allanyed Posted March 31, 2023 Share #1 Posted March 31, 2023 https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/spices-500-year-old-shipwreck-baltic Knocklouder, davyboy, trippwj and 4 others 4 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 31, 2023 Share #2 Posted March 31, 2023 Remarkable how the saffron has retained its color! thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 31, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted March 31, 2023 As remarkable is that saffron is the most expensive food on earth, far more than even white truffles and caviar. But, a little rice, seafood and saffron and paella on the menu! Allan druxey, mtaylor and thibaultron 1 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted March 31, 2023 Share #4 Posted March 31, 2023 If I remember it correctly, the Baltic has a relatively low salinity, its depths have a very low oxygen concentration, it is dark, it is cold. Increased pressure lowers the freezing point of water, so the temp can be well below 0 degrees C. An environment where there is little to breakdown organic molecules. I suspect that re-exposure to normal atmosphere and temp will have the forces for natural recycling on afterburners. mtaylor, allanyed and thibaultron 3 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 31, 2023 Share #5 Posted March 31, 2023 9 hours ago, Jaager said: If I remember it correctly, the Baltic has a relatively low salinity, its depths have a very low oxygen concentration, it is dark, it is cold. Increased pressure lowers the freezing point of water, so the temp can be well below 0 degrees C. An environment where there is little to breakdown organic molecules. I suspect that re-exposure to normal atmosphere and temp will have the forces for natural recycling on afterburners. You and those who explored the wreck and studied the spices are saying the same thing. thibaultron 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Seiler Posted April 1, 2023 Share #6 Posted April 1, 2023 Do we know what kind of ship it was? Hulk, caravel, carrack? 1495 was only three years after Columbus "discovered" America, but managed to NOT find a route to the Indies (where many of these spices came from). I don't recall if the Portuguese had established a route around Africa by then, or not. I don't think so. As a result, all trade from the spice areas was dominated by the Arabs/Muslims and subject to significant price hikes. The king and extremely wealthy were likely the only ones to afford them. mtaylor 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, John Smith Shallop Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch 1/4 scale-Model Shipways plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted April 1, 2023 Share #7 Posted April 1, 2023 Vasco da Gama - first round the Cape of Good hope to India in 1497-1499. So yes, these spices came the traditional way - over land and through several middle men. Gribshunden was a royal carrack, as far as they've been able to make out. She was the king's flagship. But nomenclature varies - as far as I'm aware, what we call a carrack was referred to in Scandinavia as a Kravell (from caravel). Here's her dragon (griffin-hound, actually) figurehead being retrieved from the Baltic: Steven Chuck Seiler, mtaylor, trippwj and 2 others 4 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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