Jimz66 Posted July 9, 2015 Share #211 Posted July 9, 2015 WOW Nice work Sal... Looking forward to your further progress. _SalD_ and GLakie 2 Quote Current/But Not immediate Build Logs I am still gathering the tools I need but starting preliminary work. Nothing to show just yet. Fair American Armed Virginia Sloop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gahm Posted July 10, 2015 Share #212 Posted July 10, 2015 Well done, Sal! It's really looking good! Thomas GLakie and _SalD_ 2 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share #213 Posted July 13, 2015 Thanks Jim and Thomas, and for all the likes. GLakie 1 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 13, 2015 Author Share #214 Posted July 13, 2015 After reviewing a number of build logs here on MSW, I decided to assemble the middle rail a little differently than how it was shown in the instructions. Instead of starting with the number ‘1’ piece of the middle rail I decided to temporarily set the number ‘2’ piece in position. To hold the piece in place I drilled a small hole through the lower part of the rail and into the hull, similar to what I did for the upper rail, so I could insert an eye bolt into it. The upper portion was held by the notch in the cap rail and sheer plank. Now with piece 2 in place I was better able to position the number 1 piece. After piece 1 was tapered and shorten to fit between the cheeks and piece 2, I thought the only way I would get a smooth transition between the two pieces would be to glue them together, before they were glued on the ship. So with piece 2 just pinned in position I carefully glued piece 1 to it with a drop of CA glue, holding it in position until it set. I used an abrasive buff on my dremel to sand the pieces down to their final shape being careful not to exert too much pressure near the seam. Before After The last thing I did before gluing the piece to the ship was to carve the groove and to stain it. The piece was then glued on the ship and like the upper rail I used a shorter pin in place of the eye bolt to help secure it to the hull. I worked on both the port and starboard rails at the same time which helped to make sure they were symmetrical about the knee. In retrospect I’m glad I glued the two pieces together because I was able to get a nice transition between the two parts. The only thing I don’t like is where the two pieces are joined together. I think by using CA glue it didn’t stain well so you can see the seam between the two pieces. Now I need to work on the hanging knee (piece 3). Gahm, Ryland Craze, GLakie and 9 others 12 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimz66 Posted July 13, 2015 Share #215 Posted July 13, 2015 Nice work Sal. Keep it going. GLakie and _SalD_ 2 Quote Current/But Not immediate Build Logs I am still gathering the tools I need but starting preliminary work. Nothing to show just yet. Fair American Armed Virginia Sloop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 13, 2015 Share #216 Posted July 13, 2015 Nice job on those head-rails Sal! _SalD_ 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 13, 2015 Share #217 Posted July 13, 2015 P/S look identical......well done! GLakie, Canute and _SalD_ 3 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gahm Posted July 14, 2015 Share #218 Posted July 14, 2015 Your head rail is coming together very nicely! The middle rail is clearly one of the more challenging parts, and yours looks very good! Thomas GLakie, WackoWolf, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtropp Posted July 15, 2015 Share #219 Posted July 15, 2015 very nice, Great work Richard. _SalD_ and GLakie 2 Quote RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share #220 Posted July 15, 2015 Jim, George, Augie, Thomas and Richard thank you so much for the kind words, it's much appreciated. And thanks to all for the likes. GLakie 1 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share #221 Posted July 20, 2015 Head timbers, the little pieces of wood placed between the head rails, ! These little pieces almost cause me to put this ship on the shelf. After making a dozen or so pieces that went to scrap heap I finally came up with a solution that worked for me. For my first few failed attempts I tried to make the pieces fit perfectly between the rails. I found, however, that with these pieces being so small and having more angles than my crown molding, just a little too much sanding and the whole piece was no good. What I finally did was to cut and sand the pieces to a rough shape that fit between the rails. Next I glued the pieces in position using white glue to give me time to move them around. Once the glue was set I did the final shaping of the pieces in place. I did one set of head timbers at a time and tried to position them as shown in the manual. Since I needed to sand the pieces in place I did not apply any stain or finish to them until after they were all installed. One big help in understanding how these pieces were placed, and I'd like to thank him for it, was a sketch made by Thomas (Gahm). http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/465-us-brig-syren-by-gahm-model-shipways/?p=185267. Great help Thomas, thanks. Starboard side finished Port side in place, not sanded Port side sanded To sand the pieces in place I didn’t make such elaborate sanding sticks as Thomas did but cut up an emery board to make some custom sanding shapes. Since I was pleased with the way the head timbers came out I figured I’d keep going and finish the top rails. These pieces were done as described in the manual and were somewhat anticlimactic after the other rails and head timbers, but I’m not complaining. The bumpkins were also made but not installed at this time for two reasons. One, after reading Chuck’s original build log for the Syren, he recommended leaving them off until after rigging the gammoning for the bowsprit and secondly, I’m not exactly sure where these pieces are mounted to the hull. I'm thinking that end of the bumpkin goes below the sheer stake and aft of the lower eye bolt that's mounted to the hull. If anyone can enlighten me I’d appreciate it. Jason, Canute, MD11pilot and 12 others 15 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimz66 Posted July 20, 2015 Share #222 Posted July 20, 2015 Great job Sal. Keep it going. Looking really nice. GLakie and _SalD_ 2 Quote Current/But Not immediate Build Logs I am still gathering the tools I need but starting preliminary work. Nothing to show just yet. Fair American Armed Virginia Sloop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share #223 Posted July 20, 2015 Hahaha, yes these head timber sux big times ... I hated them. Dirk Thanks Dirk, and you're so right, they sucked big time. Thanks Jim, can't wait until you start yours. GLakie 1 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gahm Posted July 20, 2015 Share #224 Posted July 20, 2015 Sal, you did an excellent job on your head rail! Beautiful work! Thomas Canute, GLakie and _SalD_ 3 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 20, 2015 Share #225 Posted July 20, 2015 Came out terrifically. Well worth the effort! Canute, _SalD_ and GLakie 3 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 20, 2015 Author Share #226 Posted July 20, 2015 Thanks Thomas, your build log was a great help. Thanks as always Augie. GLakie 1 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted July 20, 2015 Share #227 Posted July 20, 2015 Splendid work on those difficult head-rails Sal. She looks great. _SalD_ 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtropp Posted July 21, 2015 Share #228 Posted July 21, 2015 Very nice Sal, I am just starting those and being able to look ahead is really helpful. Richard GLakie and _SalD_ 2 Quote RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD11pilot Posted July 21, 2015 Share #229 Posted July 21, 2015 I love building logs that show the actual techniques and tools used to perform difficult operations instead of just the final outcome. Thanks for the great ideas and nicely done! Canute, GLakie and _SalD_ 3 Quote Eric O.<p>Current Build: US Brig Syren, kit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted July 21, 2015 Share #230 Posted July 21, 2015 Very nice work on the head rails. Canute, _SalD_ and GLakie 3 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 21, 2015 Author Share #231 Posted July 21, 2015 George, Richard, Eric, Brian, thank you all for the nice compliments. Richard, just take your time and if you have any questions feel free to ask. Eric, I like those kind of logs myself that's why I try to explain what I've done but without getting too long winded. Thanks for all the likes also. Canute and GLakie 2 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gundorph Posted July 31, 2015 Share #232 Posted July 31, 2015 Great work... Very nice build so far... Thats gonna be my next ship in the yard... will follow with big interest... GLakie 1 Quote Current Build: U.S. Brig Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share #233 Posted July 31, 2015 Thanks Gundorph, the Syren is an excellent kit you should enjoy building her. Gundorph and GLakie 2 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share #234 Posted August 3, 2015 Not much to show for this update, I’ve been getting all the parts ready to install along the inward bulwarks plus the Admiral bought a new washer & dryer so I needed to paint the laundry room. I cut most of the pin rails out of 1/16 x 1/8 basswood strips and used a 1/16 x 1/4 strip for the ones along the curved bow. Added pins to help secure them to the bulwarks and cut out the drawing showing the pin rails to use them as templates to locate the holes for the belaying pins. I tried to file the cleats down to get them a little more scale appropriate but they are very hard to hold onto. I also added pins to the back of each cleat. Cut out the swivel brackets from the laser cut sheet and gave everything a couple coats of paint before I install them. I still need to make all the split rings. Dubz, GaryKap, Gundorph and 9 others 12 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted August 3, 2015 Share #235 Posted August 3, 2015 The time you are spending pinning the rails and cleats has been well spent and will prove itself during rigging. Use the same process for the channels. Looking good. GLakie, GaryKap, JesseLee and 1 other 4 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted August 3, 2015 Share #236 Posted August 3, 2015 What Augie said Sal! Looking good! Canute 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share #237 Posted August 3, 2015 Thanks George and Augie. I realize the pins are a good idea to help hold everything in place, now I have to start drill all the holes. GLakie 1 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usedtosail Posted August 3, 2015 Share #238 Posted August 3, 2015 Sal, try using a hemostat to hold the cleats while you file them. It works pretty well for me, anyway. augie, _SalD_ and GLakie 3 Quote - Tom - Current Build: Vanguard Speedy Completed: Vanguard Duchess of Kingston, Stove Project, Ships Wheel Project, NRG Capstan Project, Billings Half Moon, Dumas Chris Craft 1938 27' Triple Cockpit Barrel Back, Panart Santa Lucia , Model Shipways Constitution , MS Bounty Launch , HMS Beagle Member: Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainscott Posted August 3, 2015 Share #239 Posted August 3, 2015 Wow ! Great work, it's going to be sweet. GLakie and _SalD_ 2 Quote Working on : Shrimpboat Built: Bounty Launch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_SalD_ Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share #240 Posted August 4, 2015 Sal, try using a hemostat to hold the cleats while you file them. It works pretty well for me, anyway. Hemostat, duh,.. I have one of those too and just didn't think of it, thanks Tom. Thanks captainscott for looking in and the kind words and thank you all for all the likes. GLakie and Canute 2 Quote Sal Nautical Research Guild Current USCG Harriet Lane - Model Shipways Complete U.S. Brig Syren - Model Shipways New York Pilot Boat 'Phantom' 1868 - Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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