…….😚

what we can get done on rainy days.  
Looks spot on.   
 

Rob

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, it's remarkable how you have reproduced Glory's very graceful Stern and Counter so beautifully. Between you and Rob, I do believe we have two of the most impressive "GLORY of the SEAS" Clippers ever built so far. That includes the one sitting in the Kennedy Library and examples I've seen in Mystic Seaport's collection of sailing Ship models.

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

...Bulwark stanchions angles were smoothered and rounder ( as much as All wooden corners...) So i did try to be honest to this idea...

I didnt copy any method looked how its done by model expo but invented my own process how to firmly fasten them. Helped by stringer as my usual friend here...filled holes ať the end. IT was beautiful day ....looks like waterways Will get color soon ! I mušt say there IS something astonishing following almost original process ...so much to learn and so far entire Boat IS wooden. Wow. When i stand a person in scale IT was Mammoth! Thanks for watching comment etc...Everyone have good weekend ! V. 

 

[rwiederrich]

Looking good Vlad...the bulwarks are very clean and it is important to maintain proper convexity as you approach the bow.

 

Good work for sure.

 

Love the progress.

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

5 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Looking good Vlad...the bulwarks are very clean and it is important to maintain proper convexity as you approach the bow.

 

Good work for sure.

 

Love the progress.

 

Rob

Thanks Rob, yes that was trickiest part. I tried to follow plans and natural curvature of hull below, although i regret a little bit i should lean them even more inside in the middle not striaght but i Can live with that. Im opened to aby comment or observation although iwpuld not be Happy reworking it. But IT surely doeant look like Michaels sharp turn off coverboard rather like between his and flying fish very long convex Curve. Seems we have it identical more or lesa. I Will check on IT more tmew, Im curious what Rich Has to say. Evening them was not easy so i focused on that to make sure there IS no ugly bump in the line. V. 

 

My fleet mammoth and his little sister from same year. 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Vladimir_Wairoa
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[ClipperFan]

1 hour ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rob, yes that was trickiest part. I tried to follow plans and natural curvature of hull below, although i regret a little bit i should lean them even more inside in the middle not striaght but i Can live with that. Im opened to aby comment or observation although iwpuld not be Happy reworking it. But IT surely doeant look like Michaels sharp turn off coverboard rather like between his and flying fish very long convex Curve. Seems we have it identical more or lesa. I Will check on IT more tmew, Im curious what Rich Has to say. Evening them was not easy so i focused on that to make sure there IS no ugly bump in the line. V. 

 

My fleet mammoth and his little sister from same year. 

 

 

 

Vladimir I'm honored that you value my input so much. Just to set the record straight, I am continually in awe of the natural skills you and Rob display in crafting these glorious Clipper Ship models. As for my abilities, maybe someday I'll consider attempting one of my own and boy howdy will you know an amateur at work when, if you see one!

What astonishes me about your work Vlad is that, not knowing this is a miniature replica, there are some close ups that make it seem like you're actually staring at a real ship under construction!

I agree fully with Rob's observation too, you have managed quite nicely to follow the challenging complexity of Glory's Hull which even Duncan MacLean described as transitioning smoothly from concave to convex. 

Again, especially as I see both of your impressive ships come to fruition, it becomes ever more clear to me that Donald McKay did indeed meld lines of his famous Extreme Clippers "Stag Hound" and "Flying Fish" with the largest, flattest cargo carrying capacity imaginable combined with an incredibly lofty and powerful sail plan. 

As for your lovely Cutty Sark model, is that 1:96th scale?

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir, the gap between your Bowsprit and Naval Hood profile below hopefully should be closed by the time all your rigging is done. We see this space in numerous pictures of Glory after her long Jibboom is cut off. If you look at the scenes of Glory when she's fully rigged, there's almost no space between the Bowsprit and Naval Hoods, as it was cinched tight for seaworthiness. 

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

4 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir I'm honored that you value my input so much. Just to set the record straight, I am continually in awe of the natural skills you and Rob display in crafting these glorious Clipper Ship models. As for my abilities, maybe someday I'll consider attempting one of my own and boy howdy will you know an amateur at work when, if you see one!

What astonishes me about your work Vlad is that, not knowing this is a miniature replica, there are some close ups that make it seem like you're actually staring at a real ship under construction!

I agree fully with Rob's observation too, you have managed quite nicely to follow the challenging complexity of Glory's Hull which even Duncan MacLean described as transitioning smoothly from concave to convex. 

