Bismarck by Ian B - Amati - 1/200

[Ian B]

At last the waiting is over for me, my new workshop is ready, my last build complete, the corner of the dinning room and the table has been returned to my long suffering Wife, so a fresh start all round  .

 

 

I have watched @hof00@ted99 @rvchima and @Joe100 builds and comments now its my turn LOL

 

So let the fun begin

 

 

[targa4403]

Hello,

I too am in the process of building the Bismarck.  Here is a link to a group of videos that someone has put together on building the model ship.  Hope it helps.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wernerweiss]

Hello Ian B, targa4403, 

I built this model a few years ago, you will find pictures of it in the gallery.

Enjoy your build,

 

Regards

 

Werner 

Edited March 7, 2023 by wernerweiss
Complemented the text

[Ian B]

31 minutes ago, targa4403 said:

Hello,

I too am in the process of building the Bismarck.  Here is a link to a group of videos that someone has put together on building the model ship.  Hope it helps.

 

 

 

Fab-- will do

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ian B]

17 minutes ago, wernerweiss said:

Hello Ian B, targa4403, 

I built this model a few years ago, you will find pictures of it in the gallery.

Enjoy your build,

 

Regards

 

Werner 

Super-thanks Werner- I will definitely check it out

[Joe100]

If you need any technical assistance, let me know.

[Ian B]

52 minutes ago, Joe100 said:

If you need any technical assistance, let me know.

I certainly will.. initially when I install the bow as I want to incorporate the underwater sonar panels and bits 

[hof00]

11 hours ago, Ian B said:

At last the waiting is over for me, my new workshop is ready, my last build complete, the corner of the dinning room and the table has been returned to my long suffering Wife, so a fresh start all round  .

 

 

I have watched @hof00@ted99 @rvchima and @Joe100 builds and comments now its my turn LOL

 

So let the fun begin

 

 

Nice one Ian!!

I'll be following your build with interest.

 

(Ps. I'm still struggling with the Main Deck Rail Stanchions and provided "Thread."

I have ordered the Eduard 1/200 Chain Link Railing from Super Hobby out of sheer frustration. The photos of this stuff look good anyway. I will post my experiences when I receive this in two - four weeks, hopefully....)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

[Ian B]

11 hours ago, hof00 said:

Nice one Ian!!

I'll be following your build with interest.

 

(Ps. I'm still struggling with the Main Deck Rail Stanchions and provided "Thread."

I have ordered the Eduard 1/200 Chain Link Railing from Super Hobby out of sheer frustration. The photos of this stuff look good anyway. I will post my experiences when I receive this in two - four weeks, hopefully....)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

As we go along I am relying on everyone here shouting when I get to any bit/section that either needs correcting or advice where you had issues-- Make my life a fraction easier    'Standing on the shoulders of Giants' I think the expression goes...

[Ian B]

Well I started the easy bit----- Wow was it not straight when I joined the two parts together-  I know she went round in circles before she sunk-- she would have gone round in circles when she was launched LOl  

[targa4403]

13 hours ago, hof00 said:

Nice one Ian!!

I'll be following your build with interest.

 

(Ps. I'm still struggling with the Main Deck Rail Stanchions and provided "Thread."

I have ordered the Eduard 1/200 Chain Link Railing from Super Hobby out of sheer frustration. The photos of this stuff look good anyway. I will post my experiences when I receive this in two - four weeks, hopefully....)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

what a great idea.  I know exactly what you mean.  How many sheets did you require for this task?

[Ian B]

Blimey --Parts 4 to 5 (vertical frame for the stern section) just as bad as the two deck halves earlier.  What a terrible fit for such and expensive kit !!!

 

 

[hof00]

13 hours ago, targa4403 said:

what a great idea.  I know exactly what you mean.  How many sheets did you require for this task?

Hi Targa,

I have the many Stanchions, double/single, easy to space and drill, but, having pre-painted, all the tny holes are partially clogged. I don't have a drill bit small enough and a pin is too large.

 

So, out of sheer frustration I made the Eduard order, for Trumpeter but should be fine for Amati, same length, etc.

The Hull is about 2.5m both sides inc. so how many sheets? I don't know. Enough for 2.5m?

I guess I'll see when it arrives.

 

(Apologies for hijacking your thread, Ian.)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

 

 

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[hof00]

11 hours ago, Ian B said:

Blimey --Parts 4 to 5 (vertical frame for the stern section) just as bad as the two deck halves earlier.  What a terrible fit for such and expensive kit !!!

 

 

Hi Ian,

Not such a wonderful fit at all.

Should be relatively easy to rectify?

 

Cheers....HOF.

[Ian B]

5 hours ago, hof00 said:

Hi Targa,

I have the many Stanchions, double/single, easy to space and drill, but, having pre-painted, all the tny holes are partially clogged. I don't have a drill bit small enough and a pin is too large.

 

So, out of sheer frustration I made the Eduard order, for Trumpeter but should be fine for Amati, same length, etc.

The Hull is about 2.5m both sides inc. so how many sheets? I don't know. Enough for 2.5m?

I guess I'll see when it arrives.

 

(Apologies for hijacking your thread, Ian.)

 

Cheers and Regards,

 

Harry.

 

 

...

No happy to have side conversations were all doing the same build ...

[stuglo]

4 minutes ago, Ian B said:

No happy to have side conversations were all doing the same build ...

I'm spending more time correcting the wooden parts than I would have if I made them from scratch. The design is really good, the the fun in the project drains away with the frustration and annoyance. The old kits I built were far less inaccurate. ? Imperfect or inappropriate use of modern technology + lack of consideration for the purchaser/builder?

[Ian B]

2 hours ago, stuglo said:

I'm spending more time correcting the wooden parts than I would have if I made them from scratch. The design is really good, the the fun in the project drains away with the frustration and annoyance. The old kits I built were far less inaccurate. ? Imperfect or inappropriate use of modern technology + lack of consideration for the purchaser/builder?

LOL-- but I'm pragmatic- Just take it one step at a time.. Mind you there should be no excuse for any manufacturer not to have correctly fitting laser cut parts. 

[targa4403]

On 3/8/2023 at 10:14 AM, Ian B said:

Blimey --Parts 4 to 5 (vertical frame for the stern section) just as bad as the two deck halves earlier.  What a terrible fit for such and expensive kit !!!

 

 

I put little wedges in the gaps to tighten the joints.  Seems to have worked for me.

[stuglo]

On 3/9/2023 at 9:36 AM, stuglo said:

I'm spending more time correcting the wooden parts than I would have if I made them from scratch. The design is really good, the the fun in the project drains away with the frustration and annoyance. The old kits I built were far less inaccurate. ? Imperfect or inappropriate use of modern technology + lack of consideration for the purchaser/builder?

In fairness, I must update these comments, because as I proceed with the build, the PE and plastic parts are really compensating for the initial frustration. The amount of work and expertise that must have gone into the planning details is phenomenal. The issue with the wood should be easily rectified; then the kit will be perfect. 

[Ian B]

First planking of the hull ticked off

[hof00]

Looking really good!!

[Ian B]

slightly confused during dry fit of top decks--- advice anyone?

The hull is perfectly flat and so are the deck main and stern sections  --yet  the bow kicks up quite a bit it seems far to much for just a bit of sanding-- is it supposed to? I cant work out if it is wrong or right (i suspect wrong lol ). I just need to check the whole deck is supposed to be flat before I take lots of corrective action?

 

[wernerweiss]

Hello Ian, 

The sheer from the center towards the bow is right and there should be a sheer toward the stern as well, but this is not as distinctive as the sheer forward. I would say there is no problem if you build a flat deck in the aft section.

I suggest to have a look on the models of Peter Beisheim or Rüdiger Eschker for example....

Edited April 3, 2023 by wernerweiss

[ddp]

it appears to supposed to have a sheer at both ends according to this 1st drawing. also link to download complete set of plans. https://archive.org/details/yn509bogp193x

[Ian B]

Super thanks both.i can sort the rear shear and leave the front 😁

[ddp]

no problem.

[ddp]

Ian, if the middle & stern decks are not glued down to the frames then could put shims in under the decks to build up the right amount of sheer for those 2 deck pieces.

[Joe100]

Be careful of using those drawings. Those are first drafts, and not how the ship appeared. I recently used those at a university talk I gave on Bismarck to demonstrate how much was changed.

[Ian B]

Whilst waiting for the glue to dry , I have been working on the Bow casting.

1. mooring hole drilled

2.first filing of the sonar sensors

3. drilled the hole for the bugspiere.

 

 

[ddp]

i don't see any sonar ports in the bulbous bow in this link. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-launching-of-the-battleship-bismarck-in-hamburg-1939-37005865.html?imageid=6980C079-3173-4F05-ADDA-EB82E5E33A88&p=291611&pn=1&searchId=6e2d733b32b38bc8390c317c0395e4c5&searchtype=0

 

read this link as ship supposedly did not have active sonar. http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140

Edited April 4, 2023 by ddp