AmateurModelBuilder Posted March 28 #1 Posted March 28 So I took advice from you guys and made a build log, so far I managed to build a stand because I still dont have the right tools for the ship, and I really dont want to mess it up. Anyways I dont have a waterline marker yet, so should I start building the keel or plank it first? Ryland Craze, JacquesCousteau, SiriusVoyager and 1 other 4 Quote
JacquesCousteau Posted March 28 #2 Posted March 28 Nice job on the stand, I'm looking forward to following along! Do the instructions say to mark the waterline so early on in the build because you'll be using it as a guide to attach a part? As for a waterline marker, if you search the site for "waterline" you'll see a lot of methods that people have set up waterline markers that may inspire you. Quote Current Builds: Lake Chapala Canoa de Rancho (1:32) [Scratch]; Lancha Chilota Coasting Sloop (1:32) [Scratch]; Completed Kit Builds: Model Shipways Dory (1:24); NRG Half-Hull Planking Kit (1:48); Midwest Maine Peapod (1:14) [Kit] Completed Scratch Builds: Xochimilco Trajinera (1:32); Juana y José Cross Section (1:32)
DonSangria Posted March 28 #3 Posted March 28 You can mark the waterline without a special waterline marker. Just fix the pencil on the rigth hight for example on a box or sanding block... JacquesCousteau 1 Quote Current build: HMS Sphinx 1:64 (Vanguard Models) Finished: HMS Beagle 1:60 (Occre)
AmateurModelBuilder Posted March 28 Author #4 Posted March 28 3 minutes ago, JacquesCousteau said: Do the instructions say to mark the waterline so early on in the build because you'll be using it as a guide to attach a part? I ve read the instrunctions, and they dont use the waterline as a guide, but the first page tells me to paint the part below the waterline with varnish. Quote
AmateurModelBuilder Posted March 29 Author #5 Posted March 29 (edited) Just started building the keel today, Ive followed the instructions and cut pieces to the picture, and when I assembled the keel there was this rather large hole on the stern of the ship. I didnt glue the together keel, and I need sugestions on how to fill that hole Edited March 29 by AmateurModelBuilder Thukydides, GrandpaPhil, JacquesCousteau and 1 other 4 Quote
Bob Fraser Posted March 29 #6 Posted March 29 Got to say, they don't give the best of instructions. I have the Cutty Sark under way and had to use a lot of filler and shaping to get the lines looking anywhere near right. (Stopped for now as life got in the way but will continue soon I hope.) Use the photo of the ship on the box front to see what you may need to do. Looks like a lot of filling and shaping to get the lines in the photo. Quote Bob Current build Cutty Sark, Mini Mamoli Finished King of the Mississippi No trees were harmed by this message, but an awful lot of electrons were put out.
Gregory Posted March 29 #7 Posted March 29 I’m guessing Mamoli is showing a simplified way to put strip wood together, expecting you to match the curved shape of the stern? Do you have a picture of the profile of the boat? Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
AmateurModelBuilder Posted March 29 Author #8 Posted March 29 16 minutes ago, Gregory said: Do you have a picture of the profile of the boat? This is the best I could do, the picture on the box doesnt show the whole keel. Quote
Gregory Posted March 29 #9 Posted March 29 I need to get to my drawing tools later, and I can show you what I think you need to do.. Bob Fraser 1 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
Gregory Posted March 29 #10 Posted March 29 What Mamoli is looking for you to do is trace out a pattern like I have made in red, then use strip wood pieced together like I have indicated in blue, where you would then trace the pattern to give you a shape to fit over the bow and stern without any gaps. You may want to use more pieces than they have shown in the instructions in order to easier make a curve. If this is still a problem for you and I may be able to put together a little demo with some wood. JacquesCousteau, Thukydides and Bob Fraser 3 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon
JacquesCousteau Posted March 30 #11 Posted March 30 Good luck with the keel! Is there a reason you made a new build log, though? Quote Current Builds: Lake Chapala Canoa de Rancho (1:32) [Scratch]; Lancha Chilota Coasting Sloop (1:32) [Scratch]; Completed Kit Builds: Model Shipways Dory (1:24); NRG Half-Hull Planking Kit (1:48); Midwest Maine Peapod (1:14) [Kit] Completed Scratch Builds: Xochimilco Trajinera (1:32); Juana y José Cross Section (1:32)
knightyo Posted March 30 #12 Posted March 30 Hello, Gregory was exactly right. Below is a photo of my mini-Mamoli Nina. The keel parts are glued into the pre-drilled groove all the way along the keel. Since the keel will be painted below the waterline, it doesn't really matter what pattern of pieces you cobble together down there as long as they are all snug in the groove, and against each other. It also helps to install pieces which stick out too far as well, so the entire keel/stem can be sanded down as one unit after the glue dries. Alan king derelict, JacquesCousteau, Ryland Craze and 4 others 7 Quote Alan's POB Build Log HMS Triton 1/64 Alan's POB Build Log USS Syren 1/64 Alan's Build Log Nina 1/106
AmateurModelBuilder Posted April 2 Author #13 Posted April 2 Its been a while since I posted but, I managed to build and sand the keel and plank the deck. As for those holes in the keel I filled them with scrap wood and just sanded it to fit in the groove, it may not look the best but couple coats of primer and paint will hide it. Now im wondering: do I varnish the deck first, and varnish should I use, because there are a lot of components that will be glued on the deck or do I continue building the ship and varnish the deck later? VTHokiEE, JacquesCousteau, GrandpaPhil and 5 others 8 Quote
ccoyle Posted April 2 #14 Posted April 2 Looks like you got the keel thing sorted out. Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
GrandpaPhil Posted April 2 #15 Posted April 2 If you use an acrylic sealant to clear coat the deck, PVA glue will stick to it. Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
AmateurModelBuilder Posted May 19 Author #16 Posted May 19 Deck and the sides are finally finished, I primed the hull and glued on all the strips that went on the bulwarks. So the first page of the instructions is finished, and now comes probably the most involved part of the kit, adding structures to the deck. JacquesCousteau 1 Quote
AmateurModelBuilder Posted May 19 Author #17 Posted May 19 Deck and the sides are finally finished, I primed the hull and glued on all the strips that went on the bulwarks. So the first page of the instructions is finished, and now comes probably the most involved part of the kit, adding structures to the deck. Quote
AmateurModelBuilder Posted May 19 Author #18 Posted May 19 I cant post any photos for now, because they fail to upload, but I will try later. JacquesCousteau 1 Quote
AmateurModelBuilder Posted July 14 Author #19 Posted July 14 The entire deck is finished, barrels are tied down, I glued down the cabin and storage openings, I painted the inside of bulwarks, and added the anchor. The paint on the hull is a bit messy because of the masking tape I used, but I think it looks alright, this is my first kit after all. Right now all its left is to make a rudder, the mast and connect the sail. Also I need some sugestions on which wood coating should I use since the wood for the whole sail rig is really light, and if I leave it like that its going to look ugly. JacquesCousteau, GrandpaPhil, SiriusVoyager and 2 others 5 Quote
SiriusVoyager Posted July 14 #20 Posted July 14 (edited) That is a nice looking little model. Good detail on the deck. As far as the wood covering, is your goal to darken the mast? Edited July 14 by SiriusVoyager Quote - Eric Drafting: Sultan Arab Dhow Finished: Norwegian Sailing Pram, Lowell Grand Banks Dory, Muscongus bay lobster smack, OcCre Palamos, San Francisco Cross Section
AmateurModelBuilder Posted July 15 Author #21 Posted July 15 11 hours ago, SiriusVoyager said: That is a nice looking little model. Good detail on the deck. As far as the wood covering, is your goal to darken the mast? Yes, the wood its made of is really light, and if I place it like that it will ruin the model, so I need to darken it. Quote
SiriusVoyager Posted July 15 #22 Posted July 15 I would say either buy a wood stain that you like or you can use thinned acrylic paint as a poor man’s stain. If you have burnt umber as a color that is a good place to start. You can mix colors as needed and find recipes online for different color mixtures. Once you get the color you like add equal parts water (or acrylic paint thinner depending on the paint) to the paint then treat it like any other stain. Apply it with a brush, let sit for 5-20 seconds, then wipe off with a paper towel. The longer you let it sit, the darker it will be. Make sure to test it on scrap first to ensure that you like how it looks. king derelict 1 Quote - Eric Drafting: Sultan Arab Dhow Finished: Norwegian Sailing Pram, Lowell Grand Banks Dory, Muscongus bay lobster smack, OcCre Palamos, San Francisco Cross Section
GrandpaPhil Posted July 22 #23 Posted July 22 I paint everything on my models. Then you can select the exact shade of brown that you would like. Quote Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
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