Long9Ron Posted March 5, 2013 #31 Posted March 5, 2013 Ron, If you are referring to the second lower deck beam, its the paper template coming unglued from the wood, but no split. Thanks for keeping an eye out. Thank you Russ. Just trying to keep up with your quality level of work. I'm really enjoying your Biloxi Schooner build. Sorry Bob. It must have been my bad eye site. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
DSiemens Posted March 5, 2013 #32 Posted March 5, 2013 Sorry Bob. It must have been my bad eye site. I think it was a good catch even though it turned out to be nothing. Your welcome to critic my builds any time. Daniel We're ship in bottle builders, it's an occupational hazard. www.siemensbottlingco.blogspot.com http://www.bottledshipbuilder.com Current Builds: Bermuda Sloop Wood Krafters Pirate Ship Completed: 20 Gun Frigate Olympic 470 Bermuda Sloop Super Mini Queen Anne's Revenge German Cutter Mercury Santa Maria
Boccherini Posted March 5, 2013 #33 Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Bob, deck beam jig pictures (design from The Fully Framed Model by David Antscherl). Basic construction, this is a realy rough looking jig (built out of scrap lying around the workshop), but it works well. The height extension on the head of the jig is not neccessary, I put it on to sand the curve into my beam arms. Sand the curve into the underside of the beam as normal, then adjust the depth of the jig and feed the beam in from the left, against the drum rotation. You need to try and keep the curve of the beam at a right angle to the head of the jig whilst feeding it through, my apologies, this is badly described, but I think you will get it. Repeat, gradually screwing the jig toward the drum until you get to the required thickness. I was doing 2 passes through jig between adjustments. Do be aware that you are using a drill press for a job it is not really designed for (horizontal force), it's best not to sand too much at each pass. I hope I haven't offended you by highjacking your log. If you have any queries regarding this, please just ask. Regards, Grant. Edited March 5, 2013 by Boccherini Saburo 1
bbrockel Posted March 5, 2013 Author #34 Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) Don't apoligize, Grant. You didn't highjack my thread in any way. Great jig for lending curve to the deck beams. Thanks for the pics. Ron, please feel free to point out anything you see amiss. Daniel is right, good catch. I might have missed something. That's why the many eyes here on the forum are so valuable. Particularly to a novice like me. Edited March 5, 2013 by bbrockel "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
42rocker Posted March 5, 2013 #35 Posted March 5, 2013 Grant What did you do to highlight the seams?? On your outside planking that is?? Thanks Good Luck on the build. Later 42rocker Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section
bbrockel Posted March 5, 2013 Author #36 Posted March 5, 2013 Rocker, the caulking on the hull planks is black construction paper, cut into thin strips and glued to the thin edge of a plank. Once I have several planks with the caulking, I use 220-grit sand paper to sand the 'caulking' flush with the planks. Take a brush and occasionaly brush away the fine paper dust left from sanding so you don't grind the paper dust into the wood. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
bbrockel Posted March 5, 2013 Author #37 Posted March 5, 2013 I have a question for the TRITON Cross Setion builders. Is there a practicum for this build? I have seen it mentioned in a couple of the builds, but have not been able to find one. I have all the plans printed and placed in a notebook but nothing on a practicum. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
Pete38 Posted March 5, 2013 #38 Posted March 5, 2013 Bob I have never seen a practicum for the build. Only the other builders and their logs. It would be nice to have one but don't think there is one. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
bbrockel Posted March 6, 2013 Author #39 Posted March 6, 2013 Thanks, Pete. Sounds like good advice. I was just curious. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
Boccherini Posted March 6, 2013 #40 Posted March 6, 2013 Bob, Pete has it right, there were only other build logs as references. Several were very good, but that is all past history. I see Joss (Matrim) has reposted his build log along with a couple of others. The Fully Framed Model books by David Antscherl are very helpful if you are looking for guidance on construction methods and extra detail. Regrads, Grant.
Matrim Posted March 6, 2013 #41 Posted March 6, 2013 Check out Uweks build as he was the member who put the most detail into how and why - his log is gradually getting reposted up again (and is quite large). That will help out with the order of building. What you tend to find though is that members used to copy what they liked out of individual logs so you might use one persons caulking method but another's method of coppering. If there is no advice covering anything you need to know then ask in your log. The biggest advantage the site still retains is that there are a large number of people who have completed the cross section (and full build plus the Echo build now) - even if their logs have gone. So essentially there are a lot of people who have addressed the very thing you are looking at and should hopefully have an answer. Joss mtaylor and Saburo 2 ...
