HMS Victory by Yabuhebi (Chris) - Caldercraft - 1:72

[Landlubber Mike]

Looks great!  You're really flying along on this kit.  

[vossiewulf]

Good, sounds like Chuck helped you work out the kinks. 

 

As for the serving, I am using 14/0 fly-tying thread at 1:64 and it looks pretty good. I think you should be using something similar at 1:72. Take a look here for fly-tying thread. The specific one I am using is the Gordon Griffith's Sheer Ultrafine Thread.

 

Below is a thimble with fully served line as it's coming off my Syren machine.

 

 

[Yabuhebi]

5 hours ago, vossiewulf said:

Good, sounds like Chuck helped you work out the kinks. 

 

As for the serving, I am using 14/0 fly-tying thread at 1:64 and it looks pretty good. I think you should be using something similar at 1:72. Take a look here for fly-tying thread. The specific one I am using is the Gordon Griffith's Sheer Ultrafine Thread.

 

Below is a thimble with fully served line as it's coming off my Syren machine.

 

 

That actually looks great! 

 

I checked your profile, do you have more pics of your build...clearly, your skills are very good!

[vossiewulf]

34 minutes ago, Yabuhebi said:

That actually looks great! 

 

I checked your profile, do you have more pics of your build...clearly, your skills are very good!

 

Thanks Chris! I only have what's in my build log. I've just gotten started on the rigging so all I've done so far is experiment with the Syren machine in making two fully-served jibboom guys and some ancillary rigging like the guns and the anchors. I can report that it's possible to serve line with 14/0 fly tying thread and it looks good, but it's slow going considering how thin the thread is. I tried some 6/0 thread to see if it would go faster and it did, but I didn't like the final result as much. Your mileage may vary, buy several different brown and black threads in different sizes and experiment, see what you like best.

[SaltyScot]

This is truly a fantastic build. The Victory is a personal favorite of mine, always has been since I attempted the Airfix kit as a young boy. One day maybe....... The good thing is, I will have your build log to help me along if and when I do get round to it. A seriously good example of what she should look like. You have a new follower sir!

[Yabuhebi]

13 hours ago, vossiewulf said:

 

Thanks Chris! I only have what's in my build log. I've just gotten started on the rigging so all I've done so far is experiment with the Syren machine in making two fully-served jibboom guys and some ancillary rigging like the guns and the anchors. I can report that it's possible to serve line with 14/0 fly tying thread and it looks good, but it's slow going considering how thin the thread is. I tried some 6/0 thread to see if it would go faster and it did, but I didn't like the final result as much. Your mileage may vary, buy several different brown and black threads in different sizes and experiment, see what you like best.

 

Well!!! I just went through your build log. Your skill set is many levels above anything I will ever hope to get to.

Just head shaking how detailed your small scale work has been on the Lady Nelson. Well done. Having retired after 40 years working for the Teamsters, I know just how satisfying it is to be able to spend time doing the many things that took a back seat building a career.

 

It looks like you actually served ALL of the block stropping? Wow.

 

I took your advice and found some 14/0 fly thread. It should come by the end of next week and will try that.

I still have the 10,000 yards (lol) of the Gutermann thread and while that seems to fray and catch on any little thing, might be just as good.

[Yabuhebi]

13 hours ago, SaltyScot said:

This is truly a fantastic build. The Victory is a personal favorite of mine, always has been since I attempted the Airfix kit as a young boy. One day maybe....... The good thing is, I will have your build log to help me along if and when I do get round to it. A seriously good example of what she should look like. You have a new follower sir!

 

Thank you Mark.

 

I appreciate the kind remarks, my take on what I've done so far...well I am a bit more critical!!!

 

I'll keep plugging away and posting my sometimes sad efforts! Perhaps a more do as I hoped and not as I actually did!!!!!

[vossiewulf]

29 minutes ago, Yabuhebi said:

 

Well!!! I just went through your build log. Your skill set is many levels above anything I will ever hope to get to.

Just head shaking how detailed your small scale work has been on the Lady Nelson. Well done. Having retired after 40 years working for the Teamsters, I know just how satisfying it is to be able to spend time doing the many things that took a back seat building a career.

 

It looks like you actually served ALL of the block stropping? Wow.

 

I took your advice and found some 14/0 fly thread. It should come by the end of next week and will try that.

I still have the 10,000 yards (lol) of the Gutermann thread and while that seems to fray and catch on any little thing, might be just as good.

