gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Share #1 Posted August 9, 2022 This is a Danish fishing smack built specifically for the eel fishery. She dragged a seine net on the starboard side, the net being attached to the ends of the two spars. There are a lot more details on the research and construction on my club page, but I will copy some of them to this thread. ccoyle, mtaylor, bruce d and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #2 Posted August 9, 2022 Photos of one of its sister ships, Viktoria, owned by the Viking Ship Museum in Roskilde, Denmark mtaylor, druxey, yvesvidal and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted August 9, 2022 With no small amount of extra work on top of the Google results, I have translated two papers about these vessels and one of their builders. https://www.hrsms.org/Content/boatbuilding-on-fejo-and-the-danish-eel-drifters-by-christian-nielsen-a-rough-translation https://www.hrsms.org/Content/dan-viktoria-two-eel-drifters-by-morten-gothche-a-rough-translation/ druxey, grsjax and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #4 Posted August 9, 2022 The keel I made use of a knot to have the stem follow the grain a little better GrandpaPhil, bruce d, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted August 9, 2022 The building jig Transferring shape of stern from port to starboard bruce d, GrandpaPhil, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #6 Posted August 9, 2022 Laying out the planking runs druxey, GrandpaPhil, Mirabell61 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share #7 Posted August 9, 2022 Current state: 1st three strakes Baker, mtaylor, druxey and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 9, 2022 Share #8 Posted August 9, 2022 A very nice looking work boat, and a great start to your model. John mtaylor and gkharrin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithAug Posted August 10, 2022 Share #9 Posted August 10, 2022 Looking like a very interesting build. I think I’ll tag along. gkharrin and mtaylor 2 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share #10 Posted August 17, 2022 On 8/10/2022 at 3:34 AM, KeithAug said: Looking like a very interesting build. I think I’ll tag along. Keith, it will be the slowest train you've ever boarded, but glad to have you along for the ride... mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted August 17, 2022 Share #11 Posted August 17, 2022 Hi GKHARRIN, very nice beginn and build of this boat. It looks like an danish offspring of a Zeesenboot. Wish you much fun with the further build Nils bruce d, mtaylor and gkharrin 3 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share #12 Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mirabell61 said: .... It looks like an danish offspring of a Zeesenboot. Nils It most definitely is. I first learned of eel drifters from this book: All the boats are Danish, with one exception: it includes a German eel drifter for comparison to the Danish one. It specifically states the German boat design was adapted by the Danes. This article (same author) has the same information in somewhat greater detail. However, I'm sorry to say I think the Danish design is the more handsome one 😉 Edited August 17, 2022 by gkharrin Mirabell61, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javlin Posted August 17, 2022 Share #13 Posted August 17, 2022 I think I will watch and see the progression while I work with wood some I have yet to complete a a wood ship. gkharrin and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted August 17, 2022 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2022 Hi Greg, many thanks so much for your information on the danish eeldrifters. Unfortunately the prices (evan for used books) are out of reach in the moment. I certainly would buy the Christian Nielsen publication, and you`re right with the more handsome danish version, also in my opinion. I have gathered three books comprising the Zeesenboot in order to implement as much as possible into my own Zeesenboot build on this MSW forum, and to dig into the historical background of this boat type Regards, Nils mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share #15 Posted August 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Mirabell61 said: Unfortunately the prices (evan for used books) are out of reach in the moment. The sad thing is, I bought the book and decided to build the eel drifter. Years went by and a CD with high-res scans was made available. So I bought that too. More years went by, and now all of the drawings in that book can be downloaded for free from the Maritime Museum of Denmark. This includes the German drifter: Lines Sail plan Construction Maybe you already have these in your research. I'll search out your build log also. wefalck, Mirabell61 and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted August 18, 2022 Share #16 Posted August 18, 2022 Hi Greg, thank you very much for those links, I`m sure they will raise interest by the one or other fellow builder as well Nils mtaylor 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted August 22, 2022 Share #17 Posted August 22, 2022 Not sure that the downloadable files and those on the CD-ROM have the same resolution. I copied the original book way back in 1978 I think, eventually go the real one and the CD-ROM. I wish someone would have measured up the surviving German boats just after WW2 in so much detail, as Nielsen did for the Danish ones. The book includes also a number of German boats, apart from the Zeesboot also a dug-out(!) used in the Kiel Fjord to transport fish to the market, rowed by the fishermen's wives. While there are quite a few drawings made during the early GDR days (by Wolfgang Rudolph) and in the 1990s/2000s in the same area by Helmut Olszak, there is virtually nothing for the area of Western German Baltic and North Sea coast. Will be following the progress on this project, as Nielsen's book has always been a source of inspiration for me. mtaylor 1 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted August 22, 2022 Share #18 Posted August 22, 2022 Just found this interesting build. Nice! mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkharrin Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share #19 Posted August 22, 2022 1 hour ago, wefalck said: Not sure that the downloadable files and those on the CD-ROM have the same resolution. I was certain I had compared them before, but as my memory is highly suspect, I double-checked. The dimensions of the web file and CD ROM files are the same. For example, 8415 x 6139 for the construction drawing of De 13 Søskende. More than adequate for building a model - you can see the grain of the paper. wefalck and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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