bbrockel Posted March 6, 2013 Author #42 Posted March 6, 2013 Thank you Joss and Grant for your guidance. Grant, I have the TFFM series and will refer to them. Also Just acquired a copy of Peter Goodwin's "The Construction and Fitting of the English Man-of-War". Both very good references. Joss, Uweks build is also a great reference. Have been following it as it develops here on MSW 2.0. Saburo 1 "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
Paddy Posted March 20, 2013 #43 Posted March 20, 2013 Christian, Ron, Rocker and Grant. Thank you all for looking in on my build and your kind words. The idea for the extended keel to screw it down to the build board came from another member here on the forum prior to the "Great Crash". I just borrowed it. Hello Bob, You've solved one issue for me already with the extended keel. Man, I've got to get that GBB completed so I can get underway. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
bbrockel Posted March 20, 2013 Author #44 Posted March 20, 2013 Patrick, take your time on your gantry build board. Make sure everything is square to the board. You're going to use this board on many future builds and you want to get it right the first time. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
bbrockel Posted April 11, 2013 Author #45 Posted April 11, 2013 Just found a major boo-boo. I miscounted the number of rows of planks on the starboard side verses the port side. UGH! Looks like I'll have to remove the wales and that beautiful anchor stock planking on the starboard side to add another row of planking. And as I have said before, the pain subsided once I quit banging my head on the wall. Saburo 1 "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
Paddy Posted April 11, 2013 #46 Posted April 11, 2013 That's beautiful planking to have to pull up but I'll bet you recover just fine. Saburo 1 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
russ Posted April 11, 2013 #47 Posted April 11, 2013 Bob: As I understand it, one side has the wales sitting too low? Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
bbrockel Posted April 11, 2013 Author #48 Posted April 11, 2013 Russ, that is correct, the wales and the anchor stock planking, will have to be removed. Abou7t half way thru removing the planks. Just removed the bottom waleand the anchor stoc planking, not I can add the missing row and re add the planking and the new wale. "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
russ Posted April 11, 2013 #49 Posted April 11, 2013 Bob: I see. In future, always measure for and set the wales first, and then plank below them. This will save you having to go through this again. Good luck. Russ bbrockel, Saburo and rummy 3 T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
DSiemens Posted April 11, 2013 #50 Posted April 11, 2013 You shouldn't have said anything we wouldn't have noticed. I'm sure you'll be happier after the redo. Daniel We're ship in bottle builders, it's an occupational hazard. www.siemensbottlingco.blogspot.com http://www.bottledshipbuilder.com Current Builds: Bermuda Sloop Wood Krafters Pirate Ship Completed: 20 Gun Frigate Olympic 470 Bermuda Sloop Super Mini Queen Anne's Revenge German Cutter Mercury Santa Maria
Pete38 Posted April 12, 2013 #51 Posted April 12, 2013 Bob Sorry to see the beautiful planking needed pulling. Looking at the pictures I still did not see it until I read your latter post, I am sure you will feel better knowing that the planking will now match. Beautiful work Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
bbrockel Posted April 12, 2013 Author #52 Posted April 12, 2013 Russ, a very valuable lesson learned here. Daniel, I thought long and hard about doing just that, then decided to do it the right way. Pete38, thanks for the condolences. I will definitely feel better redoing the planking corectly. augie 1 "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
Long9Ron Posted April 12, 2013 #53 Posted April 12, 2013 Bob Nice planking. Show us some pictures after the redo. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
DSiemens Posted April 12, 2013 #54 Posted April 12, 2013 I totally understand Bob. We would never know but you would and it would bug you every time you looked at it. You'll enjoy it all the more after the redo. bbrockel 1 Daniel We're ship in bottle builders, it's an occupational hazard. www.siemensbottlingco.blogspot.com http://www.bottledshipbuilder.com Current Builds: Bermuda Sloop Wood Krafters Pirate Ship Completed: 20 Gun Frigate Olympic 470 Bermuda Sloop Super Mini Queen Anne's Revenge German Cutter Mercury Santa Maria
Matrim Posted April 12, 2013 #55 Posted April 12, 2013 Alternately copper plate (even just one side). Plus that is something that no-one will notice. If it bugs you then you'll have to get it done but it is not a hanging offense.. bbrockel 1 ...
rummy Posted April 12, 2013 #56 Posted April 12, 2013 Bob that is very nice planking.I had a the same problem and just left it and I kick myself every day.You made the right choise. Larry bbrockel 1 With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL
bbrockel Posted April 12, 2013 Author #57 Posted April 12, 2013 Dan, Matrim and Ron, thank you for confirming I'm doing right by redoing the planking. I've got most of the old planks removed and am starting on the new ones. I feel better about my decision now. And the bumps on my head are healing very well. mtaylor 1 "I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate " Current builds: H.M.S. TRITON Cross Section by Bbrockel - Scratch Build - Scale 1:48 US Brig Syren by Bbrockel - Model Shipways -Scale 1:64
SaturnV Posted April 22, 2013 #58 Posted April 22, 2013 Hey, I found you Bob! Nice looking work on the cross-section. You jumped ahead of me on scratch building as I am still trying to finish the Pinco kit. As soon as that project is done I will join you in the scratch building world. So far you seem to be doing quite well with it. Did you get anything from the wood working store on Saturday? Maybe a bandsaw? I picked up a Jet 1220vs lathe so the wife could join me in the woodworking hobby (getting her to build model ships is next). Richard
Anja Posted June 12, 2013 #59 Posted June 12, 2013 Hello Bob, Have a great day, Anja Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
Pete38 Posted June 12, 2013 #60 Posted June 12, 2013 Bob Have a great day HAPPY BIRTHDAY Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
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