Again, especially as I see both of your impressive ships come to fruition, it becomes ever more clear to me that Donald McKay did indeed meld lines of his famous Extreme Clippers "Stag Hound" and "Flying Fish" with the largest, flattest cargo carrying capacity imaginable combined with an incredibly lofty and powerful sail plan. 

As for your lovely Cutty Sark model, is that 1:96th scale?

Rich yes its 1:96revell plastic indeed. On that photos i got new mobile phone with quite aparently useful and pretty nice macro feature so im trying to use it here and there.  i must say it magnifies it hugely. cant wait taking ornamentation down with it  . Dont worry Rich modeling should be fun ! so there is no pressing or anything. sure i got better after two quite a years but fo example i will never return to soldering as i danaged my hands skin. but recovered hopefully fully. but it took a year and it was nasty. so i made some irreparable mistakes and i ahould have started with easier models. but well here we are. almost painting Glory ! gosh. im playing with an idea id like you to see my glory in person so when is ready without masts i wll probably send her to you guys to inspect her in person  well im not sure how crqzy that idea is but ...anyway. have a good weekend my friends. 

[rwiederrich]

2 hours ago, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Thanks Rob, yes that was trickiest part. I tried to follow plans and natural curvature of hull below, although i regret a little bit i should lean them even more inside in the middle not striaght but i Can live with that. Im opened to aby comment or observation although iwpuld not be Happy reworking it. But IT surely doeant look like Michaels sharp turn off coverboard rather like between his and flying fish very long convex Curve. Seems we have it identical more or lesa. I Will check on IT more tmew, Im curious what Rich Has to say. Evening them was not easy so i focused on that to make sure there IS no ugly bump in the line. V. 

 

My fleet mammoth and his little sister from same year. 

 

 

 

And they are both suppose to be in the same scale of 1/96.  900 tons verses 2100.  Similar comparison from the Great Republic 4555 verses 2100 average clipper of the same period.

 

Rob

[rwiederrich]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir, the gap between your Bowsprit and Naval Hood profile below hopefully should be closed by the time all your rigging is done. We see this space in numerous pictures of Glory after her long Jibboom is cut off. If you look at the scenes of Glory when she's fully rigged, there's almost no space between the Bowsprit and Naval Hoods, as it was cinched tight for seaworthiness. 

Very good observation.  It can't be erroneously assumed her bowsprit had any real distance between it and the naval hood...solely based off of her images with no jibboom.  Stresses of her tightened bobstays and martingale tension and the stays stresses would have surely applied forces not seen in her *SPRUNG* state without any jibboom and head gear stresses.   Rigging and sparring designs took into consideration the stress loads and flexure that would be attained...thus requiring the nautical engineer to calculate that into his design.  both hull and rigging.  Bob Cleek would know exactly what I was talking about and could probably explain it far better.

 

He's a professional....I'm not even an amateur.

 

It is true what Vlad says...it's nice to have your eyes and opinion at our beckon call....heeheehee

 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

7 minutes ago, rwiederrich said:

Very good observation.  It can't be erroneously assumed her bowsprit had any real distance between it and the naval hood...solely based off of her images with no jibboom.  Stresses of her tightened bobstays and martingale tension and the stays stresses would have surely applied forces not seen in her *SPRUNG* state without any jibboom and head gear stresses.   Rigging and sparring designs took into consideration the stress loads and flexure that would be attained...thus requiring the nautical engineer to calculate that into his design.  both hull and rigging.  Bob Cleek would know exactly what I was talking about and could probably explain it far better.

 

He's a professional....I'm not even an amateur.

 

It is true what Vlad says...it's nice to have your eyes and opinion at our beckon call....heeheehee

 

Rob

Ok than. noted. I will try to observe it and fill in. Thank you . V. 

[gak1965]

On 8/6/2021 at 10:10 AM, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

...Bulwark stanchions angles were smoothered and rounder ( as much as All wooden corners...) So i did try to be honest to this idea...

I didnt copy any method looked how its done by model expo but invented my own process how to firmly fasten them. Helped by stringer as my usual friend here...filled holes ať the end. IT was beautiful day ....looks like waterways Will get color soon ! I mušt say there IS something astonishing following almost original process ...so much to learn and so far entire Boat IS wooden. Wow. When i stand a person in scale IT was Mammoth! Thanks for watching comment etc...Everyone have good weekend ! V. 

 

Looks great. I was wondering how to eventually replicate the pre cut planksheer that MS makes when I start Discovery, and I think that your method is the answer

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

11 hours ago, gak1965 said:

Looks great. I was wondering how to eventually replicate the pre cut planksheer that MS makes when I start Discovery, and I think that your method is the answer

George I was looking at planksheer on plan myself not sure how to replicate it. i didnt know how untill i tried to experiment. at the end i fou d out i can run 2.5 mm strip to proper angle and fix it temporarily with thin wire not gluing. once fastened i run precut horizontal pieces  along so that i glue one and than i make a gap by sticking false dolumn and follow next border with glue pushing it firmly towards column - iat the end column is difficult to take out and another to insert which ensures snug fit for angled clumns. so far im pretty satisfied it works perfectly. V. 

[rwiederrich]

Vlad…….how are you cutting the molding into the planksheer ? 
 

Rob

Edited August 8, 2021 by rwiederrich

[ClipperFan]

 

On 8/5/2021 at 11:20 AM, Vladimir_Wairoa said:

Its raining All day long  so i have moved along today....entire poop IS done. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vladimir here's how accurately you're capturing your topic! Congratulations on an incredibly accurate ongoing creative work!!

[ClipperFan]

Vladimir now for something completely different. Since you mentioned doing the Sheerline moldings, I thought you might appreciate seeing this.

Here, as best envisioned by me, is a cross section of Glory's Port side bulwarks looking Foreward, with interior dimensions on the right and exterior on left. I tried to incorporate every visible molding as can be determined by many photos available. Interestingly enough, when the 3" wide Main Bulwarks strakes are counted, there are exactly 8 visible between the 2 6" wide shelfs (for lack of a better description) which mirror each other top and bottom. All dimensions are, as usual taken directly from MacLean's 1869 highly detailed specs most likely supplied directly by McKay's Shipyard.

[rwiederrich]

6 minutes ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir now for something completely different. Since you mentioned doing the Sheerline moldings, I thought you might appreciate seeing this.

Here, as best envisioned by me, is a cross section of Glory's Port side bulwarks looking Foreward, with interior dimensions on the right and exterior on left. I tried to incorporate every visible molding as can be determined by many photos available. Interestingly enough, when the 3" wide Main Bulwarks strakes are counted, there are exactly 8 visible between the 2 6" wide shelfs (for lack of a better description) which mirror each other top and bottom. All dimensions are, as usual taken directly from MacLean's 1869 highly detailed specs most likely supplied directly by McKay's Shipyard.

Rich.   You forgot the main pin rail just beneath the main rail molding.   
 

Rob

[Vladimir_Wairoa]

1 hour ago, ClipperFan said:

Vladimir now for something completely different. Since you mentioned doing the Sheerline moldings, I thought you might appreciate seeing this.

Here, as best envisioned by me, is a cross section of Glory's Port side bulwarks looking Foreward, with interior dimensions on the right and exterior on left. I tried to incorporate every visible molding as can be determined by many photos available. Interestingly enough, when the 3" wide Main Bulwarks strakes are counted, there are exactly 8 visible between the 2 6" wide shelfs (for lack of a better description) which mirror each other top and bottom. All dimensions are, as usual taken directly from MacLean's 1869 highly detailed specs most likely supplied directly by McKay's Shipyard.

Rich, Rob You are helping me a great deal thanks a milion. I already have those numbers in head by now, its very useful. I must stress one thing though. 

There are compromisses in build and those include there instalments, not in measures but in style. There Will be less than 8 miniatures  strakes but 6 little wider - butvthose are still in my scale ratio as main planks are Also wider than original. Hovewer  I definitely want to maintain aestetic and form structure with 2 6" outsided planks from hull. 

 

I always jave to Keep eye on sheer line profile  from back to bow and install on IT strakes with samé thickness so i could sand Bulwark Columns correctly...

 

When it comes to moldings decoration, 

Im not there get. I want to Keep IS as beautiful and faithful as possible doing IT with boxwood. As ornamentals are from both sides of main rail and top rail, im installing middle wood to that i Will glue molded strakes from both sides. But IT wont be soon i dont have such Wood but found a suplier in hrany so ...far from IT yet. Gopefully i Will complete rails this week and poden structural form od Boat hull  Will be pretty much  completed.this IS today progress. 

 

I run to one issue though. Forecaatle bulkheads appear little  Higher than shpuld be so i have to cut those and lower them a bit nothing tragic. 

Here IS the progress. Always thanks for looking in etc....i took magnified photo by my macro feature from book to check molding detail