Thanks Chris, I appreciate the kind words  Keep in mind with thing like serving the stropping, I have like 500 fewer blocks to do than you do!

 

And yes I am definitely enjoying getting up every morning and going to my workshop instead of dealing with crisis number ten thousand for Visa. I wish I was as far along as you, I'm nowhere near taking on Victory yet.

 

Anyway, you're doing a great job with your Victory, keep it up  I will be watching to see how you do with the serving. 

[Yabuhebi]

Thanks to a LOT of great advice, I continued on and I am fairly happy with the results today.

 

I removed the pendants, the binding around the mast was too loose and they obviously were too low. I cut them away and redid them.

The end result actually turned out better. I still used my half *** homemade copper tubing thimbles, but they cleaned up nicely.

 

I did make a mistake when re-rigging them. The plans call for the pendants on the mizzen to be .5mm and I missed that and used the .75mm line.

Too late now! Hopefully weights and measures won't board the boat and find out!

 

 

After that, I had already served and installed the port/starboard #1 & 2 shrouds. So I moved on to the remaining lines. I believe all remaining shrouds needed to be served where they rest around the mast.

 

I was able to access the middle of each pair and when I attached the correct length line to the serving machine I used a little wire clip to mark the middle. Once secure, I served a few inches on either side.

 

 

While this line is very small, you can see the difference in the line after it's served.

 

The mizzen called for 3 pairs of shroud and the pendants. They actually laid down nicely and I am pleased that they look a lot like other builds. I didn't bother gluing these in place, I am not sure if once tensioned, they will be ok.

 

I then moved onto the main mast shrouds.

 

The plans call for all of the shrouds and pendants to be 1.3mm line. I had bought 1.3 from Rope of Scale and it looks just great. I used the same rope (in tan) for the cannon breach lines.

 

Tat being said, I used the kit line for the pendants. I want to be sure that I have enough for the main shrouds and stays.

 

This was the final result of serving the kit 1.3mm line. It looks pretty good.

 

 

After, I added my new wooden thimbles to these pendants and I think they look pretty good!

 

All because of the help, suggestions and encouragement from all of you!!!

 

 

 

Time for a break!

[vossiewulf]

Excellent progress Chris!

[Yabuhebi]

Ground out a few more for the main mast. I was able to get all of the shrouds and the swifter laid down.

 

As I've said, the Rope of Scale, which looks great on its own, has a pretty aggressive cabling look. So when I start to serve it, it almost looks like it is actually worming the rope. I had to really concentrate on the serving process to be sure it looked good.

 

You can see that some of the serving looks better than others.

 

That being said!!!!! I think the shrouds laid down very nicely and they look a lot like they are supposed to. I did make the jeer strops WAY too big, but that's life!

 

I am not sure right now if I'll install the jeer blocks or move on to the fore mast....try to keep to the theme of doing like things.

Then once done, go back and add the jeer block for the main and fore and the sling for the mizzen.

 

Once done, I think I'll move on to the various stays, then I'll complete the lower shrouds and begin work on the next level of shrouds.

[Yabuhebi]

I managed to get all the lower shrouds done. Looking at the picture dates, it looks like it was about a 5 day ordeal. Very labor intensive and hard on my back, hunched over the model. 

 

I need one of those hospital tables that I can slide over my lap!!!!!

 

I think that the shrouds laid nicely around the top of the mast for all three. 

 

After, I contemplated working on the jeers and other rigging tasks but I opted to continue with the deadeyes.

 

I tried to use wire to create a 20mm spacer and it kind of worked. In the end, I did the first one with the space and then the next three by eye. They came out ok, but it was tedious.

 

I used the wood backing that came with the photo etch and created a template to lay out the rest of the deadeyes. I cut out the cannons and interference on the chainplate platform. Using the first 4 deadeyes, I tried to create a line for the rest.

 

When it was said and done, they all laid fairly evenly. 

 

After, I cut the bitter ends and seized them. I think in reality, there are 3 seizings...the one just above where the deadeye is, the middle one and end one. Also, the bitter end is pulled down a bit to create an open bulge. I tried that, but it was difficult for me. I ended up putting 2 seizings and tried my best to create the bulge.

 

 

My only failure was trimming the bitter ends so they were even.  Clearly, the middle one is too high and it's possible I could cut away the seizing, trim it and re-seize it. I may do that. They others....I'm CA glue committed there!

 

Going over to the port side, I think I did a better job of laying out the jig.

