Q A's Revenge Posted January 19, 2014 #1 Posted January 19, 2014 25-30 years ago DIY stores here in the UK sold nothing but Ramin dowels unless you wanted a broom handle. Last week I happened to check out the wood stock in my local DIY store and all the dowel is made from Pine. So what happened to Ramin dowel, is it a "fashion" thing or something else? Don't need any, just asking ... :-) NMBROOK 1 Quote
Anja Posted January 19, 2014 #2 Posted January 19, 2014 Hello QA, Ramin dowels are still available. Ashford Model Supply Centre still sells them. http://www.ashfordmodel.co.uk/ramin-dowel-94-c.asp Anja NMBROOK 1 Quote Those we loved but lost are no longer where they were, but are always where we are. In the gallery: Albatros 1840 - Constructo
NMBROOK Posted January 20, 2014 #3 Posted January 20, 2014 I did wonder the same and then found out that ramin is on the endangered species list.I am suprised Anja found some,but it is no longer carried by the UK diy stores I visit. Kind Regards Nigel Q A's Revenge 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
demonborger Posted January 20, 2014 #4 Posted January 20, 2014 Really? The white wood supplied in Occre kits is referred to as Ramin, and Artesania Latina also has ramin stips. Quote Kits owned: Mamoli Royal Louis, Mamoli Friesland, Mamoli HMS Victory 1:90, Occre Santisima Trinidad, Constructo HMS Prince
CaptCraig Posted January 20, 2014 #5 Posted January 20, 2014 Everybody loves Ramin... My King of the Mississippi from Artesania Latina includes some Ramin lumber. I was wondering if I need more, if I would be able to find some. Now I know I will have tp look around a little. Quote -Craig It's never too late to turn the tide... Current Build- King of the Mississippi- Artesania Latina- 1:80 Scale
mtaylor Posted January 20, 2014 #6 Posted January 20, 2014 Those "ramin" strips in the kits may or may not be true ramin. Some of the kit makers have used a wood different from what they call it. avsjerome2003, CaptCraig and NMBROOK 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
NMBROOK Posted January 20, 2014 #7 Posted January 20, 2014 I have to agree with Mark,kit manufacturers can be creative with the truth when it comes to wood.Even though it is classed as an endangered species does not mean it is completely unavailable,just means DIY stores can't sell it by the ton.They start selling a substitute,pine,mmmmmm Kind Regards Nigel Q A's Revenge 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
Nirvana Posted January 20, 2014 #8 Posted January 20, 2014 Yes and hmm, my Billings kit of Danmark (limited version) is supposed to use ramin for hull planking. That's at least to their material list. According to a site handling wood there are 30+ species of this wood, many of them are "farm raised". Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
NMBROOK Posted January 20, 2014 #9 Posted January 20, 2014 Yes and hmm, my Billings kit of Danmark (limited version) is supposed to use ramin for hull planking. That's at least to their material list. According to a site handling wood there are 30+ species of this wood, many of them are "farm raised". Interesting Dr Per,Billings always used to list their hull planking as Obeche which is quite different from the rock hard ramin that the DIY stores used to sell in the UK Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
Q A's Revenge Posted January 20, 2014 Author #10 Posted January 20, 2014 Thanks for your answers folks. After a quick search it seems most model shops still stock Ramin dowel, it's just not something I can pick up at the DIY store any more! Quote
Nirvana Posted January 20, 2014 #11 Posted January 20, 2014 Interesting Dr Per,Billings always used to list their hull planking as Obeche which is quite different from the rock hard ramin that the DIY stores used to sell in the UK Kind Regards Nigel Nigel, it certainly is rock hard, wish it came with Obeche especially for the curve around the stern. But as this one still awaits to be built I have plenty of time changing the planking material. Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
normanh Posted January 20, 2014 #12 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) Ramin is regarded as a protected species depending on its country of origin and is listed on CITES http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonystylus Importation into the EU or US can lead to stiff fines and or prison in the US. or EU UK would be subject to the EUTR Regs or the Lacey Act in the US. The consequences on the importer for illegal logged timber entering the supply chain is likely to result in series legal implications - fines and or prison in the US. I dont think there is much FSC certified timber around which can demonstrate sustainable timber through certification in the supply chain - known as chain of custody. Norman Edited January 20, 2014 by normanh Quote Norman Current build Trumpeter Arizona 1:200 with White Ensign PE and a Nautilus Wooden Deck. Built Caldercraft Convulsion, HM Brig Badger and HMS Snake. Awaiting - Zvelda HMS Dreadnought planning to get the Pontos Deck and PE Upgrades, Panart 1:23 Gun deck model and couple of the cannon kits Manatu - French siege mortar, and American coastal cannon.
Ulises Victoria Posted January 21, 2014 #13 Posted January 21, 2014 My guess is that manufacturers may start using ramin in their kits and labeled it so. Then when the wood became scarce, they just changed the wood without incurring in the expense to change the wood description in the already made kits. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
Zeekodadi Posted April 28, 2014 #14 Posted April 28, 2014 Ramin is basicly anigre i did a little research because i have an old kit from Artesania Latina and was looking for the same wood that came with it basically from research ramin is also known as anigre with you can find all day on ebay hope this wasn't too late Quote
rafterrat_2005 Posted May 8, 2014 #15 Posted May 8, 2014 The old saying goes "What they don't know won't hurt" or want in one hand and $hit in the other and see which fills up the quickest. I believe that's what the manufactures are saying. Sorry - had to say it. Quote
grsjax Posted May 8, 2014 #16 Posted May 8, 2014 Probably all made into ramin noodles. jbshan 1 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them.
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