woodrat Posted July 23, 2023 Author Share #121 Posted July 23, 2023 (edited) Shown is the reconstructed (imagined) steering mechanism. At this stage of evolution only one steering oar would be present. It was later in the Iron Age that steering oars would appear on both quarters. As it was a requirement that the steering oar have the capacity to be rapidly rotated into a horizontal position during beaching, there must have been a mechanism whereby the steering can be released rapidly from its upright and pulled into a horizontal position by an up haul. I have shown a possible mechanism whereby this could be done. Dick Edited July 23, 2023 by woodrat chris watton, botra288, druxey and 6 others 9 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted March 9 Author Share #122 Posted March 9 I have never been happy with the figurehead which appeared cartoonish. So I have gone back the original potterry images and found this excellent image of the tragana ship The figurehead I couldnt recognise until I suddenly realised that it was in fact a stylised crocodile head with projecting teeth.. I also have done some nose art using an image of a minoan octopus which was much copied by the mycenaeans The octopus would be an appropriate animal for a ship of Poseidon So the latest figurhead is much more threatening. The crocodile would be familiar to mycenaeans who regularly traded with Egypt. Cheeers Dick Thukydides, Siggi52, chris watton and 7 others 9 1 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 9 Share #123 Posted March 9 That looks much better, Dick. Very threatening. But I do wonder whether the occy shouldn't be facing the other way, as that's the direction the ship is travelling. Or are the tentacles facing forward, all the better to deal with the enemy? Steven mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thukydides Posted March 9 Share #124 Posted March 9 I really like the new figurehead Ian_Grant and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Builds: HMS Perseus (Scratch) Completed Builds: Type VII C U Boat (HobbyBoss); HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted March 10 Author Share #125 Posted March 10 Thanks, Steven and Thukydides. The occy is tentacles forward in attack mode so as to intimidate the villagers as the ship roars in. The croc adds to the menace. The mycenaeans were generally not all that nice. They were,after all, pirates. Dick Thukydides, GrandpaPhil, Louie da fly and 1 other 2 2 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted April 23 Author Share #126 Posted April 23 I am really not happy with the octopus. There is no iconographic evidence for its use on galleys or any other ship, so it is gone. I have gone instead for a more austere look. I am happy with the figurehead. Prof Wachsmann has published his thesis that these figureheads reprsent birds' heads and that may be so in most cases but in the case of the Tragana ship the backward curved protuberances on the "beak" resemble no bird I know but would be consistent with a crocodile. Dick Thukydides, Roger Pellett, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boccherini Posted April 24 Share #127 Posted April 24 The octopus gave it the look of a sea going food truck. Not very piratical. Regards, Grant mtaylor and BLACK VIKING 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted April 24 Share #128 Posted April 24 I think you're right in removing the occy, Dick. It did seem out of place. Steven BLACK VIKING and mtaylor 2 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler La Lomellina - Theoretical Reconstruction of a Genoese carrack sunk in 1516 FINISHED Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted April 24 Author Share #129 Posted April 24 5 hours ago, Boccherini said: The octopus gave it the look of a sea going food truck. Not very piratical. Too cruel! But true🐙 Dick mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boccherini Posted April 25 Share #130 Posted April 25 Dick, I should've put a "😀" after "van". My apologies if you interpreted my light hearted comment as criticism. It was not intended as such. Regards, Grant. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted April 25 Author Share #131 Posted April 25 Not at all Grant. I took it in a humorous vein and replied in a jocular fashion. I thought your comment was most apt. Cheers Dick 😁 mtaylor 1 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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