The pencil line is parallel to the top of the hammocks behind it and the holes ON the line are my go to placement of deadeyes. The first 4 seem to be ok!

Practice makes perfect.

 

I do hope that I have laid the bitter ends on the correct side. I can't remember where I saw it or what book (if I did) where I read it.

I thought I read that on the starboard side, the ends face forward and on the port side they face aft. I hope that's right!!!!!

 

...cuz'... you know...I'm CA glue committed!

[Yabuhebi]

Since I had painted the lower deadeyes as part of assembling the chainplate platforms I had to paint the partner deadeyes.

 

I don't have enough pins and I'm not really sure if I wanted to pin 30+ large deadeyes and a multitude of the small ones. I also did not want to paint them with a brush because it would absolutely clog the holes. Air brushing at least is clean.

 

I tried stringing all the like deadeyes together on wire and painting them. It was a 70% success on the larger one, haven't looked at the smaller ones yet.

I will have to touch up some with a brush and then go over them to make sure they stay clog free.

[SaltyScot]

That is some fiddly work there Chris but it is coming along. We are all obviously very self critical of our work and that is what makes us strive for perfection. That being said, let us remember the words of Salvador Dali - "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it"   

[Yabuhebi]

Finished all of the lower shrouds. Using scrap wood, I was able to create rigging templates for the channels that helped to keep them consistent.

 

Once done, I wanted to take a stab at rigging some of the deadeyes. I managed to do 8 of them on the main mast, port side.

I have to research exactly how they're tied off when completed to be sure I did them correctly and I have to add the cleats prior to finishing them.

 

They will remain loose until all 6 sets of shrouds are strung up.

[Yabuhebi]

Spent about 5 hours today working on cleats and rigging shrouds. If I read the blueprints correctly, there are not any cleats on the main mast shrouds and just 5 each on the fore and mizzen. Looking at the directions and taking a hash count of the number of lines belayed to cleats on the channels and I think that is correct.

My first stab at putting the cleats up on the mizzen shrouds wasn't the best. They aren't aligned very well, but when they're blackened and the ratlines are installed, they'll fade into the back ground.

Also, from a scale point of view, I would think that the poop deck hammocks would be 3-4' tall with the average sailor then being in the 5'6" range. Some of my cleats are going to be WAY TOO HIGH!

I CA glued the cleats to the shrouds after first filing away any excess and filing the curved recess on the back to help with making them stick together.

It's funny, when gluing things if any little bit gets on the lines they stick right away. Except when I WANT to glue something like a cleat to a line....then it's hit or miss if they will stick!

Perhaps too many pictures below, but this really makes the boat come alive and I'm kind of excited about that!
My hope is to finish the last channel tomorrow and tighten them all up and hope that my layouts are going to allow for even deadeyes across the board!!!

[Moonbug]

Very diligent work. I like the innovative method for painting the deadeyes.

[SaltyScot]

She is coming together really well. Self criticism is a part of this hobby, it helps us improve  

[Yabuhebi]

23 hours ago, SaltyScot said:

She is coming together really well. Self criticism is a part of this hobby, it helps us improve  

 

On 1/26/2025 at 7:58 PM, Moonbug said:

Very diligent work. I like the innovative method for painting the deadeyes.

 

Thank you Mark and Bug!!! Much appreciated that you would stop by and take the time to comment. Means a lot!

[SaltyScot]

10 minutes ago, Yabuhebi said:

 

 

Thank you Mark and Bug!!! Much appreciated that you would stop by and take the time to comment. Means a lot!

 

It is well worth the visit, believe me!

[Yabuhebi]

So I looked through other builder pics and some live pics of Victory.

 

I found a few things. I can find pics of the main mast shrouds and one side doesn't show cleats, but the other side does. So I don't know. I opted to have no cleats on the main shrouds.

 

The cleats on the foremast are situated low on the shroud where the 'bow/bend/curve' is created. I had those wrong, they were way too high.

The cleats on the mizzen mast are high, so I'll leave them alone.

 

Thankfully, I had not tied the fore cleats down and I was able to removed them and CA glue them lower. Once done, I had to tie them off. Before adding the lanyards, it was a bit easier. Now I had to thread each one individually. 

 

Once done, I painted them all and they came out pretty good.

 

Tightening down the lanyards was a bit of a learning curve. I started with the foremast and was able to really cinch them down. The foremast is solidly in the deck and was not going to move. Perhaps more as you go higher up the mast, but the lower foremast is a rock.

 

I tried to get all the upper deadeyes even before securing the lanyards. I suppose I could have just tied them down so that if I had to alter them in the future I could, but my fear is that the environment would affect them if they weren't solidly glued in place.

 

The fore and main shrouds went fine. I did have some trouble with the mizzen shrouds.

 

Those deadeyes are much smaller and when I put any type or real torque on them to tighten them, I pulled the deadeye from the lower strop. They're just not as solid or beefy as the other larger deadeyes. I had to back off on these and hope for the best. I will be more careful on the other side.

 

 

When it is all said and done, it's pretty good. Yes the top foremast and t'gallant foremast are a bit raked to starboard, perhaps the upper shrouds will do their job!!!

 

So far, so good!

[Yabuhebi]

7 minutes ago, SaltyScot said:

 

It is well worth the visit, believe me!

I saw your wish list and looked up the Shackleton. I've loved any show or movie involving her and it looks like a cool model to try.

 

I have also been in love with the Bounty since I was 11 or 12 after reading the Mutiny on the Bounty. 

 

Of course, I really don't anywhere to put these models where they're done, so I don't know what I'm thinking!!!!! 

[Yabuhebi]

I finished installing all of the lower shrouds and their cleats.  I believe they are pretty even across the board.

 

After, I worked on installing the futtocks. It doesn't really say, but I believe they should be served, which I did.  To install, I used my calipers to measure from the top of the hand mast on each mast to the base of the platform. Then I took this measurement to estimate where the futtocks should be under the platform.

 

Once I had that position, I used small clothespins to hold them in place before tying them to the shroud. I tied the opposite end and then leveled them off before permanently securing them. Once I had all 6 done, I wen back and tied off all of the shrouds.

[Yabuhebi]

After this, I decided that before moving on to the catharpins, futtock shrouds and upper shrouds, that I would install the bowsprit and add all of the stays.

 

I think that because they are all in a center line down the boat, it will be easier to install them without a lot of shroud lines getting in the way.

 

The bowsprit requires 2 gammoning rigs to hold it in place. I was a bit nervous to do this. Number one, did I make the bowsprit right and number two, can I thread and lay down the gammons correctly?

 

I created an eye splice to hold the gammon in place, with the eye splice laying directly under the bowsprit.

 

I then added a bunch of CA glue to the other end of the gammon to create a stiff needle as others have done. To get an estimate of how much line I'd need, I wrapped the line around three fingers so that there were 10 loops on top...more than enough to do this.

 

From the port side, I fished the eye splice under the sprit and then threaded the 'needle' down through it. The hard part for both was navigating the internal structures down to where the gammon slots are.

 

Then threading back up and making sure that each pass laid smooth and correctly. AND....counting the loops to make sure I did nine!!!!

 

I know it said to use smaller thread to tie down the middle of the gammons but I used the extra from the gammon line and threaded around a few times and tied them off. They are really invisible....I know because I CANNOT see them on any other builds!

 

I do think that there might be a loose loop in one of them on the underside....sigh.

[Yabuhebi]

Working on the first stay, the main stay. It requires 1.8mm thread and the thread supplied with the kit is just terrible. I have seen others complain that it breaks under and stress. It did for me. It's fuzzy, unravels fast and is just plain ugly.

 

I also messed around creating a mouse. Longridge suggest drilling a hole through a pear shaped piece and then adding many lines of thread around the mouse and hole....almost like creating a magnetic field around it with string.

 

Then perhaps rig this to a serving machine and darn above and below each line to create the circumference lines. I tried that...eh.

 

It didn't go too well. I used some dowel, drilled a hole, cut the piece small and then tried to sand into a pear shape. It didn't look too good. 

 

For the stay, I tried to worm the rope all the way. Once that was done, I retied it so that I could serve the upper section. When doing this, the rope broke in the machine because it frayed where it goes into the serving machine. Ugh.

 

The worming went ok and the serving did too. Doesn't matter, I went to Rope of Scale and ordered 1.8mm GOOD rope!!! It'll be here in a week, and I'll be happier.

 

 

Finally, a question for someone.

The instructions call for the main stay collar to run through the marine walk (which I see) down through a hole in the stem.

Which I am not sure what or where that is....

 

 

Part #55 is the stem.

Is the hole they are talking about the one just above the 2 gammoning holes?

Which is pretty hard to see on other builds and will be a bear to get to!