Diver Posted October 9, 2023 Share #1 Posted October 9, 2023 I have started my second build, the Sanson Tug. There are no instruction included with this kit, it is done through You Tube videos, 18 in total. The 3 piece frames and keel are all glued up. The dove tail joints are all a bit sloppy so reinforcement was added to one side. I will add the frames to the keel next and add the longitudinal braces. #11 frame is very loose so special care will be taken. yvesvidal, scrubbyj427, Ryland Craze and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdpic Posted October 10, 2023 Share #2 Posted October 10, 2023 Looks like a handsome tug. Do you plan to do RC or just a static model? Quote - Gary Current Build: Artesania Latina Sopwith Camel Completed Builds: Blue Jacket America 1/48th Annapolis Wherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 10, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted October 10, 2023 10 hours ago, gsdpic said: Looks like a handsome tug. Do you plan to do RC or just a static model? I have not yet decided about installing the R/C bits. My plan is to build it watertight and ready for R/C. The You Tube videos do not show how the parts would be installed, but there is ample room in the hull, I think. As I get further along a final decision will be made. hof00 and gsdpic 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 12, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted October 12, 2023 I have completed chapter one. The horizontal piece near the stem kept creeping back from the frame. I glued a piece of scrap in, problem solved. To get the frames 90 degrees to the keel Glue was applied, frame installed, and then inverted and a square clamped on . All frames 90 are .degrees to the keel. The fit off all the joints are a bit sloppy so care must be taken to get good fits. On to chapter two hof00, Ryland Craze, Matt D and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 13, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted October 13, 2023 I get smarter in my old age. The deck was dry fitted, and some chamfers filed into the holes that go over the frames. It was easier to do this now, it would be near impossible once the deck is planked gsdpic, Ryland Craze and hof00 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted October 13, 2023 Share #6 Posted October 13, 2023 That is a beautiful model. I will follow your progress. Yves Diver and hof00 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted October 13, 2023 Share #7 Posted October 13, 2023 Very nice!! The "Upgraded" version does lend itself to what looks like a straightforward Radio installation if that's the way you go. I saw a build log some time ago with a conversion of the "Old" kit to R/C. (I don't believe it was ever completed.) Cheers....HOF. Ryland Craze and Diver 2 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted October 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, hof00 said: Very nice!! The "Upgraded" version does lend itself to what looks like a straightforward Radio installation if that's the way you go. I saw a build log some time ago with a conversion of the "Old" kit to R/C. (I don't believe it was ever completed.) Cheers....HOF. Thanks for looking in. Not sure if I will go RC or not. Will make the decision soon. I will be doing the LED lighting kit. hof00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted October 14, 2023 Share #9 Posted October 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Diver said: Thanks for looking in. Not sure if I will go RC or not. Will make the decision soon. I will be doing the LED lighting kit. Very good. Is there a LED lighting kit for the "Upgraded" version also? (I did my own Lighting kit.... 😑) Cheers.... HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 14, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted October 14, 2023 3 hours ago, hof00 said: Very good. Is there a LED lighting kit for the "Upgraded" version also? (I did my own Lighting kit.... 😑) Cheers.... HOF. There is a kit from Artesania Latina that they list as an option for the Sanson. It might just be a generic kit for all there models, but it comes with ever thing needed. hof00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted October 16, 2023 Started planking the main deck. A centre line was established and the the first planks are the short ones amidships. Right away a problem was noticed that not all things are equal. I had to take a small sliver out of one plank, and then make a thinner plank to finish that run. Planks were the run straight to the stern and two smaller planks were fitted to keep things equal. The rest should present no problems. The deck planking in this kit is not very uniform. They are different widths and thicknesses. Some are so thin they are unusable hof00, yvesvidal and Ryland Craze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 17, 2023 Author Share #12 Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) The main deck planking is complete, and dry fitted to the keel and frames. All seems to line up properly. Next step is to put a finish on the deck before gluing. The construction video has you pencil lines on the deck after planking is complete. I pencilled one side of each plank before installing, I think it looks good. Edited October 17, 2023 by Diver grammer hof00, robdurant and Ryland Craze 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdurant Posted October 17, 2023 Share #13 Posted October 17, 2023 That deck looks great. Thanks for sharing this build, I'm enjoying following along. Diver and hof00 2 Quote Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted October 18, 2023 Share #14 Posted October 18, 2023 Hi Chap, Looking very "Sharp!!" Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted October 18, 2023 Share #15 Posted October 18, 2023 This looks like an interesting model, Bob. I'll come along for the show. Good luck! Diver 1 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Jarman Posted October 18, 2023 Share #16 Posted October 18, 2023 Looking good,I will follow along. I built the older version of this a few years ago.Looks like it has been improved quite a bit. Diver 1 Quote In work: -queen-mary-2 Finished: rms-titanic-1912 Finished: king-of-the-Mississippi Finished: Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share #17 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Last night the planked deck was glued to the frames and clamped. I must of had to much glue in holes that go over the frames as there are now some noticeable bulges near the stem. The planking is so thin that I will not be able to sand them out. They are close enough to the bulwark that they will be out of site. If not, some type of deck furniture will be used. The tops of the frames were sanded and tapered so this is a warning for any future builders Edited October 18, 2023 by Diver spelling hof00 and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share #18 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Diver said: Last night the planked deck was glued to the frames and clamped. I must of had to much glue in holes that go over the frames as there are now some noticeable bulges near the stem. The planking is so thin that I will not be able to sand them out. They are close enough to the bulwark that they will be out of site. If not, some type of deck furniture will be used. The tops of the frames were sanded and tapered so this is a warning for any future builders I am going to have to have a serious look at correcting this issue. The bulges may interfere with the installation of the waterways when they are installed. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. We are off to Ottawa tomorrow for a couple of days, some hobby shops must be visited. I need some material so I can complete the Syren Medway longboat rigging. Edited October 18, 2023 by Diver Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted October 18, 2023 Disaster averted. I managed to un glue the joints and raise the deck enough to clean everything up. I will give a light sand after the new glue dries, should be OK. Paul Le Wol, BobG, ccoyle and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdurant Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20 Posted October 19, 2023 Glad to hear you managed to remedy the situation. hof00 1 Quote Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted October 19, 2023 Share #21 Posted October 19, 2023 Nice Save!! (That Decking must be very thin, 0.25mm?) Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 19, 2023 Author Share #22 Posted October 19, 2023 4 hours ago, hof00 said: Nice Save!! (That Decking must be very thin, 0.25mm?) Cheers....HOF. Good morning Harry. The decking material ranges in size from .19mm to .36mm. The majority are about .30mm. As said earlier, some of the planking is useless. If I run out of good stuff I will try and make my own. This is an enjoyable build, but I think a build sheet should accompany the Videos. A novice with no experience may run into problems. I consider myself an experienced novice, still lots to learn. hof00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted October 20, 2023 Share #23 Posted October 20, 2023 Hi Chap, My experience with A/L kits, Decking is usually 0.5mm thick. Have you thought about dropping A/L a line to express your displeasure? (Maybe you could request replacement Planking?) Cheers.... HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share #24 Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) I am working on chapter 3. The videos have you shape, paint and install the main bulwarks. When that is done you sand the transom to the correct angle so the last piece can be installed. I chose to make a card template so that I could sand and test fit. This is a crucial part as the hull planking must come up flush with this piece. Once I have a good fit here, the main bulwarks will be glued in place. They are plywood and somewhat fragile, no need to damage them when moving things about while sanding. I am almost there, just a little bit to go. Edited October 23, 2023 by Diver hof00, BobG, yvesvidal and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share #25 Posted November 29, 2023 I took some time off from Sanson to complete my Syren Medway longboat. I have installed the bulwarks and the curved bit around the stern. This piece was heated with steam and shaped around a can of tomatoes. To hold its shape while it cooled a rubber band was put between the two holes with scrap wood to hold it.. Shaping the stern was a lot of sanding and dry fitting, and I still had to do some carving after it was glued in place. The tabs that are built into the deck to position this piece are more hazard than help. I just ordered the paint kit and LED light kits from Ages of Sail so I will be able to proceed. BobG, hof00 and yvesvidal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted November 30, 2023 Share #26 Posted November 30, 2023 Looking really good!! I had issues with the Stern Bulwark also and ended up using the "Shattered" kit ply piece as a template for two 1/32 ply laminations, I'll be interested seeing the lighting kit . Cheers.... HOF Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share #27 Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, hof00 said: Looking really good!! I had issues with the Stern Bulwark also and ended up using the "Shattered" kit ply piece as a template for two 1/32 ply laminations, I'll be interested seeing the lighting kit . Cheers.... HOF Thanks for looking in. I think that the stern bulwark could be better designed. They are asking a lot, compound curve over a tapered frame, with a single fragile piece. Edited November 30, 2023 by Diver spelling hof00 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share #28 Posted December 3, 2023 Today some more planking was done on the deck pieces. Unfortunately I got ahead of myself and cut out some decking that should have remained. This is we’re I think drawings should be included with a kit. My bad but I will be able to fit some replacement decking later on. A dry fit was done to ensure that my fix will work. Some more sanding on the decks and then some WOP will be applied. Reminder to self: SLOW DOWN and look ahead. Ryland Craze, ccoyle, hof00 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobG Posted December 3, 2023 Share #29 Posted December 3, 2023 This is a really interesting build, Bob. Nice job so far! SiriusVoyager and hof00 2 Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diver Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share #30 Posted December 3, 2023 29 minutes ago, BobG said: This is a really interesting build, Bob. Nice job so far! Thanks for looking in Bob. It really frustrates me when I do avoidable mistakes. I did all the planking and then proceeded to cut slots that should have remained covered with the planks. I am working on a fix and will post photos when done. This is an enjoyable build and I really like the look of the Tug. As mentioned earlier, I do think and instruction booklet would supplement the build videos. hof00, BobG and SiriusVoyager 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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