Blue Ensign Posted December 21, 2023 Share #1 Posted December 21, 2023 HMS Indefatigable - 1:64 scale – The Art of Age of Sail I just randomly came across this, another 1:64 scale kit out of MarisStella To early to say how it will compare with Vanguard's kit, but there are some photos on the link above. B.E. Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myxyzptlyk2003 Posted December 21, 2023 Share #2 Posted December 21, 2023 If it is like a number of their other kits, their instructions include only computer generated pictures. Never actual pictures of the model. I had to put the one I was working on back on the shelf as it was impossible for me to figure out what goes where. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodosius Posted December 21, 2023 Share #3 Posted December 21, 2023 I don't know this brand, but it's a 'funny', äh, 'coincidence', that the last one was Speedy, and now Indy, just two models, where another brand (vanguard models) came out earlier with full plans and research... mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted December 21, 2023 Share #4 Posted December 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Blue Ensign said: another 1:64 scale kit out of MarisStella But MarisStella are not responsible for the design. It's from the same designer behind MarisStella's Ontario and Speedy kits -- we have reviews of both kits in the reviews section. Neither kit has yet been the subject of a build log, probably because both are pretty expensive compared to comparable kits from other manufacturers. Speedy is available from ModelExpo for $700, which is roughly twice the cost of the same subject from Vanguard Models. Ontario is also available from ME for the eye-watering price of $825. Canute, CiscoH, Gregory and 3 others 6 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martes Posted December 21, 2023 Share #5 Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Theodosius said: I don't know this brand, but it's a 'funny', äh, 'coincidence', that the last one was Speedy, and now Indy, just two models, where another brand (vanguard models) came out earlier with full plans and research... The kit appears to be based on a reconstruction that had been around since at least in 2017, when I found it, probably done even earlier. Edited December 21, 2023 by Martes mtaylor, Canute and The Art of Age of Sail 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Age of Sail Posted December 21, 2023 Share #6 Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Martes said: The kit appears to be based on a reconstruction that had been around since at least in 2017, when I found it, probably done even earlier. Thank you for that, the original build was in 2014, but close enough! Canute, mtaylor, JeffT and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martes Posted December 22, 2023 Share #7 Posted December 22, 2023 @The Art of Age of Sail, I was looking for materials about the Indefatigable around 2017 and your reconstruction was almost the first I encountered then, so I clearly remember it. I think the model in Naval Action/Ultimate Admiral computer games is also based on your project. mtaylor, The Art of Age of Sail, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theodosius Posted December 22, 2023 Share #8 Posted December 22, 2023 15 hours ago, Martes said: The kit appears to be based on a reconstruction that had been around since at least in 2017, when I found it, probably done even earlier. Thank you for pointing that out! So the new Indy is then also a new construction! My respect for everyone who has worked on this! My first skepticism was just because there seems to bee more and more POF kits are commin, most out of the south asian region, and per coincidence, models where a monography in some way allready exists. Canute, The Art of Age of Sail and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Age of Sail Posted December 22, 2023 Share #9 Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Martes said: @The Art of Age of Sail, I was looking for materials about the Indefatigable around 2017 and your reconstruction was almost the first I encountered then, so I clearly remember it. I think the model in Naval Action/Ultimate Admiral computer games is also based on your project. Yes, worked with Naval Action to get both Ontario and Indefatigable in the game, they called the Ontario 'The Snow', I believe!? Was/is quite a popular ship at the beginning of the game, not so much when coming up against a Victory later in the game LOL. Edited December 22, 2023 by The Art of Age of Sail mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Age of Sail Posted December 22, 2023 Share #10 Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) On 12/21/2023 at 9:52 AM, Theodosius said: I don't know this brand, but it's a 'funny', äh, 'coincidence', that the last one was Speedy, and now Indy, just two models, where another brand (vanguard models) came out earlier with full plans and research... Don't think there's any conspiracies here, either way. Both developments seem to have been completely independant from each other! Edited December 22, 2023 by The Art of Age of Sail Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martes Posted December 22, 2023 Share #11 Posted December 22, 2023 Indy is a popular ship, after all The Art of Age of Sail, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Age of Sail Posted December 22, 2023 Share #12 Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) On 12/21/2023 at 9:48 AM, myxyzptlyk2003 said: If it is like a number of their other kits, their instructions include only computer generated pictures. Never actual pictures of the model. I had to put the one I was working on back on the shelf as it was impossible for me to figure out what goes where. Yes, you're right! The ball was dropped a bit when the Ontario kit was in her original release. The release coinciding with the global pandemic did not help any either! Version 3.1 is a greatly improved and overhauled version, a number of 'real' builds are on the way and coming very soon to a theater near you Edited December 22, 2023 by The Art of Age of Sail Canute, mtaylor and SighingDutchman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Age of Sail Posted January 4 Share #13 Posted January 4 On 12/21/2023 at 10:13 AM, ccoyle said: But MarisStella are not responsible for the design. It's from the same designer behind MarisStella's Ontario and Speedy kits -- we have reviews of both kits in the reviews section. Neither kit has yet been the subject of a build log, probably because both are pretty expensive compared to comparable kits from other manufacturers. Speedy is available from ModelExpo for $700, which is roughly twice the cost of the same subject from Vanguard Models. Ontario is also available from ME for the eye-watering price of $825. Hey Chris, Don't forget they are both at the much bigger scale of 1/48, and a bit of shopping around may not hurt either! Happy New Year! John Andela mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 4 Share #14 Posted January 4 3 hours ago, The Art of Age of Sail said: Don't forget they are both at the much bigger scale of 1/48, and a bit of shopping around may not hurt either! That is true. 1/48 does mean more materials and therefore most cost. The 1/64 scale Indy is pretty large for the average modeler's display needs, and 1/48 will of course take up even more space. That's one reason why I selected a 1/72 scale brigantine for my current project. The admiral is still not fully aware that I have started it. 😏 oakheart, SighingDutchman, Ryland Craze and 4 others 7 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Ensign Posted January 5 Author Share #15 Posted January 5 You are right Chris, As a builder of the 1/64 scale Vanguard' Indy' I can attest that it is a large and heavy model on its building board, and at times moving it around to work on can get quite wearing. Fully rigged, this model will require a significant display area, and I don't think I could accommodate a 1:48 scale version. The link on my original post to 'The art of age of sail' shows the scale as 1:64? B.E. Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build: HMS Indefatigable-1794-by-blue-ensign-vanguard-models-164-scale Medway-longboat-1742-by-blue-ensign-½”-scale Completed builds: HMS Sphinx 1775 by Blue Ensign. 1:64 scale - Vanguard Models Queen-Anne-Royal-Barge-circa-1700-by-Blue-Ensign Fifie fishing boat Lady Eleanor Muirneag-1903-–-a-scottish-zulu-fishing-boat-164-scale-based-on-the-vanguard-models-zulu-kit/ HM Cutter Alert 1777 HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 18th-century-English-longboat-by-Blue-Ensign-ms-148-scale/ finished 18thc English Pinnace by Blue Ensign-Model-Shipways-1:24 scale/ finished HMS-Pegasus-by-Blue-Ensign-finished-Victory-Models-1:64-scale/ Heller Seventy-four 1:150 scale - modified Le Superbe/Le Glorieux kit after Boudriot, waterline setting with sails. The schooner Pickle, Jotika pob kit 1:64 scale, my interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robdurant Posted January 5 Share #16 Posted January 5 Having built a vanguard model, and having almost finished MarisStella's largest model to date, I can say that the instructions are like night and day. Vanguard hold your hand throughout, making even the most complex of their models something that can be achieved with perseverance and patience. MarisStella provide many plans, but drawing them together and planning a build sequence or working out what tool to use for what task is left in many ways to the builder. Both fun to build (if you're happy to invest all the time required for the choice you make), and neither approach is wrong, but I would definitely expect a far steeper learning curve with MarisStella if it's similar to Barque Stefano. JeffT, Canute, AJohnson and 1 other 4 Quote Current build(s): Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler "Erycina" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) Paused on the lofting floor: HMS Bristol Portland class 50-Gun Ship (Scratch build, 1:64) Paused builds: Barque "Stefano" (MarisStella, 1:63) / Trawler "Nordkap" (Billings Boats, 1:50) / HMS Triton 28 gun frigate cross section (1:64) / F138, HMS Rapid Type 15 Fast Anti-Submarine Frigate (based on above Deans Marine hull, semi-scratch, 1:96) / HMS Mercury (1779) (Shipyard Models, Paper, 1:96) Previous builds: ἈΘΗΝΑ (Athena) (6th Century B.C.) Greek Bireme (Dusek, 1:72) / Zulu "Lady Isabella" (Vanguard Models, 1:64) / HMS Ethalion (1797) from HMS Diana (Caldercraft, 1:64) / HM Cutter Sherbourne (Caldercraft, 1:64) / Completed partially built Royal Yacht Caroline (Panart, 1:47) / HM Schooner Pickle (Caldercraft, 1:64) / M32, HMS Cottesmore MCMV (Sirmar / Fleetscale, Semi-scratch, 1:48) / D98, HMS York, Type 42 Destroyer (Dragon with White Ensign Photoetch, 1:700) / K166, HMCS Snowberry Flower Class Corvette (Revell, 1:72) / R97, HMS Grenville Fleet Destroyer (Deans Marine, 1:96) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Art of Age of Sail Posted January 5 Share #17 Posted January 5 On 1/4/2024 at 4:19 PM, ccoyle said: That is true. 1/48 does mean more materials and therefore most cost. The 1/64 scale Indy is pretty large for the average modeler's display needs, and 1/48 will of course take up even more space. That's one reason why I selected a 1/72 scale brigantine for my current project. The admiral is still not fully aware that I have started it. 😏 Yeah, you're right Chris. At the scale if 1.64 she'll be plenty big already, at 1/48 she would need a custom room built for her! "The admiral is still not fully aware that I have started it." - I assume you're referring to what I refer to as my "Supreme Commander"? LOL. ccoyle, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 5 Share #18 Posted January 5 21 minutes ago, The Art of Age of Sail said: I assume you're referring to what I refer to as my "Supreme Commander"? LOL That's correct! She knows I have started a new project, but she hasn't let on whether she comprehends exactly what it is. Every time I start something new, she usually comments on my lack of display space -- an issue I choose not to tackle head-on. 😁 The Art of Age of Sail, oakheart, Canute and 2 others 3 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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