tkay11 Posted August 30, 2021 Share #1 Posted August 30, 2021 I came across the term 'un hausard' in the inventory of a French ship of 1766 under the list of items in the barrelmaker's store. I searched diligently through contemporary French dictionaries and books, as well as looking up old barrelmakers' tools, but could find no such word. Does anyone have a suggestion? Thanks Tony Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 30, 2021 Share #2 Posted August 30, 2021 Au hasard is random: i.e. broken down barrels into staves. Perhaps either period spelling or misprint? Keith Black, Canute, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted August 30, 2021 Thanks, druxey. I thought of that briefly, but it does appear as a single item, un hausard, in a long list. Tony Keith Black, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted August 30, 2021 Share #4 Posted August 30, 2021 Tony, I think you're correct. From what I gather "un hansard" = report. FWIW, I think "un hansard" was a report/record written by the Cooper and the person who was compiling the inventory was so impressed by the ability of the Cooper to make a written report/record that he included it in the inventory. mtaylor, Canute and tkay11 3 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted August 30, 2021 Share #5 Posted August 30, 2021 Good Evening Tony; To follow up on Druxey's answer, it is possible that the words are 'au hazard', which has an English equivalent, 'at hazard', meaning 'as chance may make it', approximately. Depends upon the context, really, as to whether or not this is a likelihood. All the best, Mark P druxey, mtaylor, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote Previously built models (long ago, aged 18-25ish) POB construction. 32 gun frigate, scratch-built sailing model, Underhill plans. 2 masted topsail schooner, Underhill plans. Started at around that time, but unfinished: 74 gun ship 'Bellona' NMM plans. POB On the drawing board: POF model of Royal Caroline 1749, part-planked with interior details. My own plans, based on Admiralty draughts and archival research. Always on the go: Research into Royal Navy sailing warship design, construction and use, from Tudor times to 1790. Member of NRG, SNR, NRS, SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 30, 2021 Share #6 Posted August 30, 2021 We are all hazarding a guess! Mark P, Canute, CDR_Ret and 3 others 5 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted August 30, 2021 Thanks everyone for the hazardous guesswork. You'll note that the tille (hatchet), couteau (knife) and hausard are all linked by a bracket saying they belong to the barrelmaker. This makes it look very much like the hausard is a tool, rather than a report. Keep the ideas coming! Tony FUTAILLES ET USTENCILES DE TONNELIER.pdf mtaylor, Keith Black and Canute 3 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted August 30, 2021 Share #8 Posted August 30, 2021 Tony, we all love a good mystery. Perhaps these people can help? https://cooperstoolmuseum.com/ They have a contact form within the site. HTH Bruce tkay11, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted August 30, 2021 Share #9 Posted August 30, 2021 Let's get Sandra in here and see if she can shed some light on "un hausard" mtaylor, druxey, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted August 30, 2021 Share #10 Posted August 30, 2021 Sandra doesn't receive PMs so I posted a request for her to join the discussion on her new member introduction. Hopefully she'll have the opportunity to stop by. mtaylor, bruce d, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardG Posted August 31, 2021 Share #11 Posted August 31, 2021 Or ask these folks - https://www.tonnelleriebaron.com/en/tools-and-techniques-of-the-cooperage/. tkay11, Canute, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Richard Current Build: Early 19th Century US Revenue Cutter (Artesania Latina "Dallas" - messed about) Completed Build: Yakatabune - Japanese - Woody Joe mini Member: Nautical Research Guild & Midwest Model Shipwrights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution G. Delacroix Posted August 31, 2021 Solution Share #12 Posted August 31, 2021 Hello There was a small error in the transcription of the manuscript and it seems that it is not "hausard" but "hansard". It is a word originating from Normandy whose modern French synonym is "scie égoïne". It is an alteration of the English "hand saw". GD A "scie égoïne" : mtaylor, tkay11, bruce d and 5 others 5 3 Quote ___________________ Marine et modélisme d'arsenal Website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra Posted August 31, 2021 Share #13 Posted August 31, 2021 Very sorry to arrive "after the battle" and pleased you were able to solve the mystery. I will set my profile to receive PMs. I'll be happy to help with French terms whenever I can. bruce d, allanyed, Canute and 4 others 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share #14 Posted August 31, 2021 That's great. Mystery solved. Thanks to everyone for chipping in. Special thanks to Gérard for the combined research, answer and photo. Welcome also to Sandra, to whom no doubt many of us will return in the future. Tony Canute, Keith Black, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share #15 Posted August 31, 2021 It's also rather nice, but etymologically probably incorrect, that 'hansard' sounds rather like 'handsaw'. It's also possible that memories were triggered by Keith Black's proposal of 'hansard' as the misprint. What a nice forum! Tony Canute, druxey, bruce d and 1 other 4 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 31, 2021 Share #16 Posted August 31, 2021 If the original was in manuscript, 'u' and 'n' are easily coufnsed, I mean confused! BANYAN, Keith Black, mtaylor and 2 others 3 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkay11 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share #17 Posted August 31, 2021 You're right, druxey. Even in re-reading my own handwriting, I often can't see the difference between the way I write 'n' and 'u'. Not so easy to muddle them when typing on a keyboard, which has confusions of its own. Tony mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote === First build: Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne 1763 FINISHED 2nd build: Triton cross-section COMPLETED 3rd build: La Chaloupe Armée / 42ft Armed Longboat of 1834 by tkay11 – scale 1:36, plans by M. Delacroix COMPLETED 4th build: Allège d’Arles 1833 (Ancre) POB by tkay11 – scale 1:100, plans by F. Fissore COMPLETED Working on La Jacinthe 1:96 POB (ANCRE publications) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted August 31, 2021 Share #18 Posted August 31, 2021 3 hours ago, tkay11 said: It's also possible that memories were triggered by Keith Black's proposal of 'hansard' as the misprint. Tony, it was David (druxey) who suggested it was a misprint. 21 hours ago, druxey said: Perhaps either period spelling or misprint? tkay11 and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted August 31, 2021 Share #19 Posted August 31, 2021 Checked on 'hansard' yesterday, as confusing 'u' and 'n' is quite frequent, but none of my dictionaries knew this vernacular term from Normandy ... learned something tkay